What do you think?

[George_123]

I just found this posted on craigslist, Title "MUST READ for Americans...."

Hello,
Let's get something straighte here gentlemen before you continue to make incredibly ridiculous fools of yourselves; Russian women have strictly no need for you.

You've got it all not only wrong, but perfectly backwards, and you appear to be the most gullible and idiotic imbeciles on the face of the Earth. Full stop!

Moscow is one of the richest cities in the world, we lack absolutely nothing here...except maybe Walmart but who cares? The USA is clearly not a common dream, we strictly do not care about such a country or its inhabitants, unless you have cash. You believe the opposite due to history, the Cold War, your own blinding paradigms and because you are naive and gullible, just like grown-up children.

Take note of some true points here;

1. Russian women do not pay for American or any other nationality. We are Russian and goddamned proud of it. How can you imagine in your wildest dreams that we would PAY you for American nationality? Are you sick? Are you pathetic dreamers or what?

2. Russian women know how to fool you and make you think about love. It is particularly simple with you Americans...we could sell you ice cubes in the North Pole. The truth is, we want your money and know how to get it. This is our most common objective, although, yes, there are some exceptions and sometimes, rarely, there can be a relationship...even though 9 times out of 10 there are doomed due to cultural differences and one always being homesick. It's totally mission impossible.

3. Your CL ads here are the subject of ridicule and much laughter (thank you for that). We find you to be so immature and naive that it is beyond belief and actually quite humorous. You send picture of yourselves in te most unflattering ways, totallt ill-dressed and your English has errors quite often.

4. You think that by telling us that you have "toys" a house, a car, a dog, a television, that will cause us to swoon with desire and long to meet you and live with you, even if we have to pay for it. ARE YOU RETARDED as an entire nation? We have all that we need here!

5. The myth of the flirtatious, available Russian beauty is so damn funny...it is an organized commerce and you are the customers. Have you not realized that?

6. I suggest you try more sober, serious ads that show a minimum level of maturity and intelligence and cease to send pictures of you and your car or whatever, and attempt to seduce us with intelligence and finesse. That should weed out about 99% of you losers and we could go through the ads a bit quicker.

7. Finally, be forewarned as I make this exceedingly clear; marriage or relationships between Russian women and AMERICANS are extremely rare and are primarily based on a mercantile exchange. You pay for us.

Time to grow up now, you have become the laughing stock of our female population!

Karina

[Enot]

All I can say it is her opinion.  She is probably a scammer and was never serious about finding a foreign husband ... only money.  Yes there are scammers but there are also good women looking for a foreign husband.   One thing she has right is that I hear more and more failed attempts regarding Russian and Ukrainian women.  Life there is getting better and they don't need us ... and never did.  That's why I looked and found my fiancee in Moldova.  Not because they need us but because it SEEMS like they are more willing to start a new life in a foreign country then say a woman from Moscow or Kiev ... just my opinion of course.

For me, the statement is mostly false but has some truth.

[groovlstk]

She may have a chip on her shoulder, but IMHO his woman is spot-on, particularly in #2. Deny it at your own risk.

 

[Enot]

She may have a chip on her shoulder, but IMHO his woman is spot-on, particularly in #2. Deny it at your own risk.

Which Part?

2. Russian women know how to fool you and make you think about love. It is particularly simple with you Americans...we could sell you ice cubes in the North Pole. The truth is, we want your money and know how to get it. This is our most common objective, although, yes, there are some exceptions and sometimes, rarely, there can be a relationship...even though 9 times out of 10 there are doomed due to cultural differences and one always being homesick. It's totally mission impossible.

Men that visit these "Russian Sites" (like RWD) aren't easily fooled.  It is easy to spot scammers that just what money.  If they want a good time ... it takes just 1 trip.  On the other had if they are "Green Card Grabbers" then you could be in some trouble!

I would say 90% failure is very high.

She is right about the homesick part and cultural differences but I know many women from the former Soviet Union that eventually deal with and accept it. 

[catzenmouse]

We've had ample evidence over the years right here on RWD about the men she's speaking of as well as the commercial aspect of getting money from suckers and the overly naive from the many shady agencies out there.

Way more truth to the statement than many may want to believe. "Deny it at your own risk." is worth repeating.

Lots of us here know "many that deal with it and accept it" but we are a very tiny percentage of what is happening out there. This woman's point is made for those thousands of lonely keyboard romeos who will never make the trip, will send money for letters and gifts, to help when mama gets sick, and to help her get her visa "from a friend at a travel agency" so she can come to visit you and shower you with her love.

[Shadow]

The points she mentions are more accurate as many would believe.
This woman is not a scammer, but has an attitude towards Americans that is not uncommon among the 98% of the population that is not interested in a foreign partner.

[Enot]

The points she mentions are more accurate as many would believe.
This woman is not a scammer, but has an attitude towards Americans that is not uncommon among the 98% of the population that is not interested in a foreign partner.

How do you know she isn't a scammer?  It sounds like she is or might have been because she says it is easy to get money from foreign men ("we want your money and know how to get it. This is our most common objective,").

