The TRUE Nature of a SCAM

[vwrw]

From Kvinna:
At first we create rapport with some of you. Make feel so good and comfortable with one of us. After 3 - 5 months we will start discussing our meeting. We will promise you just you want to get, but believe me with our NLP skills we will lull all your suspicions for sure and make you feel happy.

Okay, if a 3 - 7 months relationship which had not the happy end but made you to feel so good and happy was a losing time…then which relationship is not the losing time for women? Maybe a relationship where during 3 - 7 months a man sends money to a woman and does not disturb her (by his romantic letters) to spend his money for amusements?
I think if a relationship really brought happiness to a woman she will not consider the relationship to be the losing time even if the relationship was just an allusion because her being into happiness was real.   

[Kvinna]

I think if a relationship really brought happiness to a woman she will not consider the relationship to be the losing time even if the relationship was just an allusion because her being into happiness was real.   

ОК some reading to you to understand something
if it is possible of course

Stanley Day (20:29) :
Hi, is this Stanleys Svetlana? This is Alan, his brother. My brother asked me to contact you if anything were to happen to him during the operation. He was operated on this week, and is now in a coma.
Stanley Day (20:29) :
They need to put him on life support, but he signed a document to not be saved. Moy mom is affraid he will die. Is there any reason you can think of why he would write that? I know he was planning to go see you, and had bought a wedding ring. Did you two break up? Alan

Stanley Day (5:54) :
Hi Svetlana, this is Alan. I just came home from the hospital to see my brother. He is not doing too good. The doctor said there is a chance he may die. He is stable now, but he is having trouble breathing on his own. If something happends, I will tell you. Happy Thanksgiving, I am glad Stan has a woman like you that loves him. I know he loves you too.
Stanley Day (10:43) :
Svetlana, Stan is still in critical condition. we saw him today, and he has lost 23 pounds and is not doing well. he is still in a coma. is there a chance you can come for the funeral, mom does not think he will live till friday. alan
Stanley Day (10:44) :
i have to go now, i just came by to get his papers from the marines so he can be buried ina vertans cematry, bye. alan

Stanley Day (10:45) :
i wish it were not true, but it is. we were lucky to have him this long. please come if you can. mom is very upset, and stan left you things, money and some papers
Stanley Day (10:48) :
I will tell his lawyer then, and have them send you your things. I am sure that your address is in stans computer. If not i will let you know, and tell me where to send the stuff. have to go now. bye

Stanley Day (9:52) :
Hi Svetlana this is alan. I just got home from hospital, my brother is awake. he asked about you when i saw him. i told him you knew he was ill. he is breathing on his own now. but still in icu. i will see him tomorrow, do you want me to tell him anything?
Stanley Day (9:54) :
his is very sick and weak. he will be in hospital at least another 10 days maybe more. you are all he asked about
Stanley Day (9:56) :
do you want me to pass any message to him, i will see him tomorrow morning before work

Stanley Day (9:57) :
he wants that, he is sad now, and he needs to be happy, and get well, he nerly died 3 times last week. and the doctors do not want him depressed. I will will tell him for you. i know he loves you
Stanley Day (9:59) :
i will tell him, he said to tell you he loves you and wants you as his wife. mom wants to meet you, and wants you in the family. so remember that

Stanley Day (10:00) :
you do know he will never be the same again dont you? he will never run or be able to do most things like he used to. motorcycles, cars or walk maybe
Stanley Day (10:00) :
he wanted you to know that, and be sure you really loved him, and wanted him, because he wont be the same way ever again
Stanley Day (10:01) :
he loves you i know this
Stanley Day (10:03) :
we are happy you said this, mom and the family. i will tell him in the morning, and let mom know as well. when can you come see him, stan really needs you now
Stanley Day (10:05) :
i have to go now. i will tell him what you said. have a good night. bye


Stanley Day (9:31) :
Hi svetlana. I yalked to stan today. he asked what you had to think about. he was upset. he wanted me to ask you if you were still in love with him,a nd if not he wanted to know.
Stanley Day (9:35) :
then what is there to think about?
Stanley Day (9:37) :
becasue you seemed like you were hestitant and said you had to think about things. i told him what you wrote to me. he wanted to know why you had to think. he has had a bad time, and is very week in much pain. loves you so much, i can tell

Stanley Day (9:40) :
i have to go, is alte and am going to drop off some clothes to the hospital

my brother loves you very much svetlana i know, i can see it but, you know how he is if he feels you dont care he will just quit speaking to you and never contact you again. is just the way he is he did the same to mom when they fought when he was in the marine he did not speak to her for 7 years
Stanley Day (9:42) :
he was ina bad car crash. very bad. was almost dead on the street then they operated on his back and he died on the operations table. he was on his way to lax to fly to russia when he was hit by a drunk driver
Stanley Day (9:44) :
if he did not love you he would not have your photo on his desk in his wallet and have told mom he was going to marry you in russia he even sold his harley and used the moneyy for your ring the flight and papers for lawyer

