What changes in the MOB agency business

[Photo Guy]

How should agencies change?

How should clients change?

[Bruno]

[user=134]Photo Guy[/user] wrote:

How should agencies change?

How should clients change?

Clients will change by more control of agency... a better ethics in the business... Agency will change if some international law can regulate it... again, it is a problem of work together...

 

[TigerPaws]

Bruno,

 International Law? Are you in dream land or taking drugs? Who will enforce a law and what about those countries who refuse to enact the law(s)? International law is a joke without enforcement and thous laws which most would agree are in the greater best interest few countries can agree to.

 No offence but get real IT WILL NOT HAPPEN!

[Photo Guy]

What SPECIFIC changes should be made? What practices should be eliminated or adjusted?

Also, since the MOB cannot be policed or placed under a set of laws or guidelines, maybe we can work to setup a
 standardized set of guidelines that can be agreed upon and referred to by businesses involved in the MOB market.

These guidelines should encompass the activities of both sectors- the clients and the agencies. Where can we start?

Misrepresentation? I'm thinking about those guys/clients, who are Keyboard Romeos and will portray themselves as
someone attractive, through misrepresentation. And I'm thinking about agencies who design profiles that are not accurate,
simply to attract more responses and generate more revenue. Misrepresentations need to be banished.

[Bruno]

International Law? Are you in dream land or taking drugs? Who will enforce a law and what about those countries who refuse to enact the law(s)? International law is a joke without enforcement and thous laws which most would agree are in the greater best interest few countries can agree to.

 No offence but get real IT WILL NOT HAPPEN!

TigerPaws, when you are on the sea with your ship, in international water, you need to follow some international rule ( law )... same for airplane who go around the world...

Of course, it is always some country who refuse to sign convention... by example, USA don't reconize the international tribunal of LaHaye...

Since the 09/11, several country was able to build some common law over security for fight terrorism ( new passport with chip and biometrish data are a example ).

Really, Tigerpaws, you are in dream land, a lot of international law exist already... but not about MOB business...

 

[TigerPaws]

Bruno,

 As usual you miss the point, who will enforce an international law? Which country or maybe you mean the U.N. (United Nothing) as for international maritime law not even the so called "experts" can agree on what most of it means and what would happen if someone broke an international law in a country which refused to abide or enact the law(S). Without enforcement there is no law only meaningless words on paper. 

Dream land? Sorry sir but get a grip on reality for the most part those international laws that do exist are for the most part ignored  by a vast majority of countries in the world today.

[Bruno]

As usual you miss the point, who will enforce an international law? Which country or maybe you mean the U.N. (United Nothing) as for international maritime law not even the so called "experts" can agree on what most of it means and what would happen if someone broke an international law in a country which refused to abide or enact the law(S). Without enforcement there is no law only meaningless words on paper. 

Since we use the example of international maritime laws, let go... from now, 147 country have sign these accord... the international tribunal for the Law of the sea is located in Hamburg, Germany... about enforcement, each country who have sign the accord is able to make it...

And a country who don't follow the rules can be prohibeth to use our port, go to our water,... economical pression... take a look at http://www.itlos.org/start2_en.html for more info over this .

 Edit : it seem that USA and UK are the two country who have realize the first international treaty :

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The modern history of international arbitration is, however, generally recognized as dating from the so-called Jay Treaty of 1794 between the United States of America and Great Britain. This Treaty of Amity, Commerce and Navigation provided for the creation of three mixed commissions, composed of American and British nationals in equal numbers, whose task it would be to settle a number of outstanding questions between the two countries which it had not been possible to resolve by negotiation. Whilst it is true that these mixed commissions were not strictly speaking organs of third-party adjudication, they were intended to function to some extent as tribunals. They re-awakened interest in the process of arbitration. Throughout the 19th century, the United States and the United Kingdom had recourse to them, as did other States in Europe and the Americas.

http://www.icj-cij.org/icjwww/igeneralinformation/ibbook/Bbookframepage.htm

 

[TigerPaws]

Bruno,

 Nice thoughts but it dose not work, case in point the U.S. will sieze any vessel transiting U.S. waters on the way to Cuba which is clearly a violation of several international laws. None-the-less the U.S. has siezed at least 1/2 dozen Canadian vessels that I am aware of and after a year of expensive legal challanges the owners still do not have their vessels back.

 The U.S. is clearly in violation of international law but who will enforce the law? It is nice to say an international court can rule against the U.S. but they have no Army, no Police force and no power to do anything so the law is worthless if a country chooses to ignore international law. 

 Another case in point there is considerable evidence that White Slavery is alive and well in Saudi Arabia, yet after years no country is willing to do anything about it. Why? I will tell you because of oil, power and money. International laws are enforced at the convenience of the host country, you can argue untle Hell freezes over about this agreement or that agreement between countries but no one is going to War to enforce any international law. No country will cut trade or do anything because another country refuses to abide by some vague law that dose not directly effect their safety or economy.

 As I said International law is unenforceable if the host country refuses to do anything and any attempt to requlate the MOB industry will one fail and two be as worthless as the paper it is written on. Sorrry Burno but those are the realities.

[BC]

Barring relaxation of immigration laws to allow couples to live together for a considerable time before marriage the only practical thing to do is leave all as-is.

Getting scammed is probably the most effective education out there.. When it comes to pretty women, fantasies and testosterone there is very little that can be effectively legislated or governed.

[Bruno]

As I said International law is unenforceable if the host country refuses to do anything and any attempt to requlate the MOB industry will one fail and two be as worthless as the paper it is written on. Sorrry Burno but those are the realities.

