Can AM grok FSUW?

[oldernotwiser]

Here is what I am pondering.  I have been reading the posts of everyone, and looking at the posts of some of FSUW on the board.  Trying to take into account that they are writing in their second language.  I just wonder if it will be possible to truly understand or know them.  I used the term grok, because it speaks to feeling what they feel, empathy, etc.  OK, I also enjoy science fiction novels. 

I think if you truly have found your soulmate, you would be able to grok them, even if you did not speak the same language.  I want to believe that it would be possible. 

Here is definition I found on Wikipedia

The Oxford English Dictionary defines grok as "to understand intuitively or by empathy; to establish rapport with" and "to empathize or communicate sympathetically (with); also, to experience enjoyment." Other forms of the word include "groks" (present third person singular), "grokked" (past participle) and "grokking" (present participle).

So what do you think, some of you that are happily married to FSUW, do you feel that you grok your wives? 

Ladies, do you think it is possible for AM to truly understand you, your motivations, your feelings, grok you?

[Voyageur]

Yes, it is a rather uncanny knack my wife has. With one look, she can tell my mood.  She can even do it over the telephone, which is even more scary.

As for me, it is a bit tougher.  After 2 + years I find that I am finally able to understand some of the warning signs 

[Misha]

So what do you think, some of you that are happily married to FSUW, do you feel that you grok your wives? 

If I had not "grokked" my wife I would not have married her. However, I speak Russian fluently and have spent more than a decade with Russians through work and friends, so I understand Russians quite well both in terms of language and culture.

[Lily]

  Ladies, do you think it is possible for AM to truly understand you, your motivations, your feelings, grok you?

Thank you for educating us some more of vocabulary I never know the word 'grok' otherwise.

Of course it is possible to understand everyone. Just wondering about the question.. it seems like RW are perceived as a sort of special telepatically gifted human beings on earth 

Well, as normal human beings we express ourselves in words mostly (just in case someone did not notice ). The more a person knows the language in lots of its nuances, linguistic figures, the better. Additionally, people can add to the communication with mimicry, gestures, etc. All that makes a total picture.

In case communication is not clear, ot the signals are mixed, counteracting each other, the best way is to specify, to ask some further questions, to go into details.

That should help groking

[SANDRO43]

Thank you for educating us some more of vocabulary I never know the word 'grok' otherwise.

Lily, you're not supposed to know Martian as well as Venusian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grok) .

[catzenmouse]

Yes, it is a rather uncanny knack my wife has. With one look, she can tell my mood.  She can even do it over the telephone, which is even more scary.

As for me, it is a bit tougher.  After 2 + years I find that I am finally able to understand some of the warning signs 

Pretty much the same for me. Add a year to the time frame and it's right on target.

Perhaps I'm just Grok Challenged. Wonder if I can get a parking sticker for this...

[MaxxumUSA]

Yes...

We "Grok'd" even before she spoke so well english.

It is uncanny how close we are since day one or two of first meeting in person.  We are still extremely close after a year knowing each other and a few months marriage.

It is very nice to have found such a wonderful connection with my wife.  We know we are lucky to have found each other in this world. 

[Makkin]

Hi,

 In accordance with experts we do 70-80% of our communication without words. We use body language as the main ingredient and thus we do all indeed Grok to a massive extent.
  When you walk into a room and feel the ambiance then you are using your six or seventh sense in effect. If you walk into a room and feel tension then you know it works because usually few words are spoken.
  Police officers are now being trained in the ambiance effect to afford them safety in slippery situations. When a police officer feels the tension or other feelings he is trained to trust these feelings and work with his surroundings.
  Remote viewing..Another forward step is used and I've done well with it to move in time and space and look at things that have happened and will happen. The trouble with RV for me is the minds eye has less of a left and right side and is rather round without direct direction so the "minds eye" is seeing but it may be seeing a whole or partial picture and without experience you may move to the wrong target easier than you think. You will be pulled off target unless your mind knows what it seeks.
  Language is good for many things but we as humans can grok and a whole lot more..lol

Makkin

[I/O]

Women are made to be loved, not understood. I don't remember who said that, but it was one of much higher calibre than me. Lot of truth none the less. My view is the trick being to figure 'em out enough to decide whether of not you can really love them/her. Ya ain't gunna do that without a fair amount of common langauge.

