Tours and marriage agencies.

[retired_army_ranger]

There is a guy in Odessa who went on 5 tours at about $3500.00 each.   He never found a woman that way.  He was in Odessa walking down a street and met a young lady.   That was one year ago.  They are still together running a MARRIAGE AGENCY.

I meet women in Odessa every day.  Some have registered on agency sites.  Most have not.  I have the advantage of being able to live here and that is a big help.  But, I have not met "gold diggers".  I've met some very nice hard working ladies from age 26 to 38.

I've looked at some of the agency sites and the women on most seem to be very beautiful, educated, and genuine.  Of course, perception can be wrong.

On any day, you can walk down the main streets of Odessa and see girls who could be models.  My advice, don't go to a marriage agency.  Just take a long vacation if you can afford it and live in one of these countries for about a month.  A one month vacation would cost about the same as one of those tours that suck money.

 

[Turboguy]

Hi Ranger

Well, I have done three tours at $ 3,500 each and did not meet my lady there either.  I have to admit I thought I did on all three but that was a fantasy.    Personally I think the tours have their place.   They are particularly good for someone who has never been there and is a little nervous about it. 

I think all people are different.    I think most people can find a good woman in the FSU but they may have different concepts that work for them.   Personally I have spent a lot of time wondering around the streets of various places in Russia.  I could do that for a lifetime and not meet a woman.  I think if you speak Russian and have ways of interacting that would work great.  I do think there are a lot of women there who would like a nice husband from elsewhere that do not go to socials and are not in the database of any agencies.

[GregfromGa]

I've met lots of people who have done the tour thing and all are still single. I met my wife sitting in the trainstation with her mother. It aint like we're trying to build a space shuttle here,we're just trying to meet a nice girl that sees what a good person we were or are or want to be or whatever. I do know that there are many girls that show up for the social and have no intentions of leaving because they're making too much selling themselves. The good girls are the ones sitting in the back of the room not wearing the elf shoes. The good ones are the ones that rode the train 8 hours from her village,but because she isnt acting like she's inlove with some guy she'll never get a look. Wake up gentlemen and smell the borsht. I'm  saying to try and stay in you're league as well. There's plenty of great girls over there,but have the balls to walk up and say"hi how bout lets getting an ice cream at McDonalds" or "Hey I know this great coffee shop down the street lets hit it" or my personal favorite "do you speak English? I'm kinda lost can you help me find my way". I promise you want get walked away from near as much as you would in NYC. Thank you very much ladies and gentleman I'll be here all night. Dont for get to tip your waitress she's working hard for you.

[Bruce]

Hi - my name is Dud from CMB.  Welcome to our tour.  We'll charge you three times more than you pay on your own, let you write girls who are on our website for five years or more having received hundreds of letters (heck, they have been married for four years eleven months but they never notified us).  We have other affiliate agencies who post alot of our photos for us, we never check them out.  We never check them out to see if they are real (why stop a cash cow?) - and those agencies even provide the letters for you guys.  Is that not a great deal or what??   An speaking of the tours - we have announcements with every affiliate who can get a girl off the street to see you guys either by hook or crook, we also advertise in every local paper.  Girls get all the free champagne, salami and cheese sandwitches, and you know...........the stuff only the Russians will eat.  How could they not show up. The pros, nah, we screen them out, but heck we don't mind if they are lookers.  All lookers are welcome, they are good for the photos the next batch of guys have to see.  The girls who come every time we have a social in town, use you guys for partying and meals after the social - why they are fine too.   The best thing is when we come to town and throw a social, we count the girl as coming into the social no matter how many times she goes in the door.  One time we had 55 girls, but they kept on coming in and out, so we ended up counting 250 girls that night at our social.  Still, its a great thing for you guys - with all the peer pressure and competition amongst you guys, half of you get to file a fiance visa through our low cost attorney, after meeting her for a total of four days.  Every tour a few of the guys end up doing a fiance visa with one of our lobby girls that our affiliate hotel so happily provides.  Its that  easy.   I have heard some of our couples have lasted - yep, stranger things have happened.  Oh, we have to move our act to newer and smaller cities - you know that once word gets out with all those church ladies and city tax collectors wanting a piece of our business.  OK, this is Dud, signing off..................

Seriously, for a guy who has never been over to the FSU and has plenty of spare change, tours get them into the water.  Once in the water the guy will learn to swim on his own.  Then the guy will go on his own, work with a guide / interpreter, use a full service agency with a track record, or a legitimate agency to provide him with whatever a-la-carte services he needs. 

[Jack]

damn Dud, it's not real? And I was about to sign up!

[2tallbill]

I've never been on a tour, I am not sure that they still exist in the FSU. Those that weren't
killed by Covid were killed during the war.

[Grumpy]

http://www.loveme.com/tour/order/order.shtml#

$5295 to visit Kyiv, helmet and flak jacket not included.

Current information for travel to Ukraine here:

http://visitukraine.today/

[Trenchcoat]

A good find Grumpy, interesting to see the old AFA tour still going even in wartime lol.

