Land of the Electra?

[Journeyman]

Land of the Electra?

Not quite.

Just a reminder to those of you who are new to this endeavor.  

This is the look of a predator:

http://www.bluesapphires.net/ladies/ku7191.shtml

Another pretty, young girl, (a new arrival to the Internet) who, for some reason, has no interest in a man unless he is at least TWICE her age.  Men who are 2, or 5, or 10 years older need not apply.  Wow!  Isn't that interesting?  But, of course, this older man must be "well-to-do."  Otherwise, she doesn't care much about you, it would seem.  Anything goes:  country, race, children.  No problem.

Until . . . . . . . .

Remember . . . if it seems too good to be true, it usually and probably is.

And this is one of the more obvious ones.  She's just a newbie herself ...... a newbie predator, that is.  But after a while, she'll refine her tactics, improve her camouflage, and be a little more difficult to spot.  But she'll still be out there.  And MANY more like her.  

Proceed with caution.

Journeyman


P.S.  Vets, please don't shoot me for stating the obvious.  It bears repeating from time to time to remind those of us who need a little reminding (I needed it myself from time to time years ago).

[dorogoyroberto]

Rather good advice, in my opinion.

Roberto
Kiev, Ukraine

[Bruno]

In anycase, she is the perfect woman... Her profession is economist... She will be able to use the $$$ from his scam :?. I don't know how much $$$ are earned each year by FSU scammer, but it is certainly a important economic sector :D:D

[catzenmouse]

Remember . . . if it seems too good to be true, it usually and probably is.

And this is one of the more obvious ones. She's just a newbie herself ...... a newbie predator, that is. But after a while, she'll refine her tactics, improve her camouflage, and be a little more difficult to spot. But she'll still be out there. And MANY more like her.

Proceed with caution.

Journeyman


P.S. Vets, please don't shoot me for stating the obvious. It bears repeating from time to time to remind those of us who need a little reminding (I needed it myself from time to time years ago).

Sometimes and ounce of prevention will prevent a pounding from the "clue bat"!

Good Post that does need to be repeated from time to time.

Ken

[Journeyman]

Just another installment in the series.

http://aprettywoman.com/d.cgi/1001P82335472207.200.116.681131767961

Such an innocent-looking girl.  And she'll go up to age 65, assuming that you have a good pension (and a heart condition).

Journeyman

[RacerX]

Well here's the thing Journeyman, and I can't say I disagree with your critique, but first, how do you know the girl wrote anything posted on her internet marquee?  Second, let me pose a theoretical question: what would you prefer: a lying girl who says she wants a man only 10+ years beyond her age, but then later is proffered up by the agency to men 20-25 years older, or a girl who just comes out and states what she wants?

Kinda reminds me of the street-person who holds up a sign: "needs beer money."  Let's face it, probably a large percentage of FSUW come her for financial or lifestyle reasons, so what's wrong with a girl just coming out and saying it?  

Now what I would find interesting is if someone would contact these two girls (preferentially by phone with a RW listening in) and see if your impressions would be verified.  I guess what I am saying is neither of these two have any scammer credentials (as far as we know), so any presumptions are no more that that.  Sure it's a caveat emptor, but I suppose it should be  even for the less obvious girls.

[Bruno]

Kinda reminds me of the street-person who holds up a sign: "needs beer money." Let's face it, probably a large percentage of FSUW come her for financial or lifestyle reasons, so what's wrong with a girl just coming out and saying it?

Personaly, i choose for the woman who is honest about her intention... Honesty is something who can shock but it is always better that lies... if someone choose so woman, he know where he put his foot...

In so situation, we are not more in a usual relation but more in a "business" situation like Tigerpaws have define in other topic... if both are happy with so relation, why not ? The man give some security and money... The woman give some of her youth time... it is a personal choice and based on honesty for each other... nothing wrong here...

The bad one are these with hidden agenda :X

 

[Journeyman]

Sure it's a caveat emptor, but I suppose it should be even for the less obvious girls.

That is right!  There are PLENTY of less ovbious girls doing the same, or worse.  I had a long talk with 2 Ukrainian agency owners about the girls who are signing up at their agencies.  Over several years, I got to know these agency owners quite well, and they were willing to admit certain things to me (understanding over time that I was sincere, not visiting for a sex tour, and just wanted to meet a nice girl).  They knew that a lot of them were quite insincere -- not all, or even necessarily a majority, but a still, lot of them.  

