Interpreter's

[Casanova]

Knowing that the average salary of a Ukrainian Citizen is $35-$50 a month ($100-$200 in Kiev) one can easily post advertisement for interpreter's or interpreting jobs for FREE on the various free online job and employment sites in Kiev.

    From personal experience I know that 10 or more responses from good, talented, impressive (truly) CV holding interpreter's will show for interviews, and an offer of $100 a month can land you some great part time, or full time interpreter's for your stay there in Ukraine while dating and seeking potential marriage minded women.

     Here are the links for posting the free ads.  One girl came as far away as Vinnitsa to do the interpreting job at the $100 a month offer.  Be sure you have a detailed offer, pay all there expenses (meals and transportation when doing the interpreting work with you, or for you), as well as a detailed and specific "job" description.

     This will save you a TON of money on interpreter's, and you want to have more than one, in case something happens.   It's even better when you can take your interpreter to cities and small towns outside Ukraine, and meet the ladies on your own.  Your chances increase, because the girls are less suspicious or let there guard down when you have a nice young lady (interpreter) with you, who can fluently speak the language, and often times, make the introduction right there on the bus, train, metro, or cafe, or where ever you happen to spot a young lovely marriage minded or available Ukrainain girl.  It's the best way fellas.

     www.rabota.kiev.ua  www.rabota.com.ua  www.job.avanport.com

    You'll save money on interpreting, give a young university student or unemployed Ukrainian girl employment, have great company and or traveling companions, and increase your chances for meeting girls OUTSIDE the agency who are "agenda free" and unjaded from dating foreign men (as a rule   You're money will go further, and your chances at finding better quality dates will triple  - guarunteed.

      Hope this helps.  Cool thing is, it's all FREE (those links!!!), and you'll get a GREAT response, guarunteed!

      Merry Christmas!

 

 

 

 

[al-c]

That is good if you have extensive need for an interpreter, but you can also get one by the hour if you don't really need one a lot.  I paid $6.00 per hour for mine, which is big money to them and small change to us.

[Casanova]

Once you have paid their transportation, which most will ask for 40-50 grivna total, or both ways (there and back) <which is high>, and IF going through a marriage agency, a minimum of two hours, or average $20 minimum up front for those first "minimum" two hours, (or use of an agency and their services ongoing or a "consult fee" of maybe $150 or more) you can get an interpreter at that rate.  Many men on the discussion boards about dating Russian women speak about how they'd like to "do it on their own" and to "avoid the agencies".  My vast experience with men while "over there" backs up these recent statements on this, and other boards.

    Most men on their first trip over will spend $50-$100 per day on interpreters, particularly if they are dating more than one woman, and of course that depends on her ability to speak english or english speaking level/fluency, as well as other factors.  It's complete idiocy to spend that much, when you can hire TWO full time interpreter's for your average 10-14 day trip to Ukraine or Russia, and have them for your own personal assistance/interpreting during that time ($200 total, or $100 a piece).  This is reality.  So why not have TWO full time (or even "part time") interpreter's during your trip, for what the "average" tourist will spend in 2-4 days with the "marriage agency"?  As I said, (and if you are experienced, you should know this), you will do FAR better approaching REAL Ukrainian or Russian women on the street, in the cafe, at the university, in the shop, at the store, etc. IF you have a girl with you (interpreter), verses being BY yourself, or with a "buddy".  I know, i've done it many, many times.  They are less "on guard", and easier to approach, verses being the "lone man" "on the hunt" so to speak, when you have a woman with you (interpeter)   Any true Veteran who has dated and done some "wife hunting" in the Ukraine or Russia knows this to be true, and the best approach   I also don't know of any man yet, who wants to waste money, be it $6.00 or 6 cents.  With marriage agencies, if you are not careful and wise, you'll waste hundreds, if not THOUSANDS of dollars.  I know that from experience too.  Furthermore, a good, honest Russian or Ukrainian woman will CRINGE and DESPISE the fact that any MAN would WASTE money.  Again, I'd challenge an experienced man in this process to counter that.  Many insincere RW and UW will love to blow cash... precisely the type of woman that most intelligent and caring men don't want. 

      In any case, this should be a great help to the newbie, or experienced in this pursuit, because I had so many interpreter's with GREAT CV's, and 8 of 10 that I interviewed were 8-9's on the model scale or "looks" rating   Food for thought, and a wise way to go, especially for the wiser among us who don't want to WASTE precious cash, or give it away to the marriage agencies.  For example European Connections cash flowed over $20 million last year (2004).  Yes, we know there are a lot of idiots out there, and that 97% of the men that write those letters (paying $4 each way for interpreting) will NEVER "go over" to meet them, but alas, the newbies are never told this by most.   That's why JB always said, don't start writing girls until your about 4-6 weeks before your departure date - and that was GREAT advice.