Stanley Day (9:44) :
i am sorry too you seem to be nice but he is in pain and dying and he only wants to be loved i know this. i go now. i will tell him what you said
Stanley Day (9:45) :
do not tell him i tell you anything he will be mad at me ok

Stanley Day (9:45) :
no he wont tell you anything he told me you worry to much

Stanley Day (9:47) :
and he loves you so marry him and forgive him he has worked hard and given so much to my mom to help her he said it was making him unable to coem to you sooner thats why he was not able to go to you he gave mom so much cause she is sick

Stanley Day (9:47) :
he needs someone to care for him he will never walk again or have children, do not tell hi i told you

he lost much in the crash
Stanley Day (9:49) :
no..if he lives till xmas we will be happy

then they chances of him living through next surgery is better


he lost his spleen as well

Stanley Day (9:50) :
he will need 4 more surgeries
Stanley Day (9:52) :
he may die you need to know this
Stanley Day (9:56) :
he does love you you are all he lives for
Stanley Day (9:59) :
do you really
Stanley Day (9:59) :
i will tell him then
Stanley Day (10:00) :
welcoem have a good night

bye
Stanley Day (10:01) :
wnated to know if you come

Stanley Day (10:02) :
yes mom will write you invitation and send it to you ok
Stanley Day (10:02) :
she will email it this week i will tell her tomorrow ok

Stanley Day (10:02) :
i tell him now i go bye

Stanley Day (9:10) :
svetlana are you here

Stanley Day (9:11) :
still not good and is worse

the doctor said infection is bad now and has stopped one of his lungs from working

he cant breath
Stanley Day (9:12) :
mom does not think he will live he has lost weight and now is 150 pounds only he lost over 30 pounds
Stanley Day (9:13) :
if he dies mom wants to call you and let you know can you give me your telephone nymber to give to her please
Stanley Day (9:14) :
mom tyhinks he has given up he does not want to live he is to sad and he knows he will not be like he was

Stanley Day (9:14) :
i will give mom that number her name is louise if she calls you
Stanley Day (9:15) :
we cant either and i am afraid to lose my only brother
Stanley Day (9:16) :
we pray for stan thats all we can do
Stanley Day (9:17) :
there is nothing anyone can do either he wants to live or he will die thats what the doctor says

Stanley Day (9:18) :
i wont be here for a while now i am going to moms for a few days and have to watch charlize

if something happends mom will call you so look for a call from california
Stanley Day (9:19) :
he does not know any of that now he is very sad and i think wants to die he will never walk right again and will never ride his harley or work again he is hurt bad
Stanley Day (9:20) :
ok i go now

have a good night wait for my moms call
Stanley Day (9:21) :
i will see him tonight and will tell him you talked to me

he listens i think will tell him you love him
Stanley Day (9:22) :
you are pretty and very smart stan always tell s us about how smart and educated you are you will find someone nice and be happy you are healthy stan would want you happy you know not sad
Stanley Day (9:24) :
he wants that to i am sure

i will tell him


Stanley Day (10:08) :
hi svetlana i saw stan today
he is awake now
he was asking about you if you had called or written him
Stanley Day (10:09) :
are you there
Stanley Day (10:09) :
ok i have to go am late to feed charlize bye
Stanley Day (10:10) :
yes if you send hima letter i will read it if it is in english
Stanley Day (10:11) :
yes i have his password and he does not get any mail his friends all think he is dead he is very sad about this
Stanley Day (10:12) :
he wanted to know if you were here and if you had left him too
Stanley Day (10:13) :
yes i told him he thought that you would go away since he is hurt and did not come
Stanley Day (10:15) :
they say he needs rest and to have 3 more operations
maybe more if he is to walk again
Stanley Day (10:17) :
when i told him you ask for him everyday he smiled it has been long time since he was happy you make him happy he wants to live and see you again i think
Stanley Day (10:19) :
no he will be in hospital at least till next week he wants to see you he told me you are his wife to be, is that right?
Stanley Day (10:21) :
he loves you, more than i have seen him love anyone
Stanley Day (10:22) :
you are something to him that no one else has been i know that
Stanley Day (10:24) :
stan asked if you were ok said that you were hurt someone hit you or attacked you
Stanley Day (10:25) :
i will tell him he was worried if he does not walk he will die i know it
Stanley Day (10:26) :
yes the fever they think has made him sterile
Stanley Day (10:28) :
he is very sad because of it does that mean you do not want to be his wife now
Stanley Day (10:30) :
think so what
Stanley Day (10:32) :
ok will tell him
so you do want to marry him still

Stanley Day (10:33) :
about what
Stanley Day (10:34) :
he wants i know this he told mom that last nigth
Stanley Day (10:36) :
yes he does i know this why
Stanley Day (10:38) :
why do you think he would not want to marry you

Stanley Day (10:39) :
he would die before he hurt you i know him
he has such honor
my brother is like that
Stanley Day (10:42) :
if you stand behind him he will overcome whatever he needs
he will walk again i know him
and he reads and writes so well he could be in wheelchair forever and be famous
have you ever read any of his stories or books

