Charm date

[YNTTK]

I’ve been looking for love in a site called Charm Date and got to the stage where I  think it’s all a scam.
I’ve spent over £2k following my dream of a lovely lady but just seems to be money after money reading letters and receiving photos etc.
What do you suggest I go to find a site that’s genuine?
I’m 57… pretty wealthy and looking for genuine love.B
🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿Thanks in advance from Bonnie Scotland🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

[2tallbill]

I’ve been looking for love in a site called Charm Date and got to the stage where I  think it’s all a scam.
I’ve spent over £2k following my dream of a lovely lady but just seems to be money after money reading letters and receiving photos etc.
What do you suggest I go to find a site that’s genuine?
I’m 57… pretty wealthy and looking for genuine love.B
🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿Thanks in advance from Bonnie Scotland🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

You're in luck! You've found this forum and can be off and chasing Devushka's
around the FSU in short order.

You need to do a little bit of research/homework to familiarize yourself with
how to get started. I recommend reading a some threads

RWD 'Ten Commandments'
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=1740.0


Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=14615.0


Men of the West - Women From the East The free ebook is slightly
outdated but it's got good information in it.
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?action=ezportal;sa=page;p=47


Trippin in St Pete This my journey
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=3432.0

As you read, you will have questions so you can either use the search
function or you can come back here to this thread and ask it. When you
ask a question or for advice you will get lots of answers. Some of them
will be very useful and some of them will be more dubious in value and
irritating in the tone.

Whatever you do, don't get offended. Free advice is worth exactly what
you pay for it. Your job is to sift though the advice and use whatever
you think is helpful for you, your personality and your goals and ignore
the rest.

Udachi! (means good luck in Russian)

Bill

[Davo]

Welcome,

Charmdate is another of the 20 or so PPL sites I joined as a non paying member and was pretty typical...... I received many messages from women way too young and attractive to be interested in a 40+ man, but as we all know as we gain experience, the messages are written by paid employees, even men in a lot of cases!! 

A good place to start is fdating.... It’s free and in my experience if you’re realistic there are lots of genuine women to meet, just don’t expect to find stunning models like you find on PPL sites. If you message women who are age appropriate..... 45+, then you’ll have an enjoyable and “real” FSU online dating experience.

Briefly when using sites like I mentioned forget everything you’ve experienced on Charmdate. You’re the man so you have to make the first move..... Generally if a woman messaged you first she’s an email scammer ( they are easy to identify), or she has 3 or more children or she’s overly unattractive. Where email and PPL scammers are overly affectionate, real women are usually cautious until get to know and trust you. PPL “women” (letter writers)  like you’ve met will keep you on the PPL site as long as they can as it’s how they earn their wage. Email scammers are the opposite and almost immediately want to chat via email and have every excuse under the sun not to call or video chat, as most use stolen profile pictures. Some don’t and will move you to what’s app and call once or twice to gain trust, but inevitably the request for money will come.

Real women usually take anywhere from a day to a week to trust you and if they like you will ask to chat on WhatsApp, Viber, Skype etc... , if you haven’t moved them off the site first. Until then she may not show much emotion and be sparing with intimate details about her and her life.  Usually she’ll want to video chat immediately and then if she likes what she sees, she’ll  share her life via pictures, videos and continuing weekly (or even daily) calls / video chat. Regular video chat and calling is your first most important scam check and for her it’s important too, to see you’re serious and really who you say you are.

To give you an idea of what to expect from a woman who genuinely likes you..... The women I’ve spent the most time with online, sent me over 1000, pictures of her and her life. We spent hundreds of hours video chatting and that included her live streaming her everyday life in her city and showing me the sights. We would often message each other 8-12 hours a day and very quickly it added upto over 100,000 individual messages before we met in real life....  I’m not saying you need to see this extent of contact, but you want to see similar behavior before getting on a plane, especially if you’re a write one visit one man (VOVO)

Apart from time, it cost me $0 during the online dating period and I met countless genuine women. Another option is dmnotify that has a basic monthly subscription fee. Watch out for email scammers and it’s set up so you can share contact details and leave the site for free too.


Good luck

[ML]

she’s overly unattractive.

An interesting descriptive concept.

[Trenchcoat]

I’ve been looking for love in a site called Charm Date and got to the stage where I  think it’s all a scam.
I’ve spent over £2k following my dream of a lovely lady but just seems to be money after money reading letters and receiving photos etc.
What do you suggest I go to find a site that’s genuine?
I’m 57… pretty wealthy and looking for genuine love.B
🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿Thanks in advance from Bonnie Scotland🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

 

If you've spent £2k just in letter writing then you've been scammed. As Davo has said Fdating.com is the place to go, they have all countries on there to date from though mostly it is FSU women. Fdate is a good place for a beginner as there is no bs as it's an entirely free site paid for by ads so no profit motive. Possibly the odd profile might pop up asking for you to send money or move onto a ppl (pay per letter) site as you've been on, if so ignore and message another girl. Most girls on there are genuine and do their own profile, not all will be interested but better to be in the real world than a fake scammers world.

Good luck!

[ML]

I haven't looked at dating websites for years.
But wanted to take a brief view of fdating since it has been highly touted here.

I put in my parameters and was quite surprised that there were more women in Ukraine who met those parameters than was my experience 12 or more years ago when I was in my search.

So it seems like the 'pickings' are better now than ever.

However, one serious drawback to the fdating search parameters was there was no ability to put in a region or city within Ukraine.
Thus, for sure my population of possibilities would be greatly shrunken when a specific city was part of the screening. 