We'll never know for sure about any of these girls when they post their profiles.  Nothing much is even "proven" about girls on the blacklists.  Maxx has pretty much substantiated his experience in what he has shared, and I could do the same about my own GCG from 2001.  However, such wildly unreasonable statements from a striking 27-year old girl like

"I want to meet the man of my dream and to have a family, to give all my care and love for my beloved man."

......when he is 65???  Please, that stretches credibility to beyond the breaking point.  

One of my now ex-girlfriends from the FSU told me how many of her girlfriends are now making a hobby of "working" a few credulous foreign men for money ... to the extent that they can avoid working, and even buy nice apartments.  Several other FSU ladies I met confirmed that, and also one of the two agency owners I mentioned above.  That is old news now.  But this is EXACTLY the kind of "advertising" that is used for such purposes.

True, there is no absolute proof.  Ever.  And two people can, in my book, get together for whatever mutually acceptable deal they want.  The key is honesty.  Virtually everything in this profile screams scam.  And she is another easy one to spot.

As Bruno noted, the bad ones are those that have a secret agenda, and, I'll add, can hide it well.  I've met those, also.  And they are wicked.  They can surprise even the local Ukrainian agency owners.

In disgust, one 60+ year old Ukrainian lady (now in America with her Ukrainian husband) recently told a friend of mine about the younger Ukrainian girls . . . "Ahk! They are all actresses!"

Now, I wouldn't go that far, but I would NOT support the idea of thinking that the girl pictured in the latest cited profile is, somehow, an exception to the rule, or even being honest about what she wants.  


Journeyman
 

[Jack]

Read some of the post's and comments above.
 
RacerX does make a good point, I would always prefer a lady who was truthful with her request. One good example is a lady from Moscow that I know named Svetlana. Svetlana is now I believe about 32 or 33, still quite attractive. When she was 27 she was even a more stunning beauty. On her profile she indicated she wanted a man who made at least $80,000 a year. One man saw this and wrote me she must be a scammer. I asked him why? She's stating she wants a man who is as she considers fairly well off and he should make at least $80,000 a year. Why is it wrong for her to want this? And such certainty would not make her a scammer ( as a side note I keep thinking as Svetlana get's older she would be lowering this requirement).
 
Regarding Ekaterina from Lugansk. My thinking is she probably did not originally indicate she would take a man to 55, if I were to guess I would say she might have wrote to 45. Many agencies have a way of adding a few more years to the age the lady said she would prefer. What strikes me more odd about Ekaterina's profile is where she states race does not matter, which is not quite the same feeling with most Russian women.
 
Regarding Karolina from Kiev, the lady seeking a man to 65. Again I seriously doubt that she put on her profile that she would consider a man to 65. But in the best interest of the RWD and to help it to main the best un-censored, non-commercial Russian discussion board in the world, I will try to meet Karolina personally and find out for myself and I will report back to everyone here

[Journeyman]

Jack,

It sounds to me like the gal that said she needed a guy with at least $80K per year income has probably met a few too many undercapitalized guys who've attemtped to court her, and failed.  $80K is a good figure, and that sounds like typical Russian bluntness about what a women says she wants.  I would hope that more RW would make it clear to a few clueless guys that the man will need approximately that income (at least) to have a reasonable chance at both avoiding financial problems, and also meeting the lifestyle expectations that many (but not all) RW would have upon arrival in their new country.  A lot of newbies seem to have no sense of what money is required for a reasonable chance of success in this arena.  

$80,000 is a very good figure.  Or higher.  You MIGHT be able to swing it on $60+K/year, but that would be tight.  Therefore, that gal seems quite reasonable to me, and sounds like she knows something about the West, and about the fact that many guys get into this seriously undercapitalized.

On the other hand, Jack, I don't know HOW you are going to reasonably expect to get the truth out of a gal if she doesn't want to give it to you.  In my experiences in the FSU, I have had several gals recommended to me over the years by the owners of several highly reputable agencies, only to have the gals eventually ask for money, and then completely deny it later to the agency owner.

By getting to know several agency owners very well, I have obtained permission from some to see the actual application that the girls fill out.  I can then confirm what they have told the agency, and what has appeared on their internet profiles.  On the other hand, they will lie there too, as many of them smoke (sometimes, quite a bit), but will deny THAT also on their application form.  

Jack, I know you've been around, but the chances of you getting to the ultimate truth about this woman, or any woman over there, is not great.  I think you can learn a little more about her, and that is for sure.   I, for one would be very interested in what more you might find out.  I look forward to your report.  There is always more to the story......but that will also apply to whatever you find out, as well.

