Looking for country girl

[ScottinCrimea]

The best choice is to look around if you understand that the price for younger-prettier-more educated etc is the color of your passports guys.
I am sure you do understand it.

Sorry to disagree, but I got a prettier, younger more educated wife and if it was just for my blue passport I sure fooled her, because I moved to Ukraine.

[Ooooops]

... because I moved to Ukraine.

Yes, but you always have the return ticket back to paradise.   

[Jack]

By the way, "sexy Russian accent " doesn't last long so don't count on it  

It started wearing off about 7-8 years down the road, now, after almost 16 years away from Russia, nobody can place me on the map  

ahhhhh, ONLY 7-8 years.

And what a wonderful 7 or 8 years it will be.   I actually think it's longer, but if it were only 7-8 years, if it were only 2 or 3 years, they would be wonderful years.

[Misha]

Yes, but you always have the return ticket back to paradise.   

I have to agree with Ooooops there. Scott, if you were to renounce your American citizenship before your wife got her American green card/citizenship, then that would have been a more powerful statement

[ScottinCrimea]

I have to agree with Ooooops there. Scott, if you were to renounce your American citizenship before your wife got her American green card/citizenship, then that would have been a more powerful statement

It wasn't necessary to make a more powerful statement because it was never a consideration for her.  At the time we got engaged, it was my intention to never return to the US and she had no desire to do so.  Even now that we are spending some time in the US and she has had the chance to experience it, she still prefers to return to live in Ukraine.  She has no desire to have a US passport and it's only my insistence based on the travel advantages that allow her to even consider it.  If this was her primary goal, she could have easily found a willing blue passport holder.

I've heard from several here that their wives have no interest in getting US citizenship, so I don't think my wife is the only exception.  Many here seem to think that a US passport is some kind of golden ring that everyone else in the world covets and it just isn't so.

[OlgaH]

Felix, like Misha, and others, I have come to the conclusion that trying to talk sense with OlgaH is like talking to a brick wall  and a complete waste of one's time.

Jack, I don't know who others are,    but you are still trying to wiggle with your answer

So, the question still is

Do you agree or disagree with Misha that most of you, men who are looking for a life partner, go around the world just because your looks and assets do not let you to date and marry a local woman and you cover it with other reasons as to find " a woman of culture and class, elegance and grace, that you cannot find at home"?

Do you want to say that guys on this board, guys who are looking for a life partner, go around the world just because their looks and assets do not let them to date and marry a local woman?

Most times yes, and most times they will claim other reasons

Jack, just say either you "agree" or "disagree" and make  sense with your clear straight answer    Can you?

[felix8787]

Felix, like Misha, and others, I have come to the conclusion that trying to talk sense with OlgaH is like talking to a brick wall
and a complete waste of one's time.

Yeah I'm starting to get that feeling also Jack.
I read this that she wrote:

He did not mentioned the looks and assets as the main reason, but he also did not say that he disagrees with Misha

referring to your quote: Quote from: Jack on Today at 02:36:30 PM
Most of us are seeking a beautiful and fit woman of culture and class, elegance and grace, that we cannot find at home.  And of course that sexy Russian accent doesn't hurt.
But yet you have already given your answer:

I have not read all of Misha's post to say I will agree or disagree with what he has posted, but if you ask that same question to me I guess I did not make my opinion clear to you from my previous post (going back to what Misha said in trying to communicate with you) .

My answer to your question would be   YES.   provided you add women who are beautiful, fit, are women of culture and class, elegance and grace. 

I know of NO American/Canadian men who would travel to Russia or Ukraine seeking an unattracive, un-fit woman of little or no class or culture. That American/Canadian man can find thousands of those type of women without leaving his local city.

Can't understand why she is obessed with whether you agree or disagree with what Misha has posted to make your answer more clearer then what you have already posted  .

felix8787

[OlgaH]

Can't understand why she is obessed with whether you agree or disagree with what Misha has posted to make your answer more clearer then what you have already posted  .

felix8787

I will base my answer on the article 

“Moscow changed,” laments Bragg, who runs his agency, First Dream, out of his hometown of Dallas. “The girls, they were becoming more choosy. If you were after some hottie, it was going to cost you more.” ndeed, the best place to find Russian brides is no longer Russia. It’s Ukraine. And not just anywhere in Ukraine. Best to head straight for the postindustrial wasteland of Kharkiv or Lugansk, in the east. “We take advantage of the economical situation,” Bragg explains. “In any area where the economics are declining, these girls are looking to leave."


