Why "The Bat"?

[Nat]

In order not to hijack this thread - http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=8327.0
Can somebody explain me why you think that scammers use The Bat? I use The Bat.  And I doubt some girl who is a gold digger would be so much aware of computer software that she wouldn't use pre-installed Outlook Express and would use The Bat, which she would need to install and configure!
Some other recommendations how to detect a scammer also seem a bit strange , thought I can understand them, but this - it's just ridiculous

[BC]

Agree.

It's actually a nice program.  Many of my contacts in FSU use it.

[Kuna]

In order not to hijack this thread - http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=8327.0
Can somebody explain me why you think that scammers use The Bat? I use The Bat.  And I doubt some girl who is a gold digger would be so much aware of computer software that she wouldn't use pre-installed Outlook Express and would use The Bat, which she would need to install and configure!
Some other recommendations how to detect a scammer also seem a bit strange , thought I can understand them, but this - it's just ridiculous

EXACTLY!

I rest my case... (from the previous thread)

Nat,

I think avoiding scammers really comes down to common sense and not getting tied up in the fantasy (before actually meeting the woman they are writing to).  As some men can't seem to do that they scream out warnings (excuses for being scammed) and then MANY men become paranoid.

[Shadow]

I have used The Bat myself in the past and found it was a good working program.

Why scammers would use it ? Because it has the possibility to create many different user profiles.
Don't forget that scammers are not gold-digging women that sit at home but more connected to organized business.
For this they need a program that will allow sending mass-mails from different user profiles, and that can separate the answers neatly.

[Nat]

Why scammers would use it ? Because it has the possibility to create many different user profiles.

Hm, may be I'm mixing something, because I started using The Bat very long time ago, but I've always had huge amount of e-mail profiles and I managed them succesfully in Outlook Express, where they were also divided into many profiles

[Taz]

Yes, but The Bat! allows you to define rules more easily than Outlook express. Not to mention you can customize templates to use as boilerplate text to make it easy to reply to your mass scam mailings. It supports macros, extensive filter and the list goes on. It is so widely used by spammers and scammers that many SPAM filters automatically block it when they see The Bat! in the email header.

I personally have setup my own email filters to delete any email that comes from a person using The Bat! as 99.9% of the time it is a scammer or spammer.

[msmoby_ru]

Yes, but The Bat! allows you to define rules more easily than Outlook express. Not to mention you can customize templates to use as boilerplate text to make it easy to reply to your mass scam mailings. It supports macros, extensive filter and the list goes on. It is so widely used by spammers and scammers that many SPAM filters automatically block it when they see The Bat! in the email header.

I personally have setup my own email filters to delete any email that comes from a person using The Bat! as 99.9% of the time it is a scammer or spammer.

You can lead a horse to water.....

If any newbie reads this.. you have choice.. accept that the Bat! is used by normal FSU folk ( as advised by IT techies/ folk who make PCs over there) as an alternative to Outlook ... or listen to Taz and ignore the best "spam filter" of the lot - Common Sense..

[Taz]

Do you just love to be argumentative? Or do you just love to make things personal every time? I noticed that is your style? Present your argumenet without invective, insults, snide remarks, etc. if you have the talent to do so.

I merely posted my personal experience. Almost every scammer that has written me has used The Bat! The number of "normal folk" that have written me from a non-business address use that same program, I can count on one hand. So why not put all the guano correspondence in the spam bucket? It is a pretty good signal to noise ratio if filtering on guano as a key elminates all most all scammers.

Additional no where did I say do as I do. I offer up my viewpoint AND my reasoning for my actions. I don't attack anyone or put anyone down or make disparaging remarks. I don't have time to waste with petty conflict like you do. My life is full enough without have to deal with people like you over petty stuff or read in some other thread about the size of a man's member in crude terms.

The signal to noise ratio at this site has definitely fallen. This greatly reduces my desire and other forum member's desires that I have spoken with to post or participate here.

[msmoby_ru]

Do you just love to be argumentative? Or do you just love to make things personal every time? I noticed that is your style? Present your argumenet without invective, insults, snide remarks, etc. if you have the talent to do so.

Taz, where is my post Wrong...?  Your personal experience makes no allowance for the fact that several folk who know a thing or two about IT in Eastern Europe KEEP pointing out - the BAT! is a popular email client - full stop... 

