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Offline PeeWee

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it is no secret that Putin is on a mission to restore mother Russia to its former great world power. How this affects any of us who have loved ones whom now live in the FSU is of interest.

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Russia's Great-Power Strategy
By George Friedman

Most speeches at diplomatic gatherings aren't worth the time it takes to listen to them. On rare occasion, a speech is delivered that needs to be listened to carefully. Russian President Vladimir Putin gave such a speech over the weekend in Munich, at a meeting on international security. The speech did not break new ground; it repeated things that the Russians have been saying for quite a while. But the venue in which it was given and the confidence with which it was asserted signify a new point in Russian history. The Cold War has not returned, but Russia is now officially asserting itself as a great power, and behaving accordingly.

At Munich, Putin launched a systematic attack on the role the United States is playing in the world. He said: "One state, the United States, has overstepped its national borders in every way ... This is nourishing an arms race with the desire of countries to get nuclear weapons." In other words, the United States has gone beyond its legitimate reach and is therefore responsible for attempts by other countries -- an obvious reference to Iran -- to acquire nuclear weapons.

Russia for some time has been in confrontation with the United States over U.S. actions in the former Soviet Union (FSU). What the Russians perceive as an American attempt to create a pro-U.S. regime in Ukraine triggered the confrontation. But now, the issue goes beyond U.S. actions in the FSU. The Russians are arguing that the unipolar world -- meaning that the United States is the only global power and is surrounded by lesser, regional powers -- is itself unacceptable. In other words, the United States sees itself as the solution when it is, actually, the problem.

In his speech, Putin reached out to European states -- particularly Germany, pointing out that it has close, but blunt, relations with Russia. The Central Europeans showed themselves to be extremely wary about Putin's speech, recognizing it for what it was -- a new level of assertiveness from an historical enemy. Some German leaders appeared more understanding, however: Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier made no mention of Putin's speech in his own presentation to the conference, while Ruprecht Polenz, chairman of the Bundestag Foreign Affairs Committee, praised Putin's stance on Iran. He also noted that the U.S. plans to deploy an anti-missile shield in Poland and the Czech Republic was cause for concern -- and not only to Russia.

Putin now clearly wants to escalate the confrontations with the United States and likely wants to build a coalition to limit American power. The gross imbalance of global power in the current system makes such coalition-building inevitable -- and it makes sense that the Russians should be taking the lead. The Europeans are risk-averse, and the Chinese do not have much at risk in their dealings with the United States at the moment. The Russians, however, have everything at risk. The United States is intruding in the FSU, and an ideological success for the Americans in Ukraine would leave the Russians permanently on the defensive.

The Russians need allies but are not likely to find them among other great-power states. Fortunately for Moscow, the U.S. obsession with Iraq creates alternative opportunities. First, the focus on Iraq prevents the Americans from countering Russia elsewhere. Second, it gives the Russians serious leverage against the United States -- for example, by shipping weapons to key players in the region. Finally, there are Middle Eastern states that seek great-power patronage. It is therefore no accident that Putin's next stop, following the Munich conference, was in Saudi Arabia. Having stabilized the situation in the former Soviet region, the Russians now are constructing their follow-on strategy, and that concerns the Middle East.

The Russian Interests

The Middle East is the pressure point to which the United States is most sensitive. Its military commitment in Iraq, the confrontation with Iran, the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and oil in the Arabian Peninsula create a situation such that pain in the region affects the United States intensely. Therefore, it makes sense for the Russians to use all available means of pressure in the Middle East in efforts to control U.S. behavior elsewhere, particularly in the former Soviet Union.

Like the Americans, the Russians also have direct interests in the Middle East. Energy is a primary one: Russia is not only a major exporter of energy supplies, it is currently the world's top oil producer. The Russians have a need to maintain robust energy prices, and working with the Iranians and Saudis in some way to achieve this is directly in line with Moscow's interest. To be more specific, the Russians do not want the Saudis increasing oil production.





There are strategic interests in the Middle East as well. For example, the Russians are still bogged down in Chechnya. It is Moscow's belief that if Chechnya were to secede from the Russian Federation, a precedent would be set that could lead to the dissolution of the Federation. Moscow will not allow this. The Russians consistently have claimed that the Chechen rebellion has been funded by "Wahhabis," by which they mean Saudis. Reaching an accommodation with the Saudis, therefore, would have not only economic, but also strategic, implications for the Russians.