     Heck, for $20 million, there should be a LOT of Russia/American marriages, and A LOT of happily married American men, wouldn't you say?  One wonders, just how many they can show for that amount of cash flow?   I know a lot about them, I used to date one of their interpreters (for their socials, and agency).  Interesting business, to say the least

    Most men, unless fluent in Russian, will need an interpreter, and every little $6 someone can save, which quickly adds up to $100's over there, will help.  I hope this helps... and for the more practical embarking on this process, I am certain it will.  You never know, you might even meet your FUTURE WIFE in this very way (trust me, some of you who go at it this way, probably WILL

 

 

[dorogoyroberto]

And, sir, have you been successful in your quest?

Roberto
Kiev, Ukraine

[Casanova]

Indeed, I have.  Of course, perhaps success is defined by various means, and measures, and if we speak of actually having "the wife", I have "the fiance" and the rest is just a matter of keeping a good relationship, and PAPERWORK (one document away from 'closing the deal)

    More over, knowing what I know now, I am confident without a shadow of a doubt, I could repeat the process a dozen times or more.  I think the average man can with time, and money, and some have more, or less of both, than others, and better "luck" than others... however the dice may fall... though again, I think we can all agree (or disagree perhaps) that the APPROACH can make quite a bit of difference. 

[Turboguy]

I think you make a good point when you say knowing what I know I could repeat the process a dozen times and that the approach is the key. 

I am not sure I have it quite as figured out as you think you have but I have learned a lot.  In the 6 or 7 weeks I have been back in the search it sure seems like it is much easier process now.   I think maybe I have learned much more about aproach and the process since my last experience.   

I think some came from trial and error  (error seems like an understatement), but if my approach has improved I think much of that came from RWD, from reading the trip reports, the successes, the failures, the real life stories of a lot of good people chasing their dreams (or in the case of a few their next notch on their belt). 

As far as your original post about the interpreters, I think for many of us that is not a way we can go.   In my case I am have two trips planed in the next month.  One is 8 days and one is 5.  The 8 day one has me both in Russia and Ukraine.  It is not a practicle idea for the trips I have planned now.   There are a lot of guys who make longer trips (I may do that in March or April)  For them may be a wonderful idea.   I had not heard that suggested before and it is a post I want to keep in my mind in case it ever fits me.  Thanks for the suggestion.


 

[Casanova]

You may be correct, as some interpreter's may not want to travel with you, however, many do and WILL   I would always have 2 on back up... never rely on one 'terp' (interpreter).  If your destination is several cities or small towns, you might try advertising for interpreter's or guides there, if you can get that advertising information and ad placed in Russian in advance before going there.  There are plenty of girls who will respond that have excellent experience, and who also want more - more experience to add to their resume, and for practical purposes - that is, they truly want to practice and use their english.  I have taken both male, and female interpeter's in Ukraine, and in Russia to small towns, and the larger cities.  I don't recommend a male interpreter for several reasons.  However, I assure you, there are PLENTY of young ladies who are VERY capable and desperately needing the work.  As always, I'd just be sure to have 2-3 on the line, and as a back up.  I had 10, literally... didn't need them, but I knew from years of running a business and having a team of employees, that you ALWAYS need a back up  

[robbiedublu]

When I click on those links they're all in Russian. If I knew Russian I wouldn't need an interpreter.

[Jack]

Many good points about 'terp's'.

If I may add a few more. Always try to get independent interpreters from any partiular agency you are working with. Most agencies will want you to use their terp, and it's natural, but try to find a terp from another source than from the agency the lady you are seeing comes from.  Now their are many fine agencies who will have good terp's but their are some scam agencies, or suspect agencies, who will play games with you and their terp. I expect the percentage of agencies involved with these type games is probably around 30% and up to about 38% so you can see it's not a majority of agencies who play such games, but beware that their is a chance you could be involved with such an agency. To increase your chances of this not happening to you then try to find a terp not associated with the agency.

Do not seek terp's you are interested in. If your interested in her then date her independently but do NOT use her as your terp for meeting other ladies.

And al-c, your making the same mistake I made. Your going to piss-off Sterlitz by quoating $6 an hour interpreters.

[Casanova]

Actually, some will do it for $5, and if you get an older woman, $4 an hour   As I mentioned, I had over ten interviews, one girl traveling all the way from Vinitsa to answer my ad, and all willing to work part time or full time for $100 a month, as advertised.  Great advice Jack.

[BC]

Best price for value is $ 0.00 per hour.. Just find women you can communicate with.  Saves mucho bucks, headaches and possible heartache.

[TigerPaws]

Best price for value is $ 0.00 per hour.. Just find women you can communicate with.  Saves mucho bucks, headaches and possible heartache.