I know that international law need the agrement of each country for work correctly... but if you have read a other topic where Dan inform over MOB regulation in USA, it is more ridiculous... MOB business is international business, so local law will kill USA business and some will relocate outside US where they are more difficult to control...

So, in our case, USA men and Russian women, a bilateral international accord between USA and Russia, with some change of the national law can lead to some result... same if these result are minor, it is better that nothing...

In some way, USA is the best example... each state have his own laws but they follow some main law edict by the national gouverment... Europe try to use the same system but it seem that we are not so good that USA ... not enough power from the european central gouverment... and so much problem for build Europol... Europol, a crazy tool when you think that interpol already exist... interpol for international police... yep, it seem that the tool for enforcement of international law already exist :P

 

[Maxx]

Warning labels.

The US government and other governments through their Federal Trade Commissions etc. to Western Union, Paypal, all the major credit card companies and who ever else who funds the MOB industry would require them to insist to their business customers that a link as a narrow bar be placed on all their MOB websites. This link bar would connect to a government website that would give warning about immigration, money and marriage fraud. It would detail the money scams used by agencies and the marriage scams used by the men and women of these agencies. The INS's of the various Western Counties would keep track of the complaints, early divorces (under 4 years) and fraud filed by immigrant men and women or those who are or sponsers of such. The names of the agencies of both the regional agency and their international partner that are suspected of such fraud through complaints and hard data would be posted this website. It would in other words be a government site of black lists and scammers. Individuals however would not be posted on these sites, just the marriage/introduction agencies.

The individual agencies would be given a link where they can post their explanations to such complaints. Let the reader decide or judge what is truth or what is agency spin control.  

For the US: The Vermont Service Center which currently handles all abuse petitions would be relieved of this "service". The local service centers would take over this responsibility. Both sides, the immigrant spouse and her/his spouse would be allowed to present their cases before an interviewers. Rebutals of the opposing spouse's statements and evidence given would be allowed by both parties. The final determination of the case and the immigration status of the petitioner would be from the local Service center that hears the cases. These various Service centers would be under periodic judicial review as to their fairness in handeling these cases. This would cut down measurably widespread marriage fraud.  

Maxx

[BC]

Maxx,

Long ago we used to dream up huge infallible plans how to fix every worldly ailiment and make life perfect.. while smoking wacky weed.

You surely jest

[Admin]

Maxx,

Long ago we used to dream up huge infallible plans how to fix every worldly ailiment and make life perfect.. while smoking wacky weed.

You surely jest

Are you saying that you INHALED?!?

Not me. :angel:

- Dan

[BC]

Are you saying that you INHALED?!?

IIRC the terms we used back then were 'parched', 'scorched' or simply 'toasted'..

[Photo Guy]

... When it comes to pretty women, fantasies and testosterone there is very little that can be effectively legislated or governed.

That's good BC- powerful and concise. Do I have your permission to use it as a book title?:cool:
_____'PRETTY WOMEN
______FANTASIES &
______TESTOSTERONE'
 

[BC]

LOL Photo..

Lets keep the lawyers out of it. If you make a million just give me their share :cool:

[TigerPaws]

Bruno,

 You sound much like the typical European liberal, any law is better than nothing. Your problem is who will enforce the law? If you think for a minute that 50 states would agree on such a law or that our congress will allow a foreign law enforcement agency to atempt to enforce their laws here in the U.S. you are surly on drugs or drunk (maybe both?).

 Regulating the MOB industry is just about impossible and I do like the statement:

 ... When it comes to pretty women, fantasies and testosterone there is very little that can be effectively legislated or governed.

 

[Photo Guy]

I'd like to see agencies that allow access to computers, sort of like an internet cafe. Many RW do not have computers. I'd like to be able to send URL's and files through emails to the agency, where she could access them. Agencies should allow attached files and charge a small fee for the service. Many agencies offer translated email service, and do not allow a wider range of computer services. I'd like to see agencies move in the direction of internet cafes.

Until agencies become more open and flexible, I have to say that working independently through an interpreter, would probably be the best way to go, if you have the right temperament.

In the case of agencies that post a guy's profile on the net, the first reform I would like to see, is a correspondence between the letters a guy receives and his posted requirements. For example, if he states that he is looking for a woman between 30 and 40, he should not be receiving letters from women outside of that age group. Agencies are not supervising properly. Of course, purely automated responses need to be eliminated...

[Bruno]

I'd like to see agencies move in the direction of internet cafes.

No chance Photo... with my first site in 1998, i have work with local internet cafes... some of them have transform in marriage agency... more money to earn... western man pay big amount in place of russian who pay little amount.

 

[TigerPaws]

Bruno,

 A liberal by another name is still a liberal. A true conservative generally want little government intervention into anyones lives, you are advocating more and bigger government which is the mark of a typical liberal socialist.

 

[Bruno]

The word liberalism is today used differently in various countries. (See Liberalism worldwide.) One of the greatest contrasts is between the usage in the United States and usage in Europe. In the US, liberalism is usually contrasted with conservatism, and American liberals support broader tolerance and more readily embrace multiculturalism and positive discrimination. In Europe, on the other hand, liberalism is not only contrasted with conservatism and Christian Democracy, but also with social democracy and socialism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism

So, i cannot be a liberal in Europa... but in America, i will be somewhere between liberal and conservative... Same english word but other signification...

[ConnerVT]

To give an example:  Out in the bar at the end of the night, you ask your buddy, "Which one of those women do you want to take home with you tonight -- The ugly one, or the uglier one?" 

:yech: