Antidate site has been hacked, 2nd time in 2 days

[Zmejka]

Antidate forum was hacked by Kim Nemri, Monaco and his friends - this sign you'll see if you look at the main page of the forum http://www.forum.antidate.org/
The story is that one girl put that Kim Nemri in the "Doubtful people" section - so he was not in Black list or on the Board of Shame. Several girls provided also that they met him, there were not so nice moments about his behavior, so the whole story seemed fishy. Then started coming threatens by "qy" to Kvinna to delete the topic about him - in April, like it's in controversion with criminal code of Russia etc. In May threatens repeated - from "chizar" - in a very unpleasant manner - first he wrote: it's all not true what is written in this topic, it was written by a girl who wants to revenge on me because i'm dealing with pornosites, so delete this topic or you'll regret. He wrote to the hosting site of Antidate with a compliant to close the forum, but hosting didn't do it. Then he started sending threatens - Kvinna, i'm not a boy, but admin of 7 large sites, you don't know what you're getting into, if I were Kim Nemri i would strip a few thousands dollars off you - too pity i'm not him (so confessing here he lied in the first message), your forum won't exist for a long time, be prepared... It was on 29th of May. So it's still unclear what he and the first threatener have to do with Kim Nemri if they're not him - may be he paid them to hack the site.
The same day, 29th of May the site was hacked for the first time, somebody put a program that deleted all folders with logs to the forum on the hosting site. But luckily hosting had a daily back-up. The story about Kim (in Russian) could be found on the main page of the forum if you click on the links provided.
And 31st of May it happened again. And now in the guest book of forum http://guest.antidate.org/crackguest.php the first threatener "qy" beggs to delete the topic, he's very persistant - he got to the point of almost offering money for it and at the same time threating to post photos of admin on different sites on the internet including porno ones if the topic stays. Still he claims that he has nothing to do with hacking, LOL

Such a story...

[Makkin]

  Well it seems that sometimes anti is not able to communicate on a certain level with men but hopefully they will be able to understand that some people have the abilities to cause harm to sites.
   I'm wondering if the side door was method of choice?

Makkin

[Admin]

Antidate forum was hacked by Kim Nemri, Monaco and his friends - this sign you'll see if you look at the main page of the forum http://www.forum.antidate.org/
The story is that one girl put that Kim Nemri in the "Doubtful people" section - so he was not in Black list or on the Board of Shame. Several girls provided also that they met him, there were not so nice moments about his behavior, so the whole story seemed fishy. Then started coming threatens by "qy" to Kvinna to delete the topic about him - in April, like it's in controversion with criminal code of Russia etc. In May threatens repeated - from "chizar" - in a very unpleasant manner - first he wrote: it's all not true what is written in this topic, it was written by a girl who wants to revenge on me because i'm dealing with pornosites, so delete this topic or you'll regret. He wrote to the hosting site of Antidate with a compliant to close the forum, but hosting didn't do it. Then he started sending threatens - Kvinna, i'm not a boy, but admin of 7 large sites, you don't know what you're getting into, if I were Kim Nemri i would strip a few thousands dollars off you - too pity i'm not him (so confessing here he lied in the first message), your forum won't exist for a long time, be prepared... It was on 29th of May. So it's still unclear what he and the first threatener have to do with Kim Nemri if they're not him - may be he paid them to hack the site.
The same day, 29th of May the site was hacked for the first time, somebody put a program that deleted all folders with logs to the forum on the hosting site. But luckily hosting had a daily back-up. The story about Kim (in Russian) could be found on the main page of the forum if you click on the links provided.
And 31st of May it happened again. And now in the guest book of forum http://guest.antidate.org/crackguest.php the first threatener "qy" beggs to delete the topic, he's very persistant - he got to the point of almost offering money for it and at the same time threating to post photos of admin on different sites on the internet including porno ones if the topic stays. Still he claims that he has nothing to do with hacking, LOL

Such a story...

I am, sincerely, sorry to learn that.

AD has a place, and they obviously have a lot of people who feel comfortable there and choose to participate there.