 [color="blue"][size="4"]BC,
 While that is a wonderful sentiment it is not always possible or necessary, my lady spoke very little English (almost none) when we were writing each other and when we met. I used an interpreter for all of our written communications and we did just fine when we met with a dictionary. I have used [/size][/color][color="blue"][size="4"]interpreters and found their services to be invaluable, additionally many of the most desirable girls speak little or no English so a man is limiting his choices if he seeks out only ladies who speak English.
 Of course everyones wants, needs and desires are different, to some knowledge of English is important and others maybe not.
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[RacerX]

I echo TigerPaws, and of course we must remember that these women live in the FSU and not the US so logically most will not speak English.

I would point out one really big problem with hiring a young, attractive terp, and that is your 'lady friends' are not going to like the "competition" whether it be overt or not.  You're much better hiring an older married women as your terp to avoid even the slightest chance of a bad translation, and as importantly, you want a terp who is carefully attuned to cultural matters so she may advise you on such things, including that what you just said would be better off restated or not interpreted at all.

I remember reading somewhere that at those "socials" some of the agencies use, it's not uncommon for the interpreters to be the most popular women asked out.

[BC]

Tiger,

I assume by 'most desirable' you mean better looking.

I guess there may be a shortage of english speaking women that are 'hot'.. certainly their chances would be much better with WM and already 'taken' or happy in the job market and/or their partner selection criteria higher.

If we can agree that it would generally be easier and more effective to 'date' english speaking women then can it be said that WM are trading beauty for more difficulty and ultimately more risk?..

Is there really a shortage of english speaking ladies?.. I dunno maybe some owners can chip in..  but seems putting those available at the top of your list is much better than grasping at straws.

Would the world be a bit different (and maybe better for some) if agency websites were without pictures and more emphasis placed on desired qualities instead?

Hope this is not too off topic.. but starting out by picking ladies requiring interpreters is choosing second cut material.

Of course learning Russian would resolve it all but naa.. that sounds like work.. better to let that be a problem for the ladies to deal with..

[TigerPaws]

Tiger,

I assume by 'most desirable' you mean better looking. [color="blue"][size="4"]Yes, better looking (whatever that means), younger maybe, more intelligent (hopefully) generally more what the man who is looking wants in a lady. More choices would be the bottom line.[/size][/color]

If we can agree that it would generally be easier and more effective to 'date' english speaking women then can it be said that WM are trading beauty for more difficulty and ultimately more risk?.. [color="blue"][size="4"]I do not believe any more risk is involved, a point could be made that English speaking women are more prone to be a problem (scam, DV, green card seeker). I would agree there are more difficulties in a non English speaking lady as I have gone through that but it is not all that difficult just more time consuming.[/size][/color]

Is there really a shortage of english speaking ladies?.. I dunno maybe some owners can chip in..  but seems putting those available at the top of your list is much better than grasping at straws. [color="blue"][size="4"]Interesting question and I would imagine a difficult one to answer.[/size][/color]

Would the world be a bit different (and maybe better for some) if agency websites were without pictures and more emphasis placed on desired qualities instead?[color="blue"][size="4"]Yes things would be much different, I would have never met my lady and most likely never tried looking to the FSU for a lady.[/size][/color]

Hope this is not too off topic.. but starting out by picking ladies requiring interpreters is choosing second cut material.[color="blue"][size="4"]BC, while I disagree with you about second best, it is not for everyone, the couple will have to be very paitent and committed to make it work, it is a lot more difficult.[/size][/color]

[BC]

Tiger,

Thanks for the frank replies.

OFF TOPIC:

Interesting thought came up:brightidea:.. in most browsers it is possible to turn off images..  This should hide the pictures.  Pick an agency site with a good search engine and review the profiles. Pick your top 10 and and save the link.. then turn the images back on and see what they looks like!

I think I'll start a thread on this and see if some folks will post their results.. might be fun.. Will call the thread 'RealityCheck!'

[TigerPaws]

[color="blue"][size="4"]BC,
 That could be fun but it is not going to happen, usually not enough information is given about a lady. As an example here is the bio I had to work with when I ordered her address, without a photo I would have never sent her a letter and now she is my wife.
 By-the-way the English rating of E-3 was total bull maybe E-1.5 if I was very lucky.

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[BC]

LOL Tiger!!

I love the "not spoiled part"

.. just pokin at ya!

[TigerPaws]

LOL Tiger!!

I love the "not spoiled part"

.. just pokin at ya!

[color="blue"][size="4"]No problem, my lady was not 5' 9" she is 5' 7" the 126lbs was close, she was 125lbs, the city was right as for her requirements for a man, well I must have made the grade but don't ask me how.[/size][/color]

[Casanova]

RacerX, very true, very true.  Nice thing is, the older terps are FREE or $4 and hour, a savings if you use them alot   However, I had my young interpreter with me when I met another lovely young Ukrainian girl on the trolley just in Kiev from a trip to Russia.  So it can work either way, however, as you mention, I had some girls up from Kherson who were quite suspicious and 'onguard' about my interpeter