And it is idiotic to try to  cover multiple cities on a WMVM trip.

[Davo]

I haven't looked at dating websites for years.
But wanted to take a brief view of fdating since it has been highly touted here.

I put in my parameters and was quite surprised that there were more women in Ukraine who met those parameters than was my experience 12 or more years ago when I was in my search.

So it seems like the 'pickings' are better now than ever.

However, one serious drawback to the fdating search parameters was there was no ability to put in a region or city within Ukraine.
Thus, for sure my population of possibilities would be greatly shrunken when a specific city was part of the screening. 

And it is idiotic to try to  cover multiple cities on a WMVM trip.

Hey ML, if you enter search through the icon indicated it gives you a lot more search options, including the one you seek.

I always thought you old timers had it better back in the day, but it’s good to hear that maybe I was wrong. Fdating has never failed me...... Spend a week on there and you leave for WhatsApp with more women than you know what to do with )))

[Davo]

An interesting descriptive concept.

What it relates to is not just physical unattractiveness, but her overall choices in attracting a man..... Lets say an over weight woman in a short denim mini skirt, riding a lion statue like a cowboy 😂

All jokes aside, this is an actual Russian woman’s main profile picture!!!..... At least you know she’s probably up for reverse cowgirl in bed )))

[Trenchcoat]

I haven't looked at dating websites for years.
But wanted to take a brief view of fdating since it has been highly touted here.

I put in my parameters and was quite surprised that there were more women in Ukraine who met those parameters than was my experience 12 or more years ago when I was in my search.

So it seems like the 'pickings' are better now than ever.

However, one serious drawback to the fdating search parameters was there was no ability to put in a region or city within Ukraine.
Thus, for sure my population of possibilities would be greatly shrunken when a specific city was part of the screening. 

And it is idiotic to try to  cover multiple cities on a WMVM trip.

As said if you do the advanced search by going up to the corner of the screen and clicking search on the list menu you can limit it down to region and if you like city. The main thing to bear in mind either way is that only the girls that have been on there in the last day or two are likely to be worth messaging. The longer a girl had not checked in there the more likely she is no longer interested. Some will have ticked the option to let them be notified by email of any new messages but most probably have turned this feature off to avoid their email being bombarded with notifications. Hence the number of girls that are likely to be available at the given moment in time to communicate with is fairly small. Then on top of that is those that bother to write back etc.

So for write many, visit many to work you either need to be aiming for a mega huge city like Moscow for it to work or a number of cities. In my opinion Moscow is the only city it is likely to work in with enough of a population in terms of writing to women on dating sites. A number of cities to make up the equivalent of Moscow might be possible but then would either entail the guy dashing around between cities possibly not that practical or bussing them into a city like Kiev for their interviews lol.

[2tallbill]

So for write many, visit many to work you either need to ................. blah, blah, blah

You are like a virgin who claims to have mastered 100 ways to satisfy a woman.

[2tallbill]

🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿Thanks in advance from Bonnie Scotland🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

Are you going to be a one post wonder?

[Trenchcoat]

Are you going to be a one post wonder?

Think most unfortunately seem to be Bill. A lot we point in the right direction away from scam sites but they seem to think that's all that's to it. Even on the non-scam sites it's not a straight forward issue unless the guy gets lucky. Not talking so much about the odd fake/scam profile here but all the other issues cultural and otherwise. For me you guys have helped me out immensely and although I have not yet got a solid result I have learnt a lot from you all and know a lot more around FSU dating than I otherwise would.

For any newbie I would recommend hanging around here a while, asking lots of questions. The guts on this forum have a lot of deep knowledge on FSU dating and have been there and through it all. Many mistakes can be made otherwise and potentially good relationships be unsuccessful as a result of poor knowledge of how culture and dating are out in the FSU. Finding out before hand rather than after is invaluable in FSU dating in my opinion.

[Trenchcoat]

You are like a virgin who claims to have mastered 100 ways to satisfy a woman.

Lol, now that's a bit harsh Bill. Admittedly I struggle along the way at dating in the FSU but I have learnt a lot and I've been through a fair bit in some aspects of FSU dating even if it is lacking in success stories I've had a bit of uptake here and there.

Fdate is one website I have spent a fair time on. I would say that while it's free and a good place for Newbies to start it can be a little oversubscribed with guys as a result. Reading some of the profile descriptions and messaging with the ladies I get the impression a fair few of the ladies get weary of all the writing too and fro not knowing which if the many guys that message them might write back.

So while I would suggest that OP heads there first I think some of the pay monthly subscription sites are probably worth a go also.

[2tallbill]

Lol, now that's a bit harsh Bill.

How many WMVM trips have you been on?

[Trenchcoat]

How many WMVM trips have you been on?

I've been on one to Lviv during which I met two women. Ok not the many hoped for as under the 'meet many' title but still technically more the meet one

To recap, the first one smoke and wanted more for the taxi fare home than it would have been. The second one I was getting on good with but I kind of stuffed it up saying the wrong thing - that was down to not being as up on FSU dating culture as I should of been. That's what OP needs to learn unless he gets lucky or is a natural as far as I see it anyway.

[ML]

. . . but I kind of stuffed it up saying the wrong thing . . .

I have never before heard of a man saying the wrong thing to a woman.

[Hammer2722]

Are you going to be a one post wonder?

Sometimes these guys just don't want to give up on the fantasy of a 21YO really showing interest in them......