How Different?

[ian80au]

I'm just wondering how different it is to "court" if that's the correct word a Russian Lady and is it easier or harder that it would a local girl

[I/O]

Ian: FWIW, don't even bother to find out.

I/O

[Turboguy]

Easier or harder in what way?   If a girl lives 2 miles away it is definately easier to court them than if they live a few thousand miles away.   Women there are more looking for marriage than for someone to party with (with some exceptions).   Courting is harder.  Getting married is more complicated but easier in terms of finding someone. 

I have to agree with I/O.  If you are worried about the difficulty you may want to stay with local gals but I really would like to understand the context of your question before I pass judgement on that.

[catzenmouse]

Distance - Harder

Language - Harder

Culture - Harder

Immigration & Visas - Harder

Taking Someone Away From Everything They Know - Harder

There's more but they all end in "- Harder"

[BC]

It's like one of those stores that have no price tag on the items they sell.  Seen many in Rome, Milan, and other places.

If you have to ask the price (not necessarily monetary value) you're probably best not walking in.

The difference between a local girl and foreign relationship is like lineal vs exponential.

[Misha]

Distance - Harder
Language - Harder
Culture - Harder
Immigration & Visas - Harder
Taking Someone Away From Everything They Know - Harder
There's more but they all end in "- Harder"

Pretty much. Also, if you don't invest (and by invest I don't just mean money, but also time and energy) in one area, you will have to spend elsewhere. In my case, I learned Russian, so it was a lot easier to date in Russia. However, learning Russian took years of effort and much time spent in Russia. Most men can't do this or don't want to devote so much time and energy to this endeavor, so they invariable spend more elsewhere.

[BC]

Most men can't do this or don't want to devote so much time and energy to this endeavor, so they invariable spend more elsewhere.

Hopefully not in divorce court.

[Misha]

Hopefully not in divorce court.

You read my mind LOL 

[2tallbill]

Distance - Harder

Language - Harder

Culture - Harder

Immigration & Visas - Harder

Taking Someone Away From Everything They Know - Harder

There's more but they all end in "- Harder"

C&M hit the nail on the head but also add in many dollars.
If you don't really really want to do this then you will not
have a chance. That is why I/O gave you the reply that he
did.

Udachi (good luck)

Bill

 

[I/O]

C&M hit the nail on the head but also add in many dollars.
If you don't really really want to do this then you will not
have a chance. That is why I/O gave you the reply that he
did.

Udachi (good luck)

Bill

Bill: Not quite. The answers to the posters questions are contained over and over, who knows how many times here on the board, not to mention the FAQ section. IMO a guy who has done no research before asking such a question/s has little to no chance of making any real progress in this type of persuit.

I/O

[2tallbill]

Bill: Not quite. The answers to the posters questions are contained over and over, who knows how many times here on the board, not to mention the FAQ section. IMO a guy who has done no research before asking such a question/s has little to no chance of making any real progress in this type of persuit.

I/O

I apologize, I should speak for myself only.

Bill

[mac1165]

I'm just wondering how different it is to "court" if that's the correct word a Russian Lady and is it easier or harder that it would a local girl

Since you specified the word "court", I believe it is much easier to do with a Russian/Ukrainian lady.  From my experience, I had nothing but problems when dating locally, that's when I was lucky enough to even find a first date.  Then, you're in for the classic dating game.  When you contact a foreign lady, they pretty much know that your ultimate intention is marriage (assuming that you're honest).  I met two ladies, one in Russia and another in Ukraine, and never felt like I was "dating" them, just getting to know them.  I also believe that Russian/Ukrainian ladies tend to not be as critical about looks in deciding whether or not she will give a foreign man a chance. 

On the other hand, there's nothing easy about "the process" of meeting a foreign lady and bringing her to your home country.  You have to be patient and really want it to happen.  Of course, you want to be sure that the lady you're communicating with is also sincere.  You absolutely must meet her several times, meet her family and friends, and learn some Russian, the more the better.  Your decision making is more focused on marriage and your conversations should reflect this.