It like a woman on Antidate saying that guys who like to come on "sex trips" use Thunderbird...  you just can't draw any conclusion from it.. 

Use of the BAT! does not indicate "scammer" - there's plenty more obvious "red flags"

As so many internet cafes and FSU folk use the Bat! on their home pcs , you're simply excluding folk for using a popula program.

YES, I was short .. I know you know the FSU well and you should know better.

My life is full enough without have to deal with people like you over petty stuff

It isn't "petty" You posted inaccurate info...

or read in some other thread about the size of a man's member in crude terms.

Hmm, noticed that.. but I'm not involved in THAT thread!

The signal to noise ratio at this site has definitely fallen. This greatly reduces my desire and other forum member's desires that I have spoken with to post or participate here.

Well Taz, I guess if I get the push, you'll be free to mislead with impunity

[BC]

The signal to noise ratio at this site has definitely fallen. This greatly reduces my desire and other forum member's desires that I have spoken with to post or participate here.

Taz,

It's a phase some posters go through.. they think they are obligated to chip in with authority on every subject in the recent posts listing.

[msmoby_ru]

Taz,

It's a phase some posters go through.. they think they are obligated to chip in with authority on every subject in the recent posts listing.

OK, BC, so tell us where I'm incorrect re my correcting Taz re "the Bat!"..

or

have I commented on anything like 50% of topics that are current - say the last week

You certainly won't find me involved in topics re discussions concerning how "gifted" one has to be to impress a FSUW

[siberia]

We talked about this in another thread, but The Bat was almost exclusively used by Russians in the IT sector for years and years. If someone has a pc at home, they usually had help from a friend or a friend of a friend in the IT industry setting it up or even just in the PC store, and The Bat was the email client of choice. All, ok, not all but 99.9% of Russians HATE Microsoft (M$) and don't by choice use M$ clients if they dont have to.
If you exclude girls using The Bat as a scammer, you are making a mistake.

[BC]

OK, BC, so tell us where I'm incorrect re my correcting Taz re "the Bat!"..

You gave your opin and solution how you handle this subject.  Nothing wrong with that.

or

have I commented on anything like 50% of topics that are current - say the last week

No, can't say I recall such.. did you feel that a finger was pointed in your direction? - I think not.

You certainly won't find me involved in topics re discussions concerning how "gifted" one has to be to impress a FSUW

Yes, there is a difference between contributing and discrediting.

The fact that there is no true 'right' or 'wrong' in the vast majority of topics that are discussed is evidenced by the existence of this board.  If all were cut and dry, there would be little discourse at all.  It should be up to the reader to make their own choices based on shared opin.  I don't know why, but some posters simply insist that their 'way' is the 'only way'.  We're dealing with adults here, the majority of which are fully capable of making decisions for themselves.  Acting in the 'get the last word in and I win' mode really is an insult to most members, and reminds me of bickering teenagers.

The bat?  Yeah a good, if not excellent program that can and has been misused to the point that it is quickly becoming an inefficient mailer.  After years of fiddling around with different mail programs (outlook, thunderbird, evolution, TheBat), I simply gave up and went with gmail.  It filters spam very very efficiently (I receive about 1500 spams / month) and have had no complaints that my legitimate mails ended up in someone's spam box.  That's what works for me and I understand others may make different choices - no skin off my back.

[Taz]

First off, very few women have home internet. While that number is increasing, most don't. The cost of home internet isn't cheap in many areas and/or difficult to get. Few women can afford it. Notice I didn't say NO WOMEN can afford it. Obviously scammers can...

I know the anti-Microsft bias. It isn't because they hate Microsoft always, it because they can't often afford it so they often use it AFTER THEY PIRATE A COPY! So if MSFT was so terrible, why are there so many pirated copies at any local market? That is a topic for antother day.

I still maintain my original stance. MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE has been that almost all the letters I get from a person with The Bat! have been scammers or unsolicited from an agency WHEN NOT COMING FROM A COMPANY! I realize business uses The Bat! frequently in the FSU. I worked there and I used it at several companies.

Some of you don't understand how spam filtering works anyway. I automatically have any suspect email's subject line appended with a SPAM prefix. I then have it filed into another mailbox which I peruse maybe once a week. If the spam score is high enough OR it comes from a doman on the public blacklist's, I have it deleted immediately.

