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[Sculpto]

good post xman..

Well.. given what you just posted I am curious what issues are causing things not to work out?

[myrddin]

ditto on the good post note, Xman (I kinda like the handle, too  )

You've talked about sites and agencies.  I'm just curious if you've tried working with an interpreter and placing ads.

Whatever the case and whatever the path, I hope you find Her soon.  It gets tough when you start measuring years looking instead of months, but when looking for love, it takes "as long it takes".  And it's worth it.  Udachi!

[Misha]

To me, free sites are a waste of time.  

And, for others, such as myself, we used them to successfully find great women and get married.

And I may not have been using them proactively enough (certainly not contacting hundreds of profiles, more like several dozen).

I would say you were definitely not proactive enough. If I had only written several dozen women, I would never have met my wife. If someone uses the mamba network, they must be ready to spend the time contacting many, many, many women. 

[Daveman]

Yeah, to each his own with whatever he is most comfortable.  I would think those with a little more Russian language background would have a higher likelihood of success on the Russian dating sites, but that's merely a guess.

I've used about every avenue available and have had the most promising meetings through Elenas so far.  However, that's not to say that I wouldn't or couldn't have positive outlook possibilities at other sites.  Heck, the Maiden also had a Mamba profile so I could have found her for free had I looked closely enough, but alas, you find her where you find her.

Keep all your possibilities open -- that's my take on it.

[Misha]

Yeah, to each his own with whatever he is most comfortable.  I would think those with a little more Russian language background would have a higher likelihood of success on the Russian dating sites, but that's merely a guess.

Now, they have an English interface. Still boils down to a numbers game. If you write enough women, eventually you will find some who are interested.

Keep all your possibilities open -- that's my take on it.

I would add that you have to be realistic as well. If you use a free dating site, don't expect the first woman you write will immediately fall for you and be the one. It does take time and persistence, but does pay off in the end if you do it right.

[Sculpto]

Now, they have an English interface. Still boils down to a numbers game. If you write enough women, eventually you will find some who are interested.

I would add that you have to be realistic as well. If you use a free dating site, don't expect the first woman you write will immediately fall for you and be the one. It does take time and persistence, but does pay off in the end if you do it right.

I think you have to write more women on a site like mamba than you would via an agency.  Several factors involved.. first of all, there is no economic motive forcing them to respond.. second.. at this stage I do not believe there are many english speaking people using the site.  Certainly some, but not a huge amount, so, consequently the ladies are surprised when they are approached by someone speaking English.  Learning how to use google or altavista to translate properly makes a big difference.  I have had some great chats that way that had I pursued probably would have led to meetings.  Also, keep this in mind.. I have found a lot of ladies on that site that have already been in the USA and are in a position to come here instead of us going over there for a first visit.  I have met several who were in the planning stages of visits to the USA and were looking for friends to visit.  You just have to be creative and persistent.

[XMan]

Hmmm.

Why things have not worked out is a tough question that I am not sure I have an answer for. 

The university professor that I had so much in common with simply did not work in person.  That was a huge disappointment.  I wish I could explain it.  On paper, as they say, it seemed to be the right match.  In person it was clear it wasn't.  Same with the doctor I met on a different trip.  We spent most of 3 days together and we could see it wasn't happening. 

Limited phone/video prior to travel.  Perhaps more would have helped.  In letters we are often who we wish we were.  Regardless, I still think you don't know until the boots are on the ground and you meet face to face. 

"I'm just curious if you've tried working with an interpreter and placing ads."

You know, I have not tried that, and it could possibly be worth doing. 
I have an interpreter I trust in Kharkov. 
One also in Chernovtsy. 
It's probably fairly inexpensive and could be worthwhile. 

Thanks.

[Misha]

at this stage I do not believe there are many english speaking people using the site

The agency sites don't seem to be comprised solely of English-speaking women either, based on what I read of men paying agencies to translate their letters  :evil: IMHO, a man would be much better off using the services of a reputable person such Anastassia Ash to translate letters using mamba than paying an agency. In the long run, I would wager that it would be cheaper and more effective.

[myrddin]

Why things have not worked out is a tough question that I am not sure I have an answer for. 

The university professor that I had so much in common with simply did not work in person.  That was a huge disappointment.  I wish I could explain it.  On paper, as they say, it seemed to be the right match.  In person it was clear it wasn't.  Same with the doctor I met on a different trip.  We spent most of 3 days together and we could see it wasn't happening. 

Sometimes things don't work out because they're just not right, and we don't know why for a long while (if at all). 

Sounds like you found out relatively quickly - one of my "not rights" took several convoluted months to figure out.

Limited phone/video prior to travel.  Perhaps more would have helped.  In letters we are often who we wish we were.  Regardless, I still think you don't know until the boots are on the ground and you meet face to face. 

Generally I'd think more communication is better.  But actually, when I think about my best prospects, I had just enough to confirm interest before meeting in person.  Without those boots on the ground, we're just playing video games.

"I'm just curious if you've tried working with an interpreter and placing ads."

You know, I have not tried that, and it could possibly be worth doing. 
I have an interpreter I trust in Kharkov. 
One also in Chernovtsy. 

I know one in Dnepr, and I'm sure you could cover most cities with a little help from RWD    Good luck!

[Sculpto]

The agency sites don't seem to be comprised solely of English-speaking women either, based on what I read of men paying agencies to translate their letters  :evil: IMHO, a man would be much better off using the services of a reputable person such Anastassia Ash to translate letters using mamba than paying an agency. In the long run, I would wager that it would be cheaper and more effective.

I was referring to english speaking men.  Also.. from my experience, no one on mamba writes long letters like they might from an agency site.  Its all short messages and thenif you happen to catch someone when they are online it is almost as fast as a chat in messenger.  Men should practice the art of translation via google.. going back and forth and making changes and corrections until there is a clear version of what you are trying to say.  it doesnt take that long and after a while you start to be able to predict how to write so it comes out ok.

Not playing down the value of Anastasia or any of the other professional terps on the forum, but, for basic beginning communications I don't think its really needed.

[JR]

No single approach is "the right one." They all have merits and detriments. In the end it is what works for you that makes it the the right one.

The biggest thing is to not give up. You are never defeated until you refuse to continue. Find what feels right for your particular style and work with it.

What is they say? "The measure of sometings worth is the distance you are willing to go to achieve it."

Never Surrender

[RussianWind]