To run a significant site like AD and RWD requires a lot of dedication and time (and money) from the owners and management team.

While it is pretty easy to simply 'throw up' a site - it is an entirely different matter to keep a site professionally run and stable for the long term.

I hope they are able to ID the culprits who hacked the site and can take action against them. There is no excuse for that kind of behavior.

- Dan

[Shadow]

Only one answer to hackers, and that is a big boot.

[rose]

I would like to support AD in this topic.
I know, girls from there sometimes act pretty ruff; not always it is easy to communicate with them, but as far as I know they always try to do their best in posting into the "honorable" lists only those, who really deserved it. I know situations when men were posted and later, as a result of the discussion taken away from the "black list", because Kvinna would come to the conclusion that they didn't deserve to be posted there.
It seems like those who were hired to hack AD used Kvinna's login information; they accessed emails of the members of AD and started sending them spam, later they accessed the private section of the forum and opened it to the public. For some reason other moderators couldn't stop them. After this the desision was made to close the entire forum temporarily and to contact the police.
I would like to emphasize that a lot of private information of innocent people was disclosed.
Later, hackers started threaten Kvinna and insist on the removal of the topic about Kim Nemri or the site will be constantly hacked. They also tried to blackmail Kvinna, but we all know well that there can be no compromises with blackmailers.
AD always was following its principles, it made a huge impact on international dating, and helped a lot of people. Kvinna and Palette wrote that despite of everything Antidate will exist, and that they believe that hackers will be punished (as I understand they already know the names). And also they said that they are not going to compromise with blackmailers.

[Admin]

I would like to support AD in this topic.
I know, girls from there sometimes act pretty ruff; not always it is easy to communicate with them, but as far as I know they always try to do their best in posting into the "honorable" lists only those, who really deserved it. I know situations when men were posted and later, as a result of the discussion taken away from the "black list", because Kvinna would come to the conclusion that they didn't deserve to be posted there.
It seems like those who were hired to hack AD used Kvinna's login information; they accessed emails of the members of AD and started sending them spam, later they accessed the private section of the forum and opened it to the public. For some reason other moderators couldn't stop them. After this the desision was made to close the entire forum temporarily and to contact the police.
I would like to emphasize that a lot of private information of innocent people was disclosed.
Later, hackers started threaten Kvinna and insist on the removal of the topic about Kim Nemri or the site will be constantly hacked. They also tried to blackmail Kvinna, but we all know well that there can be no compromises with blackmailers.
AD always was following its principles, it made a huge impact on international dating, and helped a lot of people. Kvinna and Palette wrote that despite of everything Antidate will exist, and that they believe that hackers will be punished (as I understand they already know the names). And also they said that they are not going to compromise with blackmailers.

I just checked, and it looks like AD is back online again. 

I know there are people who dislike AD - and to be candid, there have been some posts there that disturbed me greatly.

RWD, and me personally, have taken some 'heat' because we seek to find common ground with Antidate. So be it.

Kvinna, Fiorella, Elen and others who manage Antidate are sometimes quite difficult for us (at RWD) to understand - BUT - every time I have ever tried to engage Kvinna in an exchange, she has been willing to listen and to work with me. She has always met me someplace in the middle of the issues we have faced. I greatly appreciate that.

Let this be a message of support for Antidate. No, it is not universal support as I continue to find their blacklisting practice as fraught with flaws of principle and ethic (as I do *ALL* blacklist sites) - HOWEVER - there can be no doubt that Antidate provides a useful and valuable purpose for many, and RWD will continue to support, and collaborate, with Antidate whenever it makes sense.

Congrats to Kvinna and company for getting the site back online quickly!

- Dan

[Jet]

Just a quick note to show empathy for AntiDate, it's management team, and it's members. I'm really very sorry to hear of the attacks and hope those at fault for the crime are caught and punished. For anyone else who thinks "ohh, they had it coming" I'd like to suggest that there are people out there that think the same way about this forum and it might just as easily happen here, if those that hate what this forum promotes have enough skill to get past all the security measures.

Glad to see the site is up and running again now 

[catzenmouse]

Glad to hear AD is up and running again!