Don't speak the same language, there will be a lot more groping than groking. Not that groping is all bad mind you.

I/O

[Gator]

Oldernotwiser,

So what do you think, some of you that are happily married to FSUW, do you feel that you grok your wives?  

Is anyone else having trouble getting past the work "grok"?  It is so awful sounding yet describes something rare, tender and special.  Oh well...

Your question is redundant.  A couple would not be happily married unless they could grok.

Once I had strong  feelings for a RW, to the point that I filed a K-1 visa petition.  Her English was not much better than my Russian, which is awful.  Yet, I felt that we were communicating, not with words but connecting intuitively  somehow with emotion, intellect and spirit.   After a year I realized I was wrong - we had trouble communicating.  The more English she learned, the worse it became.

So be careful Oldernotwiser.  Concerning matters of daily life, nothing replaces communication with words.   A good relationship has both:  the intuitive connection and just plain talking.

[Turboguy]

Well, I have learned a few new words on RWD but usually they come from Sandro.  Grok is definitely a new one for me.  Not sure I will remember it though.  Yes, Gator it is an awful sounding word.

It is a difficult question because we only live one life and really groking (what an awful word) with a woman seems to me like something that would not happen every day or with every gal.   It seems to me though that the real allure of a RW is that it does happen to an extent.  I think the ordeals you go through in the process of courting, going through the processes and helping her adapt can create a bonding that doesn't happen a lot with AW.   I have to go a lot by my relationship with VWRW.  To me we both seem to be much more in touch with each others feelings and thoughts than I have experienced in most other relationships.   I think she too is pretty good at reading me with or without words and I think we both feel a oneness with each other.   I am not very sure any man will ever understand any woman completely but I do think a really good relationship with a RW can be one where there is more groking than one normally finds.  If you didn't have good verbal communication then perhaps it would be tough.   

[SANDRO43]

Remote viewing..Another forward step is used and I've done well with it to move in time and space and look at things that have happened and will happen.

Do you have ESP capabilities ?

[SANDRO43]

Well, I have learned a few new words on RWD but usually they come from Sandro.

I had to look it up too, the only Gro(c)K I had heard before was: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grock.

[oldernotwiser]

Hey Gator

Quoting Gator
Your question is redundant.  A couple would not be happily married unless they could grok.

In most instances I would agree with you,  but I am going to argue that perhaps it is not true in all cases.  You know how men often get compared to dogs.  You know, "men are like dogs".  Well do you suppose a dog could be very happy and not grok it's master.  Now before all of you get upset and say I called you dogs, I want to assure you I am not doing that.  I am just pointing out that happiness and an empathetic, caring, and true understanding of your partner might not happen simultaneously.

Short story, FSUW women I dated surprised me with some knowledge that she had, when I acted surprised she said to me.  "I am book with many chapters, you may never know this book, no matter how many years you study"  not sure I have it word for word, but you get the idea.  Only when she said it, it was much more entertaining.   Anyway, I was wondering, perhaps in her perspective this would be true,  and perhaps no man would truly be able to grok her.

Oh well, it is something that I think would be difficult to prove, do you grok someone.  I am truly delighted though that many of you feel that you do have a good understanding of your mate.  I think this gives me hope that perhaps if I am fortunate, this may happen to me sometime in the future.

[Bruno]

...and looking at the posts of some of FSUW on the board.  Trying to take into account that they are writing in their second language.  I just wonder if it will be possible to truly understand or know them...

Again a language question... we, European, we are lucky... For the main of us, English is the second language... and it seem that we make similar mistake that RW... several time, i was able to understand a post make by a RW when several US people was not able to understand it... by "understand", i mean the meanig, not the word by word translating... sure that people with German base language will have more easy... myself, i see a lot of word in Russian similar to Dutch...

In fact, the problem is not to understand the language but understand the meaning... the hell in Russian language is that they use a lot of sentence that you cannot translate word by word... they are "expression"... you need to understand the full sentence for make a right translation ( goobye online translator who work word by word )...

"word are not important, what they mean are important !"