On a broader level, the Russians retain important interests in the Caucasus and in Central Asia. In both cases, their needs intersect with forces originating in the Muslim world and trace, to some extent, back to the Middle East. If the Russian strategy is to reassert a sphere of influence in the former Soviet region, it follows that these regions must be secured. That, in turn, inevitably involves the Russians in the Middle East.

Therefore, even if Russia is not in a position to pursue some of the strategic goals that date back to the Soviet era and before -- such as control of the Bosporus and projection of naval power into the Mediterranean -- it nevertheless has a basic, ongoing interest in the region. Russia has a need both to limit American power and to achieve direct goals of its own. So it makes perfect sense for Putin to leave Munich and embark on a tour of Saudi Arabia and other Persian Gulf countries.

The Complexities

But the Russians also have a problem. The strategic interests of Middle Eastern states diverge, to say the least. The two main Islamic powers between the Levant and the Hindu Kush are Saudi Arabia and Iran. The Russians have things they want from each, but the Saudis and Iranians have dramatically different interests. Saudi Arabia -- an Arab and primarily Sunni kingdom -- is rich but militarily weak. The government's reliance on outside help for national defense generates intense opposition within the kingdom. Desert Storm, which established a basing arrangement for Western troops within Saudi Arabia, was one of the driving forces behind the creation of al Qaeda. Iran -- a predominantly Persian and Shiite power -- is not nearly as rich as Saudi Arabia but militarily much more powerful. Iran seeks to become the dominant power in the Persian Gulf -- out of both its need to defend itself against aggression, and for controlling and exploiting the oil wealth of the region.

Putting the split between Sunni and Shiite aside for the moment, there is tremendous geopolitical asymmetry between Saudi Arabia and Iran. Saudi Arabia wants to limit Iranian power, while keeping its own dependence on foreign powers at a minimum. That means that, though keeping energy prices high might make financial sense for the kingdom, the fact that high energy prices also strengthen the Iranians actually can be a more important consideration, depending on circumstances. There is some evidence that recent declines in oil prices are linked to decisions in Riyadh that are aimed at increasing production, reducing prices and hurting the Iranians.

This creates a problem for Russia. While Moscow has substantial room for maneuver, the fact is that lowered oil prices impact energy prices overall, and therefore hurt the Russians. The Saudis, moreover, need the Iranians blocked -- but without going so far as to permit foreign troops to be based in Saudi Arabia itself. In other words, they want to see the United States remain in Iraq, since the Americans serve as the perfect shield against the Iranians so long as they remain there. Putin's criticisms of the United States, as delivered in Munich, would have been applauded by Saudi Arabia prior to the 2003 invasion of Iraq. But in 2007, the results of that invasion are exactly what the Saudis feared -- a collapsed Iraq and a relatively powerful Iran. The Saudis now need the Americans to stay put in the region.

The interests of Russia and Iran align more closely, but there are points of divergence there as well. Both benefit from having the United States tied up, militarily and politically, in wars, but Tehran would be delighted to see a U.S. withdrawal from Iraq that leaves a power vacuum for Iran to fill. The Russians would rather not see this outcome. First, they are quite happy to have the United States bogged down in Iraq and would prefer that to having the U.S. military freed for operations elsewhere. Second, they are interested in a relationship with Iran but are not eager to drive the United States and Saudi Arabia into closer relations. Third, the Russians do not want to see Iran become the dominant power in the region. They want to use Iran, but within certain manageable limits.

Russia has been supplying Iran with weapons. Of particular significance is the supply of surface-to-air missiles that would raise the cost of U.S. air operations against Iran. It is not clear whether the advanced S300PMU surface-to-air missile has yet been delivered, although there has been some discussion of this lately. If it were delivered, this would present significant challenges for U.S. air operation over Iran. The Russians would find this particularly advantageous, as the Iranians would absorb U.S. attentions and, as in Vietnam, the Russians would benefit from extended, fruitless commitments of U.S. military forces in regions not vital to Russia.

Meanwhile, there are energy matters: The Russians, as we have said, are interested in working with Iran to manage world oil prices. But at the same time, they would not be averse to a U.S. attack that takes Iran's oil off the market, spikes prices and enriches Russia.

Finally, it must be remembered that behind this complex relationship with Iran, there historically has been animosity and rivalry between the two countries. The Caucasus has been their battleground. For the moment, with the collapse of the Soviet Union, there is a buffer there, but it is a buffer in which Russians and Iranians are already dueling. So long as both states are relatively weak, the buffer will maintain itself. But as they get stronger, the Caucasus will become a battleground again. When Russian and Iranian territories border each other, the two powers are rarely at peace. Indeed, Iran frequently needs outside help to contain the Russians.