Any email I SEND OUT, it automatically added to the whitelist which give it a free pass back into my email box unless I later mark it as spam. So tell me where the flaw is in my approach? Any contact I INITIATE, is automatically permitted back in. If it is unsolicited (often like scammers do) it gets put into another folder until I can review it.

In the past year, not a single scammer has found her way into my main inbox while using The Bat! Additionally many email providers automatically BLOCK emails with a Russian or Chinese character set in them. I am at many client's sites and their email filters are setup to do that automatically REGARDLESS of what email client they are using. Once it detects a Russian character set, it automatically tags and files it as spam unless it is on the whitelist...

There are many approaches you can take to finding a woman or using the internet, many will get you to the same destination. I work in IT all day long and have to deal with a ton of spam anyway because I am a major POC for our company. Why deal with any more if I can easily filter on certain types of email clients that tend to be problematic.

You act like I deleted the email. If the lady is using The Bat! and coming from a blacklisted ISP, odds are she is a scammer. How about I write a rule and redirect all those emails to you instead? I'll let you deal with them.

[BC]

You act like I deleted the email. If the lady is using The Bat! and coming from a blacklisted ISP, odds are she is a scammer. How about I write a rule and redirect all those emails to you instead? I'll let you deal with them.

Taz,

I think that clarifies a lot.

First, email messages from women 'out of the blue' are spam/scam.  Probably no women even involved. I get enough of those and never, ever signed up at an agency or posted a profile anywhere. These are probably coming from a blacklisted ip.
Second, women you contact via email are whitelisted, allowing their mails to pass to you.
Third, if you are working with some agency, dating site etc, and i.e. you posted your profile on their website awaiting responses you probably whitelist their domain so that mails originating from them will pass to you.

Sounds prudent.

[msmoby_ru]

First off, very few women have home internet. While that number is increasing, most don't. The cost of home internet isn't cheap in many areas and/or difficult to get. Few women can afford it. Notice I didn't say NO WOMEN can afford it. Obviously scammers can...

Those that do buy PCs often use pirated version of MS Operating Systems and the PCs come with "the Bat! "  pre-configured..  The number of women with PCs has increased DRASTICALLY - one of the main reasons for the dwindling Marriage Agency market..

I still maintain my original stance.

Siberia is an IT expert living in Russia for a long time .. you should reconsider..!

MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE has been that almost all the letters I get from a person with The Bat! have been scammers or unsolicited from an agency WHEN NOT COMING FROM A COMPANY! I realize business uses The Bat! frequently in the FSU. I worked there and I used it at several companies.

Many Internet Cafes use it , too ... and if a lady hasn't got access to a PC at home or work....

Some of you don't understand how spam filtering works anyway.  I automatically have any suspect email's subject line appended with a SPAM prefix. I then have it filed into another mailbox which I peruse maybe once a week. If the spam score is high enough OR it comes from a doman on the public blacklist's, I have it deleted immediately.

Taz, I derive a sizeable proportion of my income from IT comms, I post my email addresses freely everywhere and I wasn't getting spammed. A lot of spam originates from giving your email addy to the "wrong" sites..

A tip.. get your own domain.. make sure it has global popmail facilities.. so you can accept mail with anything, absolutely anything written in front of the @yourdomain.com. They will all come to the same email inbox

Hand out different email addys to each site, or even lady, and watch who spams- it is easy to set filters to block emails "sent to..". and to direct email to individual folders.

I have lots of websites where "bots" can harvest my simple "click to reply " email responders, but I've found a great filter prog that blocks 99.999999% of spam without any input from me.

I only installed it *after* I'd met me wife and I hardly got ANY spam relating to FSU ladies..

I put that down to the sites I joined and the fact I was looking for ( then) 35+ yr old women and a very direct profile.

I can honestly say I got 2 spams a month back then .. ( 3 years ago)

Any email I SEND OUT, it automatically added to the whitelist which give it a free pass back into my email box unless I later mark it as spam. So tell me where the flaw is in my approach? Any contact I INITIATE, is automatically permitted back in. If it is unsolicited (often like scammers do) it gets put into another folder until I can review it.

I'm in biz so I can't afford to filter out unknown email addresses - yet I still don't see much spam, and I NEVER check my spam folder now. I've never played with the spam filter settings -  it just works..

In the past year, not a single scammer has found her way into my main inbox while using The Bat! Additionally many email providers automatically BLOCK emails with a Russian or Chinese character set in them. I am at many client's sites and their email filters are setup to do that automatically REGARDLESS of what email client they are using. Once it detects a Russian character set, it automatically tags and files it as spam unless it is on the whitelist...