http://men.style.com/gq/features/full?id=content_6700&pageNum=2

Misha probably is right with his answer that most time the men even on this board look for a woman abroad, more over for an attractive woman, because their looks and assets don't let them get such woman in their own country, and the men simply try to take advantage of the economical situation, but they cover it with other reasons as Misha has said: "search for a more traditional woman, cultured women, etc..."  Misha's "etc" is also includes attractiveness, class, elegance and grace, all that epithets are  just a cover for the main reason that they don't want to mention 

So, probably I should consider Jack's answer on my question as a proof that men on this board and also who are clients of Jack's agency First Dream, most time take advantage of the economical situation  They can not get hotties locally and even in Moscow because it is too costly for them, more over the local hotties as the Moscow hotties are more choosy 

My answer to your question would be   YES. 

[Ooooops]

She has no desire to have a US passport and it's only my insistence based on the travel advantages that allow her to even consider it. 

Exactly.   If to leave patriotic things aside then freedom of travel is a huge bonus that comes from blue passport.   Well, unless you wanna go to North Korea and then you screwed.   

BTW, ain't Ukrainians have to surrender their citizenship if they take another one?

[Ooooops]

And what a wonderful 7 or 8 years it will be.   I actually think it's longer, but if it were only 7-8 years, if it were only 2 or 3 years, they would be wonderful years.

Every cloud has a silver lining.   Think positive.   Glass is half full.   

[elliott]

Do you agree or disagree with Misha that most of you, men who are looking for a life partner, go around the world just because your looks and assets do not let you to date and marry a local woman and you cover it with other reasons as to find " a woman of culture and class, elegance and grace, that you cannot find at home"?

I agree with this.

As a 30yr old blue collar guy, I'd go to Europe or the old Soviet bloc to find a smokin' hot supermodel kind of girl that, realistically, I couldn't get in the states.  I just joined elenasmodels.com, so maybe I'll end up with one, eventually.

[Diplomacy]

Exactly.   If to leave patriotic things aside then freedom of travel is a huge bonus that comes from blue passport.   Well, unless you wanna go to North Korea and then you screwed.   

BTW, ain't Ukrainians have to surrender their citizenship if they take another one?

Ukrain allows dual citizenship and so does the USA.

[Ooooops]

As a 30yr old blue collar guy, I'd go to Europe or the old Soviet bloc to find a smokin' hot supermodel kind of girl that, realistically, I couldn't get in the states.  I just joined elenasmodels.com, so maybe I'll end up with one, eventually.

And when you get her - will you be able to keep her?   

[Ooooops]

Ukrain allows dual citizenship and so does the USA.

In accord with the Constitution of Ukraine, single citizenship is being exercised in the country. Ukraine does not support the idea of multiple citizenries since a person is not capable to equally efficiently use the rights and bear responsibilities with regard to several states. If a Ukrainian citizen acquired citizenship (nationality) of another country or countries, in legal relations with Ukraine he/she is treated as the citizen of exclusively Ukraine. The same concerns an alien that acquired Ukrainian citizenship who is regarded in legal relations with this country as Ukrainian subject only.

http://www.mfa.gov.ua/mfa/en/273.htm

But you are correct, no need to surrender Ukrainian passport.

[Diplomacy]

Man my lawyer is going to get an earful.  Lucky he is good.  He told me they do allow.  I guess he meant the surrender not needing to surrender passport.

[Diplomacy]

Olga:

Dallas is chock full of pretty women.  I would say on par with FSU women.  IMO a lot of the men here are successful in life.  That being said for me it is all of the elements.  It is attractive, smart, funny, cultured, elegant, and family oriented for me.

IMO it takes a lot of people a lot of years to move up the ladder.  Be it University, paying your dues, or just time to do it well.  If the culture in the FSU has a group of women that prefer mature men.  They have all those attributes, and they have at least a decent chance of finding a husband that will be involved and help with all aspects of a family.  It is a win, win situation. 

My friend is 17 years older then his wife.  She is my age, he is still my friend.  I take advice from people that have what I want in a situation.  People that have years on them tend to have a lot more to offer in a situation.  I want a great family, I talk to my friends and people that have a great family.

I can see why some women would seek that type of man as a husband.  Just like I seek them out as mentors and friends.  They have a wonderful marriage, she is a citizen.  Has been for over 5 years now, so if she had an exit strategy I think it would have been done by now.

They are both great, and she is all of the things I said.  Everyone is lucky in their eyes, and they fought like hell to get it that way.  He is not rich, low 6 figure player like me, she is a teacher. 

If the OMG crew just wanted a trophy wife, then they would probably not be on the boards helping others attain what you and they have.  They would be out on the town with a FSU beauty.