In the end, it was all worth it for me.  I have a wonderful Ukrainian wife and we've been married for four years now.  It has been difficult at times, but we are both stronger for it. 

[Ronnie]

Finding a woman in FSU is like an expedition into unknown forest.  It takes guts, perseverance and the agility to react to unexpected encounters.  You must also be aware of wolves, including those who impersonate other life forms.  All that makes it exciting and stimulates the "hunter" response in men.  It's why AW's don't engage in it hardly at all.

Is it worth it once the hunt is over?  Depends on how good a hunter you were. 

What you will never get from an international marriage, and this came from my son (one of his few pearls of wisdom), is the ability to sit on the front porch at retirement and talk about the good old days in Australia.  In short, you will never have the full spectrum of life experience about which to reminisce like you would have with an Australian woman.

[groovlstk]

Finding a woman in FSU is like an expedition into unknown forest.  It takes guts, perseverance and the agility to react to unexpected encounters.  You must also be aware of wolves, including those who impersonate other life forms.  All that makes it exciting and stimulates the "hunter" response in men.  It's why AW's don't engage in it hardly at all.

I'd say for a good portion of those "hunters" out there prowling the FSU, their primary motivation is desperation 

[Ronnie]

I'd say for a good portion of those "hunters" out there prowling the FSU, their primary motivation is desperation 

Care to elaborate?

[groovlstk]

Care to elaborate?

I don't think this is news to guys who've spent a good amount of time in Russia or Ukraine - or even on various boards - but there are many, many Western men who turn to the FSU out of desperation. They will complain ad infinitum about American women, how they are fat, too independent, too spoiled, etc. etc. when their bitterness stems from the fact that these same local women have absolutely no interest in them romantically or sexually. Then, they write and visit Russian or Ukrainian women who are equally desperate, albeit for different reasons, and suddenly they feel like rock stars and believe they have some amazing innate qualities that American women can't see or appreciate, but FSU women can . Hence the glorification of FSU women's traditional values, love of family, and affinity for cozy homes and "shaping."

My wife and I have been fortunate in that all of the married couples and most of the single guys we've welcomed into our home have been wonderful, but having seen plenty of social misfits on the prowl in the FSU I have no illusions about the general quality of many men involved in this pursuit.

[Ronnie]

My wife and I have been fortunate in that all of the married couples and most of the single guys we've welcomed into our home have been wonderful, but having seen plenty of social misfits on the prowl in the FSU I have no illusions about the general quality of many men involved in this pursuit.

What does "plenty" mean?  You say most of the single guys you've met are wonderful.  That's been my experience too.  Are there social misfits prowling FSU?  Sure, I've seen them when I bumped into them when the  AFA and EC tours came to town, (hell, maybe I'm one after two divorces!) but the individuals whom I've met both there and here are overhwhelmingly of higher caliber than a typical cross section of male society. 

I therefore don't understand your negative comments when you admit your own experience shows otherwise.

[groovlstk]

I therefore don't understand your negative comments when you admit your own experience shows otherwise.

That is not what I stated, please read my post more carefully.

My wife and I have been fortunate in that all of the married couples and most of the single guys we've welcomed into our home have been wonderful, but having seen plenty of social misfits on the prowl in the FSU I have no illusions about the general quality of many men involved in this pursuit.

[Andrew]

Don't be a chicken!
Either you're in it or not
BUT
You have to be in it to win it.
I can tell you that you will sweat blood........
Do you believe me?
Research it properly, experience it yourself but if you're only half cocked then don't
waste the time.
Your glass is half empty isn't it?...............
Better to stay at home IMO

[Ronnie]

Okay,
I guess you're right because a "good portion" as you put it is undefined.  To me it meant "most" but to you it could be a "good portion" but still be a minority.  That has been my experience also, that it was a minority who seemed like they may not have had options in their own country.  Actually, they had options but they options were better in FSU.  And, isn't that true for all of us, unless our name happens to be Brad Pitt or Kevin Costner?