Again, not my experience, I have to accept Cyrillic/ Asian characters as I have clients that send email from those areas...  

There are many approaches you can take to finding a woman or using the internet, many will get you to the same destination. I work in IT all day long and have to deal with a ton of spam anyway because I am a major POC for our company. Why deal with any more if I can easily filter on certain types of email clients that tend to be problematic.

We already established that many bonafide folk use "the Bat!" so WHY would you exclude 'em all by default ?!

You act like I deleted the email. If the lady is using The Bat! and coming from a blacklisted ISP, odds are she is a scammer. How about I write a rule and redirect all those emails to you instead? I'll let you deal with them.

As you know *I'm* not looking

[msmoby_ru]

First, email messages from women 'out of the blue' are spam/scam.  Probably no women even involved.

Hmmm, OK, my Wife sent me a "message out of the blue" to initiate contact.... I guess I didn't realise she's a scammer, yet

Seriously, she was using an internal email system for members on a dating site.... but the principle still applies... Serious women can, and do initiate contact.. there are better "filters" than "exclude all users of "the Bat"! "

Her son ( enthusiastic IT kiddie ) set up their PC using "the Bat!" as the email client ... I know SO many people that used it.. it's just SO ridiculous to exclude EVERYONE because they use as popular email client.

[dneid]

Hmmm, OK, my Wife sent me a "message out of the blue" to initiate contact.... I guess I didn't realise she's a scammer, yet

Seriously, she was using an internal email system for members on a dating site.... but the principle still applies... Serious women can, and do initiate contact.. there are better "filters" than "exclude all users of "the Bat"! "

Her son ( enthusiastic IT kiddie ) set up their PC using "the Bat!" as the email client ... I know SO many people that used it.. it's just SO ridiculous to exclude EVERYONE because they use as popular email client.

OK, I need to chime in now.  This is starting to getting, hmmm, how should I say it?  Maybe tedious or trite or <fill_in_the_blank>.  What I see Taz saying is this is HIS "methodology".  Why the long debate about the merits of an email client?  Both have expressed the pros and cons in earlier posts.  I am an intelligent person and I can draw my conclusions from the earlier posts.  msoby, all I ask is give it a rest now.  You stated your opinion earlier and I found it to be insightful.  Your further dragging out what can be considered by some as an attack is getting old.  Just state your case and let us draw our own conclusions...... please?

[msmoby_ru]

OK, I need to chime in now.  This is starting to getting, hmmm, how should I say it?  Maybe tedious or trite or <fill_in_the_blank>.  What I see Taz saying is this is HIS "methodology".  Why the long debate about the merits of an email client?  Both have expressed the pros and cons in earlier posts.  I am an intelligent person and I can draw my conclusions from the earlier posts.  msoby, all I ask is give it a rest now.  You stated your opinion earlier and I found it to be insightful.  Your further dragging out what can be considered by some as an attack is getting old.  Just state your case and let us draw our own conclusions...... please?

Hi Dneid

Sorry to "bore" you !

The title thread is debating the merit/ demerits of the email client and we have a poster suggesting it's use ( full stop) = scammer.

You are obviously intelligent enough to grasp this and I'm sorry if it bores you, but I keep thinking from the perspective of a lady from the FSU  - excited to get her first PC and to be able to use the net from home..

She's using Windows ( pirated of course, but she won't know better) and some one installed the Bat! as the email client and showed her how to use it..

She's found Taz on a dating site.. wants to write to him.. eventually gets the confidence to introduce herself ..Taz never knows...

THAT's why I'm repeating myself..

[BC]

She's found Taz on a dating site.. wants to write to him.. eventually gets the confidence to introduce herself ..Taz never knows...

THAT's why I'm repeating myself..

needlessly I must say....

Read the fine print in Taz's post:

If it is unsolicited (often like scammers do) it gets put into another folder until I can review it.

Maybe it's time for RWD to pass the collection pot to buy a dead horse for you to beat upon?
 

[msmoby_ru]

needlessly I must say....

Read the fine print in Taz's post:
Maybe it's time for RWD to pass the collection pot to buy a dead horse for you to beat upon?
 

...and may be it's time you took and drink from the water you've been led to , before you become the dead horse ..