A Complicated Strategy

In sum, the Russian position in the Middle East is at least as complex as the American one. Or perhaps even more so, since the Americans can leave and the Russians always will live on the doorstep of the Middle East. Historically, once the Russians start fishing in Middle Eastern waters, they find themselves in a greater trap than the Americans. The opening moves are easy. The duel between Saudi Arabia and Iran seems manageable. But as time goes on, Putin's Soviet predecessors learned, the Middle East is a graveyard of ambitions -- and not just American ambitions.

Russia wants to contain U.S. power, and manipulating the situation in the Middle East certainly will cause the Americans substantial pain. But whatever short-term advantages the Russians may be able to find and exploit in the region, there is an order of complexity in Putin's maneuver that might transcend any advantage they gain from boxing the Americans in.

In returning to "great power" status, Russia is using an obvious opening gambit. But being obvious does not make it optimal.
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Re: Something to be aware of, especially if she lives in the Caucasus
« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2007, 01:20:30 PM »
 Very interesting article, it always comes down to the Middle East, the center of conflict for as long as the world has turned.

 If you look at it from a Russian point of view it's understandable that Putin is making a stand, Ukraine really is Pro Western now, not to mention the idea of U.S. "shield missiles" in Poland and the Czech Republic. Brings to mind the Cuban missile conflict, we didn't like that much did we?

 I hope it's not the start of another Cold War, if and when Russia does become a "Super Power" again it would be nice if we could co-exist and encourage free trade between us, and not start another arms race, it would be terrible for our children to have to fear Nuclear war like we did when we were kids...duck and cover...yeah right that will help.  :-\

 It could be a good thing to have another Super Power again, let Russia fix the worlds problems instead of everyone asking the U.S. for help. Being the "World Police" has few benefits..it usually goes something like this...help, help we have a natural disaster, we're being invaded, exploited...etc. why isn't the U.S. helping us?  Ok the U.S. is here to help....and then it turns into something like...we don't need your interference, we can manage just fine on our own! ...or... thanks for the donations, now get the F outta here!  ;D


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Fund the audits, spread the word and educate people, write your politicians and other elected officials. Stay active in the fight to save our country. Over 220 generals and admirals say we are in a fight for our survival like no other time since 1776.

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Re: Something to be aware of, especially if she lives in the Caucasus
« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2007, 02:31:10 PM »
Yeah but that Parade list could be somewhat biased?

I'm not so sure whether a corporate-cracy is any different than fascism perhaps? >:(
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Re: Something to be aware of, especially if she lives in the Caucasus
« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2007, 02:58:17 PM »
 Hey, why isn't Bush on that list  ???

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Re: Something to be aware of, especially if she lives in the Caucasus
« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2007, 03:00:01 PM »
Hey, why isn't Bush on that list  ???

UH, that would be the US media :)
So that would like Idi Amin reporting his own oppression in Ugandan newspapers while he was around :p.
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Re: Something to be aware of, especially if she lives in the Caucasus
« Reply #6 on: February 15, 2007, 05:47:01 PM »
When I was in Kislovodsk in 2004, there was a great deal of Russian militia and Russian police in and around every nearby town.  There was a lot of tension between the Muslims and the rest of the population, that's for certain.  An alliance between Russia and Iran is logical if Iran could quell the Chechnyan's desire to revolt.  And there's no doubt that Putin is circling the wagons in an attempt to centralize power.  He sees the burgeoning economy in China and undoubtedly desires the same type of power and control. 

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Re: Something to be aware of, especially if she lives in the Caucasus
« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2007, 12:41:11 AM »
Russia isn't working with Iran to control oil prices.  If they were, they'd be in OPEC.  But Putin has no interest in controlling production, he wants Russia to be the #1 exporter of oil in the world.  They are close, if they would stop bullying western oil companies and actually let them invest in projects there it could happen.  Russia is already starting to peak in their production, the only way to increase the oil flow is to continue more drilling in Siberia.  Still, at the current rate of expansion, Russia will run out of oil by 2020 (which isn't THAT far away) based on known reserves.  Their attitude seems to be live for now and who cares about 20 years down the road...

As for China, its a totally different situation.  China is growing their economy based on industrial production.  Russia is growing the economy by selling natural resources and 2ndly with the cheap ruble (which is getting less cheap everyday).  Their infrastructure is still decrepit, the population is falling and the capital markets still underdeveloped.  The banking sector is on the verge of collapse if they don't get their default rates under control.

