A girl on multiple sites.

[Teddy KGB]

Alright.. I have been a member of the infamous HRB/RLM site for a little while now, and only recently discovered that my suspicions about the site were true... that it's set up to milk the guy of his money, and little else. I managed to actually become a 'qualified' member, but have not gotten to the point yet with any of the girls where I would want to make a decision on contacting them (their agency) independently.

This brings me to the real meat of my question:
What if I find and start talking to a lady on HRB/RLM, and then discover her on a REPUTABLE agency's website (example: one that is gold listed on Jim's Lists)?

There are a couple of possibilites in this case..
One, she is a legitimate girl who got sucked into a bad agency, and decided to stick around to get paid to chat while she seriously searches for a guy? The consensus from the forums that I have seen all seem to point to the fact that the ladies are paid to lure men into web/cam chats, and my own personal experience also leads me to believe that this conclusion is true, using Ockham's Razor. More than once a girl has asked me "can you see me now on cam, etc" while I was chatting with her, and the minute I sign on the site I get inundated with chat requests.

The other possibilities are that she is a scammer, or the agency she is with is not exclusive to HRB/RLM. If anyone has any other hypothesis, I would be thrilled to hear them.

This brings me to my next great question:
How should I handle the situation with these ladies? Tell them that I discovered the agency that I am working with here in the US is not reputable, and that I want to contact them on another service, or something else like having her give me her contact info? This is an area that I feel I should tread very delicately, since I do not want to upset the girl in such an early stage of getting to know her. Like, I'm not sure how to open the door to have a girl give me her contact info through the site, as it seems that they are VERY thorough in scrubbing the messages automatically for contact information. Also, I would not know how to say 'oh I saw you on this other website' without making her feel like I am 'window shopping' for a hottie, and not serious in my search.

Some hard questions for the administrators of HRB/RLM (that I bet my entire investment portfolio will NEVER be answered truthfully):

1. How do girls know within 10 seconds that I am online, look at my profile, then decide to talk to me in chat or by webcam?
I carefully review the girls profile and ensure that she meets ALL of my criteria before I choose to email her. In fact, the first email from me asks her to verify some of the most important 'bullet points' that she asserts in her profile (Smoking, Has children, Wants children) etc. That helps me fish out the 'form mailers' as well in one shot. I'm a great looking guy, but not SO good looking that every 18 year old bombshell on there should want to talk to me the moment I come online.

2. How does the system decide tha order of ladies it displays when you click the 'whos online' button?
I know that the girls with available cams are GROUPED first, but from my observation, it seems that the girls who always try to 'chat me up' the moment i sign on always seem to be at the top of the groups list. (having an IT background, I know that something like that would be trivially easy to accomplish)

I am sure more questions or comments will come up as I delve deeper into this endeavour.

[Shadow]

Let me try to answer the questions.

1. Just like you can register your profile on more than one site, so can women. It might not be a bad sign. However jimslists are not regarded as a golden standard due to some past exchanges.
Another thing is that the woman might be registered through a local agency, who place her on different sites without her knowing.

If you see her profile in multiple sites, choose the one that you think is trustworthy, preferably one that gives out direct contact information. Do not try to ask this in HRB/RLM, see my further points.

To the questions for the owner my comments:

Check the chat carefully. If the woman is not typing while answers come, then understand that there is someone typing for her. If she does type, while her profile might say she does not know English, things are even more odd. Your idea that girls are paid to sit in chat and attract clients seems rather correct.

Understand that all messages you send go through a 'translator' so any asking for direct contact will be answered by feeling more 'comfortable' and 'avoid misunderstanding'. These parts might not be asked to the girl, as the replies are company policy.

[I/O]

What if I find and start talking to a lady on HRB/RLM, and then discover her on a REPUTABLE agency's website (example: one that is gold listed on Jim's Lists)?

Couple of points here Teddy, first, women who are seriously searching will list on more than one site. Some, or all of those sites will be suspect. If you find her interesting, talk to her by whatever means possible, talk, ask, talk, ask and talk some more. Sooner or later you'll get to the bottom of her. If she is legit, she'll stand up to scrutiny and if not, liars usually catch themselves eventually. I'm not that bright at sussing people out, so I use the best weapon I have, time.

I wouldn't pay much attention to Jim's list of gold sites. Certainly some of them are just fine, but Jim is and has been the subject of much conjecture regarding his ethics, thus I think there is more than the reputation of the sites in them making it to his gold list. I'd be looking for other reference points than Jim's list. Ask around here a little, someone somewhere will have used just about every site out there. Having said that, I did ask Jim one question several years back and I must admit his advice holds true even now, so I have nothing personally against him.

I/O

[Rvrwind]

Many smaller agencies, although I have yet to see one boast of it, are affiliate sites to a larger entity that shares the profiles with other affiliates. Thus explaining also why she may appear on several sites.

[Teddy KGB]

Thanks for the responses so far. I figure that if the girl is actually serious and is listed on another site, I could probably just initiate contact with her on that one, and tell her that I found HRB/RLM to be disreputable. I'll do a quick search on the forums here of the other agencies/websites I am considering using, and read the feedback about them before going further. If I can't find anything, I'll just add a thread and ask around.

I DO feel more comfortable with the second website where I can get her contact info, even though it isn't as "polished" as RLM/HRB. I think that's also part of the appeal of that site, I will admit, it is pretty good design layout work, however, they have some very interesting security holes.

Don't worry, my guard is now up pretty solidly, and January will be my last paid month at that website.

What also blows me away is this... check this profile out... In all but two pics, she looks like a supermodel, the other two.. completely plain jane. I'm a good photographer, and damn good with Photoshop, but this is nigh miraculous...

http://www.russianlovematch.com/profile/profile.aspx?toid=213958

[SANDRO43]

What also blows me away is this... check this profile out... In all but two pics, she looks like a supermodel, the other two.. completely plain jane. I'm a good photographer, and damn good with Photoshop, but this is nigh miraculous...http://www.russianlovematch.com/profile/profile.aspx?toid=213958

I ran into a similar situation: http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=6600.msg120107#msg120107.

Since her stated age is 30, I'd say that the photo in blue shorts is the most recent, while the others are from much earlier. Professional studio shots are costly for these girls, and they tend to hang on to them for quite a long time .

[Teddy KGB]

I ran into a similar situation: http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=6600.msg120107#msg120107.

Since her stated age is 30, I'd say that the photo in blue shorts is the most recent, while the others are from much earlier. Professional studio shots are costly for these girls, and they tend to hang on to them for quite a long time .

In that case, I am almost certain that RLM/HRB are paying these girls to have their photos professionally done (or taking it out of their first months chat paycheck), and even to have racy photographs taken. Some could almost be considered pornographic. But the sheer ratio of absolutely devastatingly hot girls on the site is.. well.. unreal. I've started asking girls there for 'candid' shots.

The handful of girls that I have been interested in and found on other websites are stupid hot.. even their candid pictures are just... wow.

[BillyB]

Teddy, you should have no emotional attachment to any of the women you're writing and be able to walk away from HRB/RLM without any regrets. You can bet if you ever meet that woman you're writing to, she will look like her plain Jane photo instead of the supermodel one. I've seen two RLM's profiles of the same women except one photo of the woman looks better than the other. The differences was they photoshopped one and eliminated freckles and moles off the woman's face and changed her skin color a little to make her look better.

There are good agencies out there such as Richard's above. I'd trust him based on years of posts he's made here. But I've never been an agency guy and preferred dating sites such as bride.ru where you get full contact info immediately. Some agencies do care about your success while many prefer you to stay single so they can milk you while you get your ego boost communicating with their hot women or most likely trading love letters with Igor, the employee of the month.

[Taz]

I'm in the camp with some of these photos are from a much earlier period. If she is 30 and looks that good, then I am totally stunned. The ecological effects typically start to show up on these women in their late 20's and early 30's.

Once in their mid to late 30's they start to age pretty hard. Fortunately for them they started out usually pretty beautiful. I've seen this transformation in a good friend of mine. I've known her and her husband since they were in their late 20's. Now they are both about 40 and the effects are pretty obvious. Of course genetics are at play as well but I've seen this across numerous cross sections of women.

Typically their areas are so bad from an ecological perspective that it has serious health and beauty implications. Factor in the fact that they can't really afford the type of "help" cosmetically they would really need to stave off these effects and they can go from a "10" to a "6" in ten years especially if they live in some of the worse areas econologically. I can't say I've ever seen a really pretty grandma there except one.