[Shadow]

How do you know she isn't a scammer?  It sounds like she is or might have been because she says it is easy to get money from foreign men ("we want your money and know how to get it. This is our most common objective,").

No scammer would go in to green cards and marriages. 
Far too much trouble to get cash that way. Oh, I guess that I am now a scammer as well. 

[groovlstk]

Men that visit these "Russian Sites" (like RWD) aren't easily fooled.  It is easy to spot scammers that just what money.  If they want a good time ... it takes just 1 trip.  On the other had if they are "Green Card Grabbers" then you could be in some trouble!

I think scammers are the least worry for most guys new to the search. They aren't interested in marriage and eventually even the most clueless guy will eventually realize what's going on.

The crux of what this woman says that guys need to pay attention to is not about scammers or green card girls. The fact that even jaded guys don't want to admit is that a good portion of women looking for Western husbands will marry for reasons other than love. We can debate women's need and desire for a "good provider" and rationalize this behavior, but at the end of the day do you really want to marry a woman who tells you she loves you even though she doesn't? Some posters here in the past have acknowledged being in such relationships and claim they're happy, and consider themselves qualified success stories. I met a number of such women during my search, most I'd classify as good, decent women who were willing to roll the dice with me based on mutual attraction, trust, and hope for a decent future. We all have different needs and I don't wish to sound like I'm speaking for anyone but myself, but I know I'd much rather remain single than be in a marriage that had something other than love as the foundation's concrete.

[Blues Fairy]

Its a pose.  I'd say she's VERY interested in finding a foreign husband, but yells "all boys are idiots" to add more value to herself in her own eyes.  And then she goes:

6. I suggest you try more sober, serious ads that show a minimum level of maturity and intelligence and cease to send pictures of you and your car or whatever, and attempt to seduce us with intelligence and finesse. That should weed out about 99% of you losers and we could go through the ads a bit quicker.

 

[groovlstk]

How do you know she isn't a scammer?  It sounds like she is or might have been because she says it is easy to get money from foreign men ("we want your money and know how to get it. This is our most common objective,").

Why do you think she's a scammer? Because she knows "the inner workings" of scammers?

JB, in all his wisdom, used to point out how such behavior was viewed by many FSU people, who instead of condemning the practice will often consider such enterprising girls as "being clever." Scamming Western men for money and faux romance - I'm speaking very generally here - isn't frowned upon. A girl who has a Western boyfriend whom she manipulates while sharing the gifts her Western bf sends her with her Russian bf while they both laugh at him is admired by her peers, not scorned. With such behavior openly admired by friends and acquaintances, this dirty little secret isn't so secret among Russians.

[Enot]

Shadow and Groovlstk:  Yes I agree that scammers aren't looking for marriage or even a meeting for the most part, they just want your money or a vacation.  I'm saying they are out there and easy to spot to an experienced person that visits these types of forums (like RWD).  My point is, the biggest problem lies with green card grabbers.  You are scammed but can't do anything about it but ride it out and hope for the best.  I know 2 guys that this happened to and they lost just about everything (money, car, and home)!

Groovlstk:  I didn't say she was a scammer, I said "it sounds like" she is or was a scammer.  I have no proof and no one else does either.

[BillyB]

We have all that we need here!

Apparently this person thinks he/she can speak for all Russians but doesn't understand the population in Russia is declining for a reason. People are going else where to take care of their needs.

If I thought my RW only wanted me only for money, I'd dump her. Not all of them are gold diggers.

Many RW may not be openly looking for a Western man but if a Western man approached her, she may then turn on the open sign.

I've seen much better rants from people who are trying to get their point across on Craigslist. Apparently the person who wrote it has been dealing with the worst of the worst of Western men and may have a hard time landing someone with brains who doesn't advertise his toys. The author speaks of men who can't land a women anywhere, not just the losers that target RW.

Sincere and smart RW knows it's about the man that makes the money, not the money that makes the man. Money solves a lot of problems but it doesn't buy happiness and the author insults a lot of RW implying it's what they want to be happy.

[Enot]

Many RW may not be openly looking for a Western man but if a Western man approached her, she may then turn on the open sign.

Very true indeed!  I know a man that went to Saint Petersburg to just do some "sight seeing".  He ended up meeting his wife who had no expectations or meeting or even finding a foreign man for marrige!  They've been married over 2 years now!

[Admin]

Its a pose.  I'd say she's VERY interested in finding a foreign husband, but yells "all boys are idiots" to add more value to herself in her own eyes.  And then she goes:

 

Blues,

You are a diamond among gems.

You picked out the most salient and important phrase of a long diatribe. I hope everyone recognized your critical analysis.

Nicely done!

- Dan

[Jazzyclassy]

I laughed a lot  but of course the most part of her post is not true obviously , I think it was made by her for fun or something, but she did that in a cruel way

[Misha]

I just found this posted on craigslist, Title "MUST READ for Americans...."

Hello,

Karina

In reading the text, it seems to me that this woman is either A) American or B) a Russian who either grew up in the United States or has been there for years. The idioms are quite American and her metaphors and figures of speech are quite unlike any Russian woman I have ever met, even those who were perfectly fluent.