I think a few years ago before Covid, they did two tour fees in general, a shorter tour for around £3k or so and another for around £5k or so. I always fancied the 'Odessa, Nikoleav, Kherson' tour as not only you did three different cities you also went to see girls in cities from some not so wealthy cities, Nikoleav and moreso Kherson.

Sure you get the Scammer girls there and they are ones to avoid but you also get some real girls there. It's a large upfront cost but I probably spent at least that on my trips to the FSU over the years. For me I calculated that those trips cost £500-£1000 each minimum.

Whether I would have found a good girl who was into me in such a tour who knows. Whether I would have even ended up liking the tour experience again a bit of an unknown quantity. Guys who it has worked for will probably speak well of it enough. However if you were there and no real joy and didn't see much action then there could be a disappointment I guess.

My guess is the Kyiv tour might feature girls eager to leave Ukraine by whatever means lol.

[2tallbill]

A good find Grumpy, interesting to see the old AFA tour still going even in wartime lol.

I always fancied the 'Odessa, Nikoleav, Kherson' tour as not only you did three different cities you also went to see girls in cities from some not so wealthy cities, Nikoleav and moreso Kherson.

Those are all areas where they have a MOB industry so you are more likely to
get your wallet worked over by experienced operators. Don't go to places
because the girls are poor. Find a good girl then go to the place.

Or if you want to visit many go to a city with a large enough population then
start meeting girls.

That's my advice to men.

[Trenchcoat]

Those are all areas where they have a MOB industry so you are more likely to
get your wallet worked over by experienced operators. Don't go to places
because the girls are poor. Find a good girl then go to the place.

Or if you want to visit many go to a city with a large enough population then
start meeting girls.

That's my advice to men.

That's true the cities of Odessa, Nikoleav & Kherson have a population that is very familiar with the International Dating scene (Western Man/Ukrainian Woman Dating Scene). There are no assurances some guys have found genuine love and long term relationships in those cities but the odds are almost certainly better in cities in Ukraine that are far less familiar with the International Dating (Western Man/Ukrainian Woman) dating scene. While not all of those cities will have 100 percent good woman the outlook of those cities are different. Many are just focused on the local domestic scene, their industries and a more usual way of life than the International Dating cities of Odessa, Nikoleav, Kherson and probably Kyiv, Kharkiv and probably Lviv also.

If a Newbie or any WM wants a better bet for getting a good girl any other city in Ukraine is probably far better odds than visiting those cities whose female population will know of the bad ways you can treat a WM.

That said on the, 'Love Me' Documentary (2014). There were two guys who found a genuine woman who stayed with them long term from meeting them on AFA/Love Me Tour, which goes to show if you know what you are doing or just plain lucky then you can find love on such a tour. However, one guy was scammed on that tour also so he was unfortunate and shows the perils if you end up with a bad one.

[Trenchcoat]

I also have a theory, I know how you love them Beel

I think a girl who is into you will treat you well and be good even if she is usually not so with most other people. If she is not into you, you'll get the same bad treatment. Good girls who aren't into you will probably just let you be on your way if you meet and she has no chemistry with you.

I also agree with Beefarmer that birds of a feather flock together most commonly. It's the one of the few things he gets right I think. You can have the odd couple of two very different people but they are rare I think, or at least they look different in one or two stand out ways but otherwise might be not so.

If a girl for example is a bad girl into bad schemes then she will probably sit best with a bad guy who is also into bad schemes or similar. She would probably respect him, be into him and be good to him. A good guy she would probably disrespect, less likely to be into him and would probably treat him badly. So I think finding someone similar and on the level is probably important in this search.

[2tallbill]

I also have a theory, I know how you love them Beel

For sure I love to hear/read/debate theories.

I also agree with Beefarmer that birds of a feather flock together most commonly.

I agree with this.

I think a girl who is into you will treat you well and be good even if she is usually not so with most other people.

I disagree with this. If a girl treats a waitress poorly then she is not a good girl and in my
opinion, it's only a matter of time before you get the treatment as well.
 

Good girls who aren't into you will probably just let you be on your way if you meet and she
has no chemistry with you.

Agreed

If a girl for example is a bad girl into bad schemes then she will probably sit best with a bad guy who is also into bad schemes or similar. She would probably respect him, be into him and be good to him.

I don't agree here, but who cares. She is just as likely to make everyone miserable as to decide to
make a bad dude happy. Who cares because once you determine that she is bad, hit delete and
remove her from your brain. Speculating about who is a match for a bad girl is wasting time
and resources that can be put to better uses.

So I think finding someone similar and on the level is probably important in this search.

Mostly agree. If you are a 5 level in attractiveness, brains, humor and abilities you can go
after a 6-7 in all those things. You should not go after a 9 or a 10.

If you barely passed in high school you should not go after an astrophysics professor.

If you are a 6, get in shape, hit the weights, learn some Russian thereby upping your game
now you are a seven and can get an eight.

Whatever you do first and foremost make sure you are pursuing a good girl who is attracted
to you at least as much or more than you are attracted to you. Never pursue a girl who is
so-so interested in you. She needs to be all in.