The only long term hope for Russia is someday they will elect someone with a vision who  help them design a rule of law that allows an efficient market to develop... that's what happened in successful former emerging market economies, for instance 1950's japan.
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Re: Something to be aware of, especially if she lives in the Caucasus
« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2007, 09:32:01 PM »
Thomas Friedman of the NY Times wrote several columns recently about Russia.  He said that the high price of oil was making it possible for Putin to do what he wants and be more autocratic, both at home and abroad.  Cheaper oil will help democracy in Russia. 

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Re: Something to be aware of, especially if she lives in the Caucasus
« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2007, 12:25:16 AM »
Thomas Friedman of the NY Times wrote several columns recently about Russia.  He said that the high price of oil was making it possible for Putin to do what he wants and be more autocratic, both at home and abroad.  Cheaper oil will help democracy in Russia. 

Dan

Thank dear But we went through such a democracy with Gorbachev and have not much desire to repeat his experience but this time already with Russian federation. One of such kind is enough for one life term.  ::)

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Re: Something to be aware of, especially if she lives in the Caucasus
« Reply #10 on: March 22, 2007, 07:59:37 PM »
Hi Elen,
I'm curious. Do your friends and relatives and co-workers
want more democracy, or are they comfortable with
an autocratic system controlled mostly by one person,
such as Putin? I know Russia has a history of rule by
one person- the Communist leader or the Czar.
Can democracy survice in a country with the lingering
effects of that history?

Here in the US, I see a growing problem with democracy:
The apparent inadequacy of the two-party system. All power is
controlled by either the Democrat or Republican party.
Our system does not allow for other parties to gain
any kind of powerful status. In theory, other parties
could gain some prominence, but with extreme difficulties.
The media gives very little coverage to outside ideas,
or third party politicians. And without the 'threat' of
outsider parties, the two main parties have become entrenched
in maintaining their power, rather than doing the work
of the people.

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Re: Something to be aware of, especially if she lives in the Caucasus
« Reply #11 on: March 24, 2007, 12:18:21 AM »
The Russians consistently have claimed that the Chechen rebellion has been funded by "Wahhabis," by which they mean Saudis. Reaching an accommodation with the Saudis, therefore, would have not only economic, but also strategic, implications for the Russians.
This is a long article that PeeWee has posted, and I have not finished it yet... * BUT * . . .

To believe economic cooperation/accomodation would lead to cultural cooperation/accomodation is a MAJOR MISTAKE!

The U-S has been at this since the 1970's with --- ZERO --- progress.

Russia should only look at U-S diplomacy in the Middle East to see this as a 'lesson-learned'.

Russia has a tough time seeing the world-wide wave of terrorism for what it is--- a RELIGIOUS WAR.  Russia is an infidel country, like it or not.

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Re: Something to be aware of, especially if she lives in the Caucasus
« Reply #12 on: March 24, 2007, 12:14:00 PM »
The problem is that through the history of civilization, political leaders have been near-sighted. They make decisions and set policy to please the masses in the short term, without realizing what impact it will have on the world in the long term. One must wonder, when hasn't there been a war going on somewhere in this world, and what actions in the past, triggered those wars today? The smaller less powerful countries will always want to get noticed, while the more powerful ones will try their best to make sure the smaller ones don't beat their chests too much. Pretty much like the male species in the animal kingdom looking for a mate. The smaller males puff themselves up, while the bigger males will beat them down. The only difference between modern man and an ape, is that the most powerful humans have replaced the drive to procreate with the drive to dominate. 
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Re: Something to be aware of, especially if she lives in the Caucasus
« Reply #13 on: March 24, 2007, 05:51:04 PM »
Just an interesting bit of trivia or family history if you like. When my father inlaw to be was at university Putin was an undergrad there apparently he said something insulting one day in the library and FIL  punched him out.  Maybe he is still recovering from that episode. :thumbsup:

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Re: Something to be aware of, especially if she lives in the Caucasus
« Reply #14 on: March 25, 2007, 12:02:40 AM »
I think Elen has a picture of Stalin hanging in her living room.

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Re: Something to be aware of, especially if she lives in the Caucasus
« Reply #15 on: March 25, 2007, 12:09:33 AM »
I think Elen has a picture of Stalin hanging in her living room.

I thought she was much younger than that.......... :cheesygrin:

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Re: Something to be aware of, especially if she lives in the Caucasus
« Reply #16 on: March 25, 2007, 12:29:23 AM »
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I think Elen has a picture of Stalin hanging in her living room.

Maybe she has a picture of the Czar instead  . . . . :cheesygrin:

 

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