Hello. I'm ukrainian woman, does anybody wants to ask something? :))

[ECOCKS]

This thread is just amazing.

A 21 year old Ukrainian Women comes here just like everyone else. She comes here to get advice and offer advice from her side.

So what happens.

Half the Men here act as if they have been stranded on a desserted Island without seeing a Woman for 20 years and their hormones kick into overdrive.

Then the other half act as if they are the FBI investigating a terrorist suspect.

What I find most ironic about all this is the youngest one (21 year old who started this thread) is the one proven to be the most mature.

Maybe some should go back and reread this thread and their posts. I think you might feel a little ashamed for your behavior.

One thing I will add to this post. As the moment others have gone so far to search the internet for anything they can find on this girl. Just what justification do you have to do such a thing? Then to come here and post all the information and even going so far to translate it for everyone else.
Who's business is it anyways?

Were you so concerned she was real? Obviously she is. You found her all over the place with the same picture.
What she is looking for is her business. How she goes about looking for that person is her business.
As far as I can remember RWD was not a dating site. She did not come here trying to pick up a Man. She did not come here with some scam or anything else.
Just what give anyone here the right to do what they are doing?
It is mind boggling where some of you come from and the fact you have nothing better to do.
You have acted like complete and total children. Most could take lessons from this 21 year old.

Not my definition of maturity, but to each their own.

[Ravens9273]

Not my definition of maturity, but to each their own.

No your definition of maturity is to act like a 5 year old. You are one of the ones I was refering to. You need to grow up.
Your nothing more than an instigator in the matter and egging others on. That is also imatrue.

[ECOCKS]

No your definition of maturity is to act like a 5 year old. You are one of the ones I was refering to. You need to grow up.
Your nothing more than an instigator in the matter and egging others on. That is also imatrue.

Why thank you very much!

While there are many things you should consider doing, I'm sure you'll find a way to pass the time without any suggestions.

As I say, to each their own.

[Ravens9273]

Why thank you very much!

While there are many things you should consider doing, I'm sure you'll find a way to pass the time without any suggestions.

As I say, to each their own.

No I spend my time being a MAN. Not sitting on this forum all day everyday acting like a 5 year old, As a 5 year old you also talked tough and ran. I love how I instantly got an ignore added after your post.
Truth hurts to hear doesn't it?

And that truth goes to the other 5 year olds here in this thread.
ECOCKS just showed he is guilty of being one by running and hitting ignore button. Scared to face the turth.
You should all be ashamed.
Get a LIFE!!!

[Seeker]

Ludmila's accusation is, frankly, scurrilous.  I think it should be deleted (and if it is, this post should be as well).

I read the profile, and I can't see how anyone can just assume, from what is a pretty innocent profile, that this girl is a prostitute.  Just to be sure I wasn't missing something, I asked my husband to read it as well, and his conclusion was the same as mine.  It also defies logic that a prostitute would be trolling this particular site for clients.  

I read the profile, and I think Ludmila's characterization is mean spirited.  I will say, the language and the answers don't really "match", but there is nothing there that is anywhere near prostitution.

For all we know, Assamena, who last updated that profile yesterday, found somone before the profile was linked.  

I am wondering why it matters ?  The whole profile/personality/occupation thing.   I am happy to hear from and learn from everyone.  Instead of judging, if I was concerned I would just ask in a civil way.  I for one appreciate the opinion of all of you.  And how another member chooses to present him or herself here or elsewhere is not important to me as long as no one is hurt.

I can not understand why this thread has gone to such extremes.  Maybe it is me being naive...  But I am missing the importance of this compared to so many other things.

[elliott]

It turned out all men are gyts. Only some of them masq well

What is a gyt?  And what is masq?

[Boethius]

Raven, stop the personal attacks.  You are on this forum too.

Seeker, I think I'd be upset if someone suggested I were a prostitute based on a few words, which most of the individuals reading the accusation could not understand.  That is the sole reason for my post.

[ECOCKS]

What is a gyt?  And what is masq?

Think she means the Brit expression "git" as in:

 git: an unlikeable person (taken from a British slang site.

"Masq" probably means "mask".

[Seeker]

Raven, stop the personal attacks.  You are on this forum too.

Seeker, I think I'd be upset if someone suggested I were a prostitute based on a few words that most of the individuals hearing the accusation could not understand.  That the sole reason for my post.

I agree with you.  That is why I chose your post to finally reply to and say what I wanted to say after reading all of this.  My question was "Why should I care what she does (or does not do) for a living?"  (did I get the quote/punctuation right?)     I have no right to judge others.  My life has not been an example of perfection.  That is why I am still learning.  What is the point of shunning people and trying to shut out their ideas depending if they agree with us or not?  We are most likely to learn from those that disagree with us, or live a different life. 

Or have a forum war with them.   

I think a lot of what I have read here has been said in a bad spirit.  And some just from ignorance and bad moods. 

Okay... resume the war everyone.  But for what do you all fight?  That is where I am confused.

[ECOCKS]

Seeker, drop into the Chatroom of you'd like some insight into this.

[BillyB]

Actually, time or a quick google search.

JohnDearGreen, not cool posting another person's profile and name without their permission. It is one thing posting a profile/name to warn others of a scammer or sometimes a guy posts a profile to get feedback if it sounds sincere but when the person who posts here owns the profile, it's best to ask for their permission. You should remove it or ask a mod to remove it.

Below is the translation of part of Assamena's profile from a Ukranian "Leizure in Donetsk" site.

Ludmila, "Leizure in Donetsk" has profiles with nude people in it. The link JohnDear posted has the word "dosug" in the website address. Dosug leads to a site where a guy can hook up with prostitutes.