Stanley Day (10:45) :
he was famous in germany when he lived there
wote plays and 2 books
poems
and songs
he is so talented
Stanley Day (10:48) :
i just have the books here
nothing that i can send you
Stanley Day (10:52) :
i will will you send email tonight
Stanley Day (10:53) :
ok i will check it later have to feed my daughter now
you know you have 13 nieces and nephews dont you
Stanley Day (10:56) :
thank you she is beautiful isnt she
Stanley Day (10:58) :
we look a bit alike
but she does look like stan
so does my other daughter savannha
Stanley Day (11:01) :
i have 3 now, 2 girls and 1 boy
Stanley Day (11:03) :
he worked very dangerous jobs he did not want to die and have his children left without a father
Stanley Day (11:04) :
i have to go now
send the email and i will take to stan in morning
bye
Stanley Day (11:04) :
is ture
his ex wife did not want kids

hi Svetlana, i just wanted to let you know know that my brother passed on last week. he wanted you to have the best, and left money and some personal items for me to send to you. if you want them please let me know so i can send them. alan

[Kvinna]

And in this example you did not have to pay money because men do not ask for money.  I can not say that because I knowone RW who had been scammed out of $2000 by a Turkish man - he was young, handsome and charming, and she was in love.

Not only from Turkey, we know some heros from Australia, Holland, USA that scammed Russian women for money

[Gator]

Kvinna,

These Stanley Day quotes are absurd, so absurd that I assume it is true.  No one can make up such stuff.

Were these Instant Messages?

Yes, there are some men sick in the head, but hopefully only a few.  Most of the men who post here seem to have sincere intentions about meeting a Russian woman  -  namely, start a relationship that could lead to marriage.  Yet,  the relative number of men here is small.

[vwrw]

Well Kvinna, I understood I was wrong .

[Turboguy]

Hummm, gets me thinking.  I know someone who just had a bad experience with a RW who was about the nastiest scammer you could think of as well as a big crook.   Might be a fun kind of revenge for him. 

Of course it is better just to move on.

[groovlstk]

During the course of my search I met a few women who told me that their foreign boyfriend (whom they'd never met in person) had up and died on them. Always in the back of my mind I thought probably it was just some sick, emotional basket case who was playing games, like the nutjob in Kvinna's post.

[BillyB]

MoscowFlower who posted here lost $5000 to an American man.

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=1411.msg29630#msg29630

[Turboguy]

I have heard a few stories of women getting scammed but not that many.   Dragonfly who used to post here had a guy visit from England and ended up having to pay for his hotel and his meals.

[Kvinna]

Hummm, gets me thinking.  I know someone who just had a bad experience with a RW who was about the nastiest scammer you could think of as well as a big crook.   Might be a fun kind of revenge for him. 

You know, guy, I would suggest every woman to avoid you
seems you are ready to take revenge with any woman on your way. Just due to people like reputation of americans is so low

[Turboguy]

misery,  thanks for the constructive remark.  I will tell my gal she should bail before it is too late.  Thanks for saving her all the misary.

Just joking.  First off Kvinna, I am not a vengeful person at all.  I have had more than my share of things people did to me in my life that were really bad and never felt a need to pay them back or as we say it extract my pound of flesh.   I had an employee one time who on his way out destroyed 2 years of work and a ton of investment.   Down the road someone called who was thinking about hiring him.  I thought he would be good for the job they wanted and gave him a good reference.  I never carry ill feelings towards anyone.   Life is too short to do that and the bitterness you keep inside will poison you far more than any satisfaction you might get.   I have also been scammed a bunch of times and never even bothered to post them on an anti-scam site.

I was also joking when I made that comment.  I do have a good friend who was put through the ringer by a gal and we have had some conversations about it.   Part of him would like to get some payback.  My advise was to list her on some scam sites in the hopes of saving others the heartbreak and financial loss and move on with his life.  Revenge is never a good course.

It is nice to see you posting here again.  You have always had some great comments.

[Son of Clyde]

The word scam may be overused. If the tablets of stone says to treat international dating the same as local dating then maybe some FSU women are actually adhering to this rule but we are not.

For example, you go on a bad date and you know it from the first few minutes. You are maybe out a dinner and a few hours of your time.

So maybe some RW are thinking this way. It IS local dating for them no matter how many miles the guy has travelled to meet them.

Now if the woman has any decency she may bail out early and if the guy is wise he will have a backup plan to meet other women. This is my take on the agency women.

If however you have been writing and having telephone conversations with a woman for 6 months and she behaves in a cold manner I would say it could go 50/50. But is it a scam if there is no chemistry? I think not.

One is never sure until there is the face to face contact.

How many of us got on the plane thinking to ourselves, what if the woman does not look anything like her photograph? I really think you need to be prepared and if you are just going to meet 3 or 4 women, don't be so surprised if several will take the free dinner and night on the town and forget about you. If the chemistry is not there maybe she is doing you a favor.

Rejection is hard anywhere but it is especially heart wrenching 4,500 miles from home. You must plan ahead.