If anything in a social and business setting a mail order bride does not bode well on the husband in some peoples eyes.

[Jumper]

Olga, stereotyping never sits well with anyone..
particiular the group being stereotyped.. lol
(in this case the western husband who married a foriegner?)

for example : a lot "could" be stereotyped about RW marrying abroad,
(and they wouldn't like it much either ).Regardless , much of it would be generally accurate. 

 individiually though it would be  a different story.
and very unfair to paint them with all the same broad brush!

The same is true for the stereotyping of the Western  husbands.

not every western husband married abroad because he couldn't find a quality woman in his own country.
and would seem to be a bit insulting to the Russian women who married them?

I never found a shortage of smart, funny, beautiful, wiomen in the united states,
but i never held any womans  age,, or nationality against them
( two arguments that are so common here)


The original poster said:

Unfortunately western women as far as I am concerned are more materialistic and less family oriented. That is why so many marriages end up in divorce.

Thank-you all for the wonderful advice.

I belong to Anastasia International.

Hope you all are lucky enough to find that someone special. I will keep looking.

you came here for advise.. and i think got a bit of good stuff !

i've been married 5 years.. or so,, and yes feel very lucky.

all i can add
1. Anastasia Int is likely going to impede and decrease  your chances of success, not increase them.
go with another agency (or several) or find better way sto mak econtact,
they are out there, learn, read, educate yourself about all the various ways to meet RW.

IMHO anastasia int, is perhaps the very worst way,
 and has a poor  business model.
(well it's a good biz model , if you are them)

a funny side note:
my wife was listed with ant int.
she did not know she was listed in thier web pages or i nthier catalogs,,
and i did not meet her thru them.
but we did see her photo in thier catalog years after we were married

2. if you base finding somone from another culture and country ,  off not liking the women in your own
its simply not a good place to start.

You may find that RW are often equally materialistic or status concious to thier sisters in the west.
(some less, some more so)
*They* can be more ,or less , family oriented.
If you marry, you will marry an individual, not a culture or nationality.

finding a great partner in the west , is difficult?
 finding one in another culture and language ,particularly when you have the immigration limitations that are present in Canada,
isn't going to be any easier, and likely more difficult.

with that held firmly in your mind ,and deciding you want to then still proceed, you might have a chance.

if you go into this with an expectation of it being easier..  your odds decrease greatly.

good luck.





 

[Lily]

  finding one in another culture and language ,particularly when you have the immigration limitations that are present in Canada,
isn't going to be any easier, and likely more difficult.
 

Sorry for a bit off-topic, why do you tell 'immigration limitations' to Canada? I am watching the situation rather carefully, and I would not say that prioritizing some professions is a limitation. Canada remains the country with the mildest immigration conditions in the world, FSU people use it rather extensively, as far as I could watch it here. 

[Misha]

Sorry for a bit off-topic, why do you tell 'immigration limitations' to Canada? I am watching the situation rather carefully, and I would not say that prioritizing some professions is a limitation. Canada remains the country with the mildest immigration conditions in the world, FSU people use it rather extensively, as far as I could watch it here. 

Canada does not have a "fiancée" visa. You can sponsor a spouse or a common-law partner, but you must demonstrate that it is a legitimate relationship (as opposed to a marriage of convenience). One or a few weeks spent together usually won't be acceptable to Citizenship and Immigration Canada.

If a woman (or man) does get their permanent residence, however, there is no requirement that she stay with her sponsor for any set period. Just as long as they spend some time with their sponsor (i.e. not dumping them at the airport), permanent residents who were sponsored by spouses are pretty much free to leave at any time, and the sponsor will be on the hook financially for three years. The sponsored permanent resident can apply on their own for citizenship and their status as a permanent resident is not conditional on spending any set amount of time with their spouse.

[Lily]

Oh, okay Misha, I just meant an independent immigration for skilled migrants, and you mean the marriage based immigration. They may be different, of course. The first way is rather popular in Russia, many people file for immigration with their spouses, kinds, or just singles.

[Misha]

Oh, okay Misha, I just meant an independent immigration for skilled migrants, and you mean the marriage based immigration. They may be different, of course. The first way is rather popular in Russia, many people file for immigration with their spouses, kinds, or just singles.

Canada works on a point system. You get points based on your knowledge of English and/or French, points based on your profession and whether it is in demand, etc.... If you are young and have good work experience, speak English well and have a profession in demand, then your chances would be good. It would still be a long process: it could take a few years before everything is processed. Nonetheless, it is much easier from what I understand to immigrate to Canada than the United States or Europe.