The truth is the site JohnDear posted is simply the same as Singles.ru or the Mamba network and those are dating sites. They do have prostitutes profiles at singles/mamba but they probably got some of those ladies in doing business with dosug.


Now that I know singles/mamba has a partnership with dosug's dating site and share profiles, I guess some of the men in this forum with a profile on singles/mamba can be considered prostitutes too.))))

Ludmila, I understand how you could mistaken anybody listed at the site JohnDeereGreen posted as a prostitute. Most normal people actually sign up at singles/mamba and not dosug.



Some of the behavior I seen in this thread is bizarre especially after the avatar came up. Some behavior is the type that is overly protective, overly suspicious and overly you name it. Some of you guys are going to be hurting when looking for a woman in your life.

Maybe some of you think I have an interest in being protective just because a single lady showed up at this forum but I have criticized the agencies she used in another thread and I made it clear to Asamena in my messages to her that I will be speaking to her as a friend. I don't write love letters, don't make promises, offer to jump on a plane to visit and I don't promote and sell myself to any single lady that shows up at this forum.

Any single lady being at this forum has the added advantage seeing how single men act and react to other people, their views on the World and on life issues before she ever came around. They will not get fooled if a guy acts his best when they first communicate. Assamena may be lucky enough to find a guy here she's compatible with or may have to look elsewhere.

Regardless of how Assemena's feeling after reading the posts in this thread, it would be wise of here to stay and read, learn, help others, and give her opinions on subjects. I found there is always something that could be learned from everyone even if I don't like them. Yep, I've secretly absorbed the knowledge of everyone here including my enemies and now I got some kind of super brain!

[RussianWind]

and on the way she has handled difficult questions, sarcasm and attacks from other members.[/b]

Everybody is surprised about this thread, I am not at all. C'mon, these forums remind playing tennis with a wall - you will get a back reaction depending on your own given pressure.

 

But some members went too far, imho.

Advice to use American English in this forum  :brightidea: Brilliant. Except few words and lines I will hardly see the difference.

[Admin]

I am going to lock this thread.

I have asked Assamena to stick around, in spite of the 'welcome' she received.

I had previously asked Boethius if she would be kind enough to moderate for RWD, and am now adding this forum to those where she has Moderator controls.

- Dan

[Admin]

I am going to take advantage of this post to remind our members of a few important posting considerations.

First of all, you will find the RWD core values contained in the RWD Vision shown at the link above, and it states (relevant passages emphasized):

RWD is the premier online discussion site for people involved, or seeking to be involved, in a romantic relationship with women from the countries of the Former Soviet Union (FSU).

RWD enjoys active and vibrant participation from diverse members across the globe.

RWD stresses inclusivity and self-moderation amongst the members who join our site.

RWD promotes spirited, even heated, discourse and exchange - within the confines of civil behavior and with a focus on increasing our collective knowledge and understanding of these international unions.

RWD acts as a member of the International Relations organization to promote and encourage honest and ethical behaviors among all participants in the international dating community.

Topics at RWD range from politics to sexuality, religion, culture, history and beyond - all within the overall context of international relationships with women from the FSU

RWD practices tolerance of diversity in opinions expressed and experiences shared, and promotes the notion of individual choice wherever and whenever possible.

RWD is an unbiased and independent 'voice' in the international dating/marriage community, free of commercial leverage. We promote no group or organization (except our own) over any other.

We also have posted and stickied our Guidelines for Civil Discourse, which states the following:

• Recognize a person’s right to advocate ideas that are different from your own
• Discuss policies, issues and ideas, not people - and especially not individual RWD members
• Disagree without being disagreeable
• Use civil and helpful, not hurtful language (such as name-calling)
• Respectfully respond to differing points of view
• When unsure of what another poster means by what they have written, ask for clarification
• Realize that what you write and what people understand you have written may be different. Be patient and explain yourself again if other posters misinterpret your meaning - particularly here at RWD where members have a variety of native languages, yet are doing their best to communicate in the common language of American English
• Recognize that sometimes people can and must agree to disagree
• If you are not sure what you are about to say is civil, find another way to say it or let it go
• Reliance on labels for groups of people is often the first step toward the negative. Whenever possible, avoid them. They rarely add to the quality of any discussion
• Put yourself in the other person's shoes as best as possible, to see things from a different perspective - theirs
• Give an additional benefit of doubt to a person whose first language is not English

There are numerous violations of these considerations in this topic.

I am especially disturbed about the apparent condemnation of a new RWD member by some mean-spirited members.

I am going to emphasize several of our tenets - once again - and ask you all to do your best to apply those tenets. They are:

* Maximum inclusivity. RWD continues to want to stress maximum inclusivity. There are, of course, some demographics or interests that are antithesis to our overall 'theme' - but nothing posted by the OP in this topic has indicated she is among those.
* Give the benefit of the doubt. I find it incredible the amount of 'reading between the lines' people seem to be willing to do - and then draw whole cloth from a collection of disparate and possibly unrelated threads. If in doubt - ask! If not certain - do NOT make assumptions! Simple really.

A bit of reflection on all our parts is warranted.

I strongly suspect that Assamena is a young woman who came here with a sincere interest in participating. As she is young, it is possible, even likely, that she is not well-versed in mature reactions to internet provocations - and she probably reacted too defensively. Not surprising, really - and certainly not warranting the responses from some of our members who initiated what looks like (to me, anyway) some form of internet stalking to try to dig up some dirt - and then draw conclusions from some things that just do not make sense (at least, to me they do not).

OK - all for now.

- Dan