Let's hope those who perpetrated this will get their just reward plus a few dozen lashes to boot!!!

[Kvinna]

Thank you, Dan, thank you guys for kind words

[Zmejka]

Thanks so much for supporting and wishing well, AD is back and hopefully won't be gone anywhere soon

[Bruno]

Only one answer to hackers, and that is a big boot.

I support hackers... so, you know where you can put your big foot... without hackers, you will not have internet, open source software, Apple computer ( Steve Wozniak was a hardware hacker )...

Of cource, if in your quote, you change the word "hackers" by "crackers", i will agree with you !

Some quote from http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc1392.txt :

hacker : A person who delights in having an intimate understanding of the internal workings of a system, computers and computer networks in particular.  The term is often misused in a pejorative context, where "cracker" would be the correct term.

cracker : A cracker is an individual who attempts to access computer systems without authorization.  These individuals are often malicious, as opposed to hackers, and have many means at their disposal for breaking into a system.

Some more reading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacker_Ethic

From "How to become a hacker" http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html#what_is

What Is a Hacker?

The Jargon File contains a bunch of definitions of the term ‘hacker’, most having to do with technical adeptness and a delight in solving problems and overcoming limits. If you want to know how to become a hacker, though, only two are really relevant.

There is a community, a shared culture, of expert programmers and networking wizards that traces its history back through decades to the first time-sharing minicomputers and the earliest ARPAnet experiments. The members of this culture originated the term ‘hacker’. Hackers built the Internet. Hackers made the Unix operating system what it is today. Hackers run Usenet. Hackers make the World Wide Web work. If you are part of this culture, if you have contributed to it and other people in it know who you are and call you a hacker, you're a hacker.

The hacker mind-set is not confined to this software-hacker culture. There are people who apply the hacker attitude to other things, like electronics or music — actually, you can find it at the highest levels of any science or art. Software hackers recognize these kindred spirits elsewhere and may call them ‘hackers’ too — and some claim that the hacker nature is really independent of the particular medium the hacker works in. But in the rest of this document we will focus on the skills and attitudes of software hackers, and the traditions of the shared culture that originated the term ‘hacker’.

There is another group of people who loudly call themselves hackers, but aren't. These are people (mainly adolescent males) who get a kick out of breaking into computers and phreaking the phone system. Real hackers call these people ‘crackers’ and want nothing to do with them. Real hackers mostly think crackers are lazy, irresponsible, and not very bright, and object that being able to break security doesn't make you a hacker any more than being able to hotwire cars makes you an automotive engineer. Unfortunately, many journalists and writers have been fooled into using the word ‘hacker’ to describe crackers; this irritates real hackers no end.

The basic difference is this: hackers build things, crackers break them.

The SMF engine used for these forum is from opensource ( hackers )... internet like we know is from hacker of the MIT... Linux/GNU is from hackers... etc ... hackers are good guys... crackers, pirates, etc are the bad one...

So, try to use the right term next time, in place of insult a honest communauty

In some way, i think that Shadow is some hacker too... if i good remember, he was part of the team who have help Dan to resolve some problem withing these forum at the beginning...

EDIT : I am sorry for what have happe to AD... but they use IPboard who is a closed software... what have happen to them is called a security breach... for a SMF board like here, you submit the problem and the opensource communauty will try to resolve the problem... if you are a hacker yourself, you can modify the code and correct the security hole... but in closed source, you need to wait the next version, without be sure that problem will be resolved... for info, commercial software is possible with opensource... IBM, HP, SUN, APPLE are some of the brand who support opensource... sure that these cracker have use a already documented but not resolved security hole... maybe you can find someone who build a security layer between the antidate forum and the internet... by example, if i good remember, Dan office computer are using windows but he use a linux box ( Mandriva ? ) for hosting a strong firewall who can stop outside attack... since security problem is more a hosting problem, maybe some speaking with your host is needed... on your side, change the admin password on a daily base... a brutteforce attack can find a password in a few hours... specialy if they use bot ( personal computer infected with trojan and used for make attack from several IP in the same time )...