It has been my experience that the typical RW looks worse at 50 than the typical American woman. From 20 to mid 30's I'd say in beauty they are typically superior. Late 30's to 40's the RW's looks decline pretty quickly unless you can get them out of the FSU. I'm sure someone will argue this point but I can't tell you how many RW I know that have come here and pretty much "preserved" their beauty while their friends at home rapidly declined.

Back to the original topic. As others mentioned, sometimes an agency lists a woman on multiple sites. I saw this at work quite clearly. I literally saw the agency director posting a woman's profile to many different sites AND networks (AFA or Angelika as examples).

If I were you, I would search the "local" chat sites for a woman I saw on an agency somewhere. Quite often these women are using a parallel path to search for men. By that I mean they are searching for a Russian man locally but at the same time a foreign man in case that doesn't pan out. So they will take whoever comes along first OR if more than one man; the best candidate. So browse the local chat sites. I plan to start a separate thread regarding this when I finish up the JD’s saga or possibly before then.

Before I thought there were no good agencies or agencies were a waste of time and money. I have actually seen good ones now so if you need the help, try and find one of them.

[SANDRO43]

Taz, I concur with your diagnosis. There are exceptions, of course (our Lily is an example ), but fast aesthetical decline after 35 seems rather widespread (although I must say that my own conclusion originates from agency profile photos, rather than real-life field experiences).

[Lit_1nce]

Email scrubbers, you say... damn them... Have you tried..

reach me at  notascammer at h o t m a i l 

although not pretty, it is understandable to most people and might get through... probably better yet is an account with less users than hotmail , gmail, or yahoo .. fact is it may be looking for the characters "mail" and even separated it might make the connection (pretty simple with a python or perl script)... so perhaps this would be even better ...

reach me at  notascammer at e x c i t e com

If they let you attach  pics to your emails, you could always send a pic of your email account..  There's a thought.. get t-shirt made with it on it and take your picture. 

Of course they might catch on to you eventually and cancel your account.

[Teddy KGB]

RLM/HRB is run on Microsoft ASP/.NET 2.0, hence the serious security problems with the site. I use Paypal so that my CC number doesnt get compromised when/if they get hacked. Perl/Python doesnt figure in too much with their programming, but yes, it is possible to clean up any known large email sites even if they are seperated by spaces. Also, the photo idea? They have to "approve" photos, so that us evil American men can't send explicit photos of ourselves (apparently).

I will find a way to get my message across though, don't worry.

[catzenmouse]

Dude if you're using HRB/RLM then you might as well just crumple your money up and burn it. Either way you'll get the same results. Try using a reputable agency.

[Teddy KGB]

Dude if you're using HRB/RLM then you might as well just crumple your money up and burn it. Either way you'll get the same results. Try using a reputable agency.

As I said before, January is my last paid month. I will be working to make sure that I have alternative contact info for the girls that I am interested in from that site. I know to fold a losing hand.

At this point, I'm just speculating about their business practices, and the girls motivations.

I'm also speculating as to WHY THE F*CK they would be adding south american girls to an eastern european/FSR dating/marriage site. Different time zones so they can always have ladies online to chat? That's where I would put my money.

[Rvrwind]

I'm also speculating as to WHY THE F*CK they would be adding south american girls to an eastern european/FSR dating/marriage site.

I just love answering easy questons....
and the answer is "What is MONEY, Teddy."
Do I win the booby prize??? LMAO

[Teddy KGB]

Well, yes, thats obvious. However the name of their website(s) sort of precludes their having latin american women on it, no? It would be trivial for them to sort the women by location, and build a separate website for them, using the same basic template/design. Then they could just spam the hell out of current members of RLM/HRB and tell them that they have a "new" site called latinchickswithgreatasses (those seasoned internetters will know what im talking about). In addition, having yet another website in your stable which links to others can only help your pageran on search engines.. but.. i digress...

Wait a minute... In fact, they already do this!

Zolushka is the females counterpart to the infamous russianlovematch website. Basically all they do is a sort t/f on teh database for women/men, in order to send the right results to the correct website. The layout is almost identical. In fact.. lets say that with some 'creative' browsing, you can see who your competition is on the site. Holy crap, there are some serious losers on there.

[Rvrwind]

Holy crap, there are some serious losers on there.

Your just noticing that?
Welcome to my world....

[SANDRO43]

I will find a way to get my message across though, don't worry.

For some ideas on the subject: http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=5901.0