And one final note.......yes, agreed, agencies do change numbers and facts to increase address sales, etc.  No doubt about it, and RacerX could be accurate in some cases.  For example, A Foreign Affair has been doing that quite a bit lately.  I've noted a lot of times when they would add 5 years to a girl's profile when they obtained it through one of their affilates.  

However, when an agency changes data, any data, what are the chances that the agency will even actually forward the letters to the girl herself?  We've all hear how many times agencies will coopt letters written for a woman in order to hijack and control a income therefrom.  Geez.  Why waste time on such a profile?  What else DIDN'T she write?  Her self-description?  Her marital status?  

Remember William of Occam?  Given a clear understanding of the facts, the most likely explanation is the most simple explanation.  

Yes, there are always exceptions to the general rule.  What I am citing are examples of things that look, on their face, to be very suspicious.  But nobody can conclude anything 100% on the basis of a profile, or even meeting a gal, or even spending a lot of time with her.  What is necessary, however, is to make reasonable choices about how you spend your valuable time and money. I, for one, would pass on such profiles.

Journeyman

[RacerX]

as a side note I keep thinking as Svetlana get's older she would be lowering this requirement).

 

[Journeyman]

They usually do, both there and here, as the big 4-oh looms.  Unless she's got her own $$$ already.  

[Journeyman]

It now looks like A Foreign Affair has again decided to turn a blind eye to the matter of predation and fraudulent profiles.  Check out the November 30th to December 6 listing of new profiles.  Several of them stand out, but one gave me an especially good belly-laugh.

She's 21, 5-9, quite striking, and another "student.'

http://www.loveme.com/women/info75803.htm

"Self Description: I'm very kind, modest and friendly person, and also a bit shy. At the same time I am always communicative and very humorous. I like talking to people a lot and I think I might be a good psychologist.

Comments: I'm looking for a man to be a gentleman himself. Tender person who will understand me and who will support me, with sense of humor and kind heart. I think it is very important to know that mine the ONE will cherish me as well as I will treasure him, as well as I will treat him like my close friend, my husband, my tender beloved one. I would like to make a special trip with him - a romantic life-lasting trip! Up to 60 years of age."

..........

Those last few lines are clearly the most entertaining.  It's not unexpected to see this kind of stuff.  However,
A Foreign Affair must be getting desperate to join in this kind of blatant fishing for suckers.  I doubt that I am alone in thinking so.

Journeyman

[RacerX]

Journeyman ~ you're just too damn cynical - especially dissing such a lovely lady with those big blue eyes 

I wondered if "MOB-speak" has gotten any more clever over the years - like do you think they have people that just sit back and figure how to pack hidden meanings into alluring prose?

IIRC wasn't there some kind of contest awhile back where budding novelists, as part of a competition, were asked to submit the longest rambling sentence possible  as an opening for a novel?  Seems we could do better than the agencies.  Someday, someone needs to make up a MOB-speak vocabulary with real-world definitions.

For example:   
Financially secure = Has bucks and is willing to part with them.
Clever man = aka "stupid" man
Age is not important = see financially secure....

[Journeyman]

Truly, I don't want to appear TOO cynical about all the nice RW in the FSU ...... or even those in the majority of the profiles on the Internet.  Heck, I am in the process of now planning my 8th trip over there in February.  ........ I must have a LITTLE optimism in me somewhere.

As most of you know, I am just trying to make a point about the pretty packaging for much of the predation these days.  Very slick....... words and pics.  The uninitiated just need a little focusing on this matter, along with all the other important topics on this board.

Now, having made my contribution, and having posted 3 pretty good examples of wolves in sheeps' clothing, I'm going to take a rest.  After those 3 profiles are eventually removed by the respective agencies, I might want to find 3 more, so that good examples will still be available for those interested.  But, for now, I'm temporarily done with this topic.

Thanks to all the others who helped with their own observations..........

Poka!

Journeyman

[RacerX]

Except, a bit up-thread, Jack promised us an attempt to investigative one or more of these girls just to see which parts were hype or real- still would be intesting to find out.

[Photo Guy]

[color="darkred"][size="3"]'Investigate'?  ...After seeing Karolina's second photo, I thought about the idea of  becoming a 'sex tourist'.  I can see why some guys go in that  direction. ...Yeah, Jack's going to 'investigate' her. [/size][/color][/b]

[jb]

Keep your shirt on there, PhotoGuy, and remember this girl Karolina isn't even one of the pretty ones in Kiev.