Anastasia

[TomKal]

Hi there

I have been chatting with ladies on Anastasia for one year now and feel that I got very little success. I have been over twice, once in Odessa and once in Kiev and met two different ladies respectively. One I got some contact with but not the other. I learned a lot from both occassions and still am. I also rejected another lady who was on the front page everywhere as a scammer. Guess my surprise when I had been relating her for a month or so, I went into the Google map to get some info about Nikolaev and she was the first thing they showed. And she was a scammer big time so I pulled out. Two days from now I rejected another one who wanted a lot of money to visit me. I did not met this lady on Anastasia though.

My stand is now that I am considering to meet two ladies both non-English speaking in Kharkov. I have my hopes in them but my doubts are many. I have been talking to them for one year in May and they have always been there and they are both wonderful. We now have got a long relation, though through mail and some phone calls but always though an interpreter. I got lots of questions to be answered and would love some support from someone here.

Anyone got some good experience from Anastasia? and is there anyone who got a relation working with a lady not speaking your language, ie that you dont understand? and what approach is recommended in such case?

Thanks in advance
Tom

[BC]

Tom,

Welcome to RWD.

Would like to help you but there are others here who know a lot more than I do about using agencies etc.

They will surely chip in soon so stick around.

Cheers!

[Gator]

TomKal,

Welcome!

Let me start with the positive.  Kharkov is a wonderful city for meeting UW.  You should go (but for reasons to be explained).

That's it for the positive.

Now the negative:

AnastassiaWeb - Wean yourself.  No more fantasies about pretty women who could easily be "professional daters" if they are even real.  Save your money for real women.

Non-English speaking women - Some men try this and a few have married such.  I tried it for one year with a wonderful woman.  However, we could never advance it far enough to marry because 1) we could not have a serious conversation and 2) we had frequent misunderstandings with no way to resolve them.

So I doubt if either of these two women will be an improvement.  Does this mean another lost trip as in Odessa and Kiev?

No!  Because you are going to contact two agencies and find some other women to meet while you are in Kharkov:

 http://www.allbeautiful.net/index.php?page=index

After checking the inventory of women, call the owner "Helen", who speaks excellent English.  She knows most of the women personally and she can get you a good apartment.

Also examine the following agency about three hours away in Dnepropetrovsk:

http://www.cindyagency.com/index.htm

I have used both agencies. 

You now know what to do.  Check it out and come back with some more questions.

[Gator]

Were any of your Odessa and Kiev dates similar to one or more of the types described here:

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?pid=12

[TomKal]

Hi Gator and thanks for the reply

I checked the latter address and I don't believe the ladies I met was scammers. We had some nice time together even though both of us new this was not to be pretty much from the beginning. Nowadays you pretty much see when they are scammers and if you don't see it on them you see it in the text. The last one I though missed and the more you miss the harder the fall. She hurt me pretty hard but I saved some money.

I will fulfil my duties to the ladies I am talking to. I have said I am coming this summer so I owe them this after one years mail relation. I know (think at least) these are not scammers and both of the are sending me pictures they have taken themselves and no one have ever asked me for money. However, the language problem remains and I have "told" them (nicely of course) that they need to practice some English as the problem will be a fact when we meet. In turn I try to learn Russian. Lets see how this one turns out.

As for the other addresses I will give them a call and make up a tight schedule with some more ladies. Thanks for this one. I got the same advice from a friend today. I really need to improve my hit rate. Last trips I met one each trip and which was a bit risky.

Thanks again and I guess I will be back
Tom

[Gator]

TomKal - please read the 10 commandments (under the Main Menu in upper left)

[BillyB]

Hi Tom,

It's not just the scammers, green card girls and pro daters you need to worry about at AnastasiaWeb, it's AnastasiaWeb too. There's no telling how many times you paid to trade love letters with Boris, the employee of the month.

Out of four years of reading forums like this, I know of one man who got engaged with an AWeb lady. That's a poor track record from an agency giant.

When you get tired of AWeb sticking their hand in your pocket and supplying you with a fantasy, move on to another agency.

[Jazzyclassy]

   It's not just the scammers, green card girls and pro daters you need to worry about at AnastasiaWeb, it's AnastasiaWeb too. There's no telling how many times you paid to trade love letters with Boris, the employee of the month     

hahaha I like this one , yeah I think some men are writing letters to some men who work for those sites and know english

I agree with Gator and Billy , follow their advice

[TomKal]

Gentlemen,

Interesting about what you wrote about Anastasia BillyB. To be honest, I have always been skeptic about this site looking at the lots of invitations but in a way it gives some pleasure to talk to the very nice ladies at the site. I have always believed the girls get some money just to write mails to you. So far I got some 3500 invitations and you are probably right that the owner could be many of them. I will probably never know. The 6th commandment must though be the most difficult one to follow!

I feel a bit stupid being the guy who is being tought how to do things here by you guys, but joining this forum have opened my eyes a bit more. I guess I earned it, needed it and thanks for your input.

After reading your first reply - lots of times! - Gator, the russian speaking girls on the Aweb will have to wait. I will give Helen a call and get some more and hopefully more valuable experience...

BR
Tom

[Gator]

Tomkal,

In Kharkov and Dnepropetrovsk, most of the women will not speak English.  Only in the big cities where there is much international commerce os English more prevalent. 

Nevertheless, in the two Ukraine cities, you can find women who know some English.  A woman who knows at least some is showing her motivation to be international.

[Faux Pas]

Gentlemen,

Interesting about what you wrote about Anastasia BillyB. To be honest, I have always been skeptic about this site looking at the lots of invitations but in a way it gives some pleasure to talk to the very nice ladies at the site. I have always believed the girls get some money just to write mails to you. So far I got some 3500 invitations and you are probably right that the owner could be many of them. I will probably never know. The 6th commandment must though be the most difficult one to follow!

I feel a bit stupid being the guy who is being tought how to do things here by you guys, but joining this forum have opened my eyes a bit more. I guess I earned it, needed it and thanks for your input.

After reading your first reply - lots of times! - Gator, the russian speaking girls on the Aweb will have to wait. I will give Helen a call and get some more and hopefully more valuable experience...

BR
Tom

Don't be so hard on yourself. You without a doubt are not the first and certainly won't be the last. Everyone here has something to learn from someone else or they wouldn't here. In fact give yourself a pat on the back. You did eventually seek more information. I would wager many caught in the grip Anastasia give up and move on without ever knowing the truth. Keep reading and asking questions. You'll likely find theres more than one way to skin a cat.

[WmGO]

TomKal,

I agree with what others have said about Anastasia: scam agency.

[TomKal]

Gentlemen

Anastasia??? never heard

Gator, the ladies I have met so far have got interpreter as their English was somewhat poor and they did not understand everything. But as you've been with them for some days you realized they would manage if they tried. I believe they wanted to be safe though and it is understandable but the problem with this is that you sell in second hand. It feels like the interpreter filters everything and you do not get the touch you want on it. The glims in the eye is gone.

This is not a question but a statement and a fact you wont come around easily. Anyone got a working tactic on this I would appriciate this.

I agree though that if they got some vocabulary they show motivation. I dont got a problem with this, just the opposite, its rather charming and challenging.

"Skin a cat"?

BR
Tommy

[WmGO]

It feels like the interpreter filters everything

You will find that that is a common problem with using interpreters
whether for phone conv. or in person on the ground. That is why
you need to have your own interpreter - or better, a woman who
can at least speak a little English.

[TomKal]

WmGO

A little English is okay for me. The interpreter has always been hers. Have you had your own?

Tommy

[tim 360]

Tom, With scam operations like this one I think you are wasting your time and money.  Not only will the agencies interperter keep you on the line and milk you and filter whatever the girl says to churn more $---you have absolutely no idea if you are really talking to the girl you think you are talking to?   :selfharm:  They could easily have ANYONE posing on the phone as the girl you send emails to.  Cut bait.

[myrddin]

The 6th commandment must though be the most difficult one to follow!

It's okay to appreciate photos, just don't let them blind you to the person behind them   

I feel a bit stupid being the guy who is being tought how to do things here by you guys, but joining this forum have opened my eyes a bit more. I guess I earned it, needed it and thanks for your input.

Don't feel bad: being open to learning from people who know more than you about something puts you way ahead of a very large number of people. 

[Gator]

The 6th commandment must though be the most difficult one to follow!

It's okay to appreciate photos, just don't let them blind you to the person behind them   

True, but there is more to it. 

Do not get so worked up before you meet the woman.  The first five minutes of a meeting can void 100 letters.  You do not have a relationship until you meet and spend time together.

There is still more, a man can be so infatuated before he meets that he overlooks some incompatibilities and red flags, and continues to waste his time with a fantasy when some better women were a phone call away.

I mentioned the agency Cindy, and I have spent time in their cramped office and have seen how the letter writing is done. 

-  Cindy office receives the email that you have sent to a particular UW.

-  An interpreter calls your UW and reads the letter.

-  The UW asks a couple of questions and makes some comments to the interpreter.

-  The interpreter edits the UW's into a letter to you (these are done quickly because an interpreter is paid less than $1 by Cindy per each letter - from a few years ago).

-  This is repeated through a few cycles.  The UW may or may not come by the Cindy office to look at your profile and photo. 

-  If you have written 3 letters, Cindy will allow the UW to give you her telephone number so that you can retain your own American-based interpreter (for a lower cost, better connection and better analysis).

-  Also, if you have written a UW three times, Cindy will arrange the first meeting for no charge other than their interpreter.

-  When you travel Cindy to meet some UW, all Cindy women expect that you will be meeting multiple women.

So even at Cindy, you are reading a letter filtered through an interpreter.  Can you imagine how it goes  at Anastassia Web?!

[tim 360]

Gator and myriddin had some good points for you and Cindy is not even really a scam agency.  Don't put too much faith in letter writing as nothing can compare with the reality of meeting in person.

Here, I'll give you a true story from about 4 years ago.  After about 1 and 1/4 years of hundreds of emails and phone calls (agency interperter) a 37 year old guy has absolutely fallen in love with his "soulmate".  This is love with a capital "L".  His job does not give him alot of vacation time but he must finally meet his soulmate who has been oozing the very same sentiments in letter and in phone calls.  Finally he must go to meet his love and soulmate.  He takes his measley one week vacation and decides he will go over his ration and email his job that he is running late by 5 days.

He takes his trip and meets the girl in front of a restaurant.  He sees her from 50 feet away and as she draws closer she sees him waving to her.  She stops.  She looks down at her shoes.  She keeps looking down at her shoes as he approaches.  They have dinner and she is very distant.  They have a cold and distant dinner and she leaves and he now knows that there is no chance and it was all a game.  They were not the soulmates he had believed them to be, nor on her side either.  After a day or 2 he visits some agencies to possibly meet some other girls.

He stays a few days past his vacation and arrives  5 or 6 days late for work, only to discover that since he was AWOL...he has been fired from his job.

You don't want to be this guy.

[AnastassiaAsh]

It is sad but some times the same guy doesn't even want to get help or listen, no matter how many clue bats or warnings. And so that's why that kind of lesson maybe was necessary for him...But some also say: If I only had found you 4-5 years ago! 

[Faux Pas]

"Skin a cat"?

BR
Tommy

Tommy,

It's an old adage here in the south referring to, theres more than one way to solve that problem. It would appear to me your problem was attempting to communicate through Anastasia. I had a similar experience through Globalladies. For me that was a disappearing act for $200. Then I caught on rather quickly and decided there must be a better way and there was. GL was a bit of a different hook, but a hook nonetheless

[TomKal]

Hi there

Thanks for your input people and I appreciate your engagement a lot. Talking to others makes you vise, but sometimes you forget it and your blind.

Thanks again,
Tommy

[Gator]

Tom,

I have another alternative.  If you are not traveling until this summer, you have time to use Elena's Models.  With EM you can be sure that you are corresponding directly with real women.  You can progress quickly to telephone calls too. 

Most of the EM women are from Russia; yet many are from Ukraine.  English proficiency is reported for each woman and can be a search parameter.

A Gold membership costs only about $100 or a little more.

[TomKal]

Hi Gator

I have been there for a while but not very active. I got some replies and had some discussions with a few ladies which though ended for different reasons. It is a good site I agree but I am not a gold member. I noticed that the gold makes things easier but have never tried it.

Intead I went with your earlier recommendation as I have targeted Kharkov. It seem to be an interesting city and I therefore got assigned to their individual matching program and put some hope into this. It makes things somewhat easier and if it doesn't work, I believe it will be a pleasant stay in any case. Let's see how it turns out.

Thanks
Tom