Trump's Gift to Canadians in Celebration for the US Independence Day

[jone]

Trump today offered to reopen the Oregon treaty of 1846 which delimited the 48th parallel as the border between the US and Canada on the West Coast.  In his 4th of July offering, Trump maintained through Twitter that such a treaty was the result of coercion and that if the true feelings of those living South of the 54th parallel were known, they great majority would choose to live in the United States and not be subject to the British Commonwealth.  Trump further asserted that the recent tariffs enacted by Canada is proof that Canada is not a good neighbor and the US would be better served  by offering US citizenship to Canadians rather than the unabated flow of traffic up through Mexico.  Republicans were thought to be drawing up a proposed new map adding in six new states on the former Northern US Border.  The Democrats, on the other hand, were upset that Trump would not consider states carved from the border with Mexico.

[msmob]

A 'bad neighbour' ... along with Japan, 28 EU nations, India, China...    penny dropping, Jone  - as to who is the REAL problem ?

[DaveNY]

Trump today offered to reopen the Oregon treaty of 1846 which delimited the 48th parallel as the border between the US and Canada on the West Coast.  In his 4th of July offering, Trump maintained through Twitter that such a treaty was the result of coercion and that if the true feelings of those living South of the 54th parallel were known, they great majority would choose to live in the United States and not be subject to the British Commonwealth.  Trump further asserted that the recent tariffs enacted by Canada is proof that Canada is not a good neighbor and the US would be better served  by offering US citizenship to Canadians rather than the unabated flow of traffic up through Mexico.  Republicans were thought to be drawing up a proposed new map adding in six new states on the former Northern US Border.  The Democrats, on the other hand, were upset that Trump would not consider states carved from the border with Mexico.

Jone if you want to make your story more believable you need a few corrections. First the border between the US and Canada in the west is the 49th parallel not the 48th parallel. That's 70 miles of US territory you just ceded to Canada.

Also July 1 is Canada's independence day. You should probably note that in your story. When you reference the 54th parallel are you referring to the Oregon boundary dispute and the phrase '54 40 or fight'?

The Oregon boundary dispute happened in the 1840s between the US, UK with some involvement with Russia who at the time owned Alaska. Some American politicians wanted the US to annex what would be today most of the Canadian province of British Columbia up to 54 degrees 40 minutes North. How far east this went was debatable. Some historians say this would have included much of the Canadian province of Alberta at a minimum. Perhaps even farther east.

At the time we Americans were developing a philosophy called Manifest Destiny. Manifest Destiny was an American political philosophy from the earth 19th century that stated America was destined by God to have the entire American continent. Meaning all of present day America, Canada and probably Mexico.

Even today some in the US still believe this. Of course there are also still Mexicans who believe Mexico got scr*wed over by losing much of the American southwest to the US in the 19th century. These Mexicans feel it is their right to live in the US without any need for US citizenship or other such documentation. 


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oregon_boundary_dispute
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manifest_destiny

[Boethius]

Also July 1 is Canada's independence day.

July 1 is the date Canada was formed. It wasn’t really “independent” at that time.

[jone]

Dave,

You knew someone was gonna bite.  Moby is so predictable.  I purposely put in the 48th to see who would actually look things up.

My point being that everyone believes everything bad about Trump because they are conditioned to. 

As for Manifest Destiny, ole Jim Polk was my favorite President.  He did what he said he was gonna do and made no excuses for when things didn't happen correctly.  He purposely did not run for re-election, although easily would have won, because he said he would not run for a second term when he campaigned for the first one.

His take on the border with Canada was motivated by a desire to resolve the Pacific Southwest, which he did in his Presidency.   He resolved the Canadian border issue and I think the US has done well with the territory he secured.  Having been to BC many times, both to ski and for sporting events, I can say that Canada is one of my two favorite countries in the world. 

[DaveNY]

Dave,

You knew someone was gonna bite.  Moby is so predictable.  I purposely put in the 48th to see who would actually look things up.

My point being that everyone believes everything bad about Trump because they are conditioned to. 

As for Manifest Destiny, ole Jim Polk was my favorite President.  He did what he said he was gonna do and made no excuses for when things didn't happen correctly.  He purposely did not run for re-election, although easily would have won, because he said he would not run for a second term when he campaigned for the first one.

His take on the border with Canada was motivated by a desire to resolve the Pacific Southwest, which he did in his Presidency.   He resolved the Canadian border issue and I think the US has done well with the territory he secured.  Having been to BC many times, both to ski and for sporting events, I can say that Canada is one of my two favorite countries in the world.

I knew about the 49th parallel, the Oregon boundary dispute and Manifest Destiny because of an American History prof from my university days. Professor Bill or simply Bill was over 70 and still teaching. He was born sometime in the 1890s and taught about America history from its founding to modern day 1970s.

He told stories of his relatives fighting for different sides during the Civil War and what life was like in the 1850s and later in the south. He showed the class dozens of family photos. Several photos in particular were of a family gathering from just after the Civil War. Some men still wearing their military uniforms, Union and Confederates.  At the time I didn't even know they had cameras back in the 1860s.

[krimster2]

"At the time I didn't even know they had cameras back in the 1860s. "

so you never saw a civil war photo or photograph of Lincoln?
or if you did, couldn't make an inference that a picture requires a camera
you never heard of Mathew Brady?

I made a pinhole daguerreotype camera
out of a shoe box when I was 10 yr old
1840 level technology - exposure time 10 min
making porn with this camera was difficult
but the sepia images created a nice ambiance

[DaveNY]

"At the time I didn't even know they had cameras back in the 1860s. "

so you never saw a civil war photo or photograph of Lincoln?

Saw pictures of Lincoln and Civil War era battlefields, etc. I probably thought they were paintings. There were many paintings from that era that were deliberately life like. Made to look like photos. Remember I started university in the late 1960s and went through the early 1970s. My parents' Brownie camera was primitive by today's standards and the photos were often terrible. Some of the Civil War era photos my prof showed us were better quality than my mom's photos

   
or if you did, couldn't make an inference that a picture requires a camera
you never heard of Mathew Brady?

Haven't heard of Brady even today. I sort of knew there were big clunky cameras on tripods with some type of flash apparatus in the 1800s but I thought that happened after the Civil War. I had seen photos of Alexander Graham Bell and the Statue of Liberty from the 1880s but to see these photos from the 1870s, 1860s was a surprise. I think the surprise was that they were so good.

Not fuzzy. Not out of focus. There was no problems recognizing each person. Whomever took the photos from that time was obviously trained and experienced.

[msmob]

My point being that everyone believes everything bad about Trump because they are conditioned to. 

Jone, please do not confuse your mindset with 'us' who observe  'Trampu' ( policies and actions) and could (easily) spot your Emporer was wearing no clothes'

As to what is predictable is your 'excuses' for posting yet another howler....

[Boethius]

The sad thing about this thread is that the fabrication is not particularly far fetched with Trump's stream of consciousness twitters.