Update on Ideas and Perspectives...

[seraphimangel]

After some more talk and consideration and everything else involved, I can't help but think that the girl I know is a legitimate and fully-verified human being! That's right, a total person with ups/downs and pretty to boot!

Ok, now, you may argue my logic about her, but I went back to AW (I saw she wrote a letter like over a week ago and I decided to pay to read it out of curiosity)... the letter stated that she thought our future conversations should take place between us on the phone or email instead of agency to save me money and so we can have fuller conversations. 

I talk to her on the phone maybe 3 times a week and maybe 3 times on skype as well.  I have no seen her logged onto AW at all this whole week ... very cool.

----------- NOW MY NEW REVELATION-----------

After reading all your views, I have a hybrid of opinion.. of sorts.

I want to plan my trip (date already set with her, with consideration that I want all her attention while I'm there and she agreed and said that if I fly across the world to see her, it's the least she could do)...

Anyhow, I want this to be a one woman thing... BUT... it would ultimately blow death chunks if I arrived there and she either backed out, didn't like me or decided my job was to be her personal shopper.  I don't see this though, but if it does, I don't want to be in the Ukraine having a horrid time with limited options.

SOOOOO, I have phone numbers and contact info (home address not on the main streets of Odessa) to two women in Odessa.  These two unfortunately speak horrible English and I speak no Russian.  Anyone have any recommended phone translators they have personally used?  I've been trying to check reviews here but can't find anything stable or anything that's not outdated...

If I can get a response today, that would be great, I'd like to call them both today because I've kind of ignored them for weeks and would like not to let them entirely disappear.  I'd like to keep a "friendship" with them vs. something special with this one girl.  That way if something fails, I have someone to hang out with, even if just as friends.  Both the girls in Odessa weeks ago agreed that considering how funny we got along, that being friends and nothing more was on the table should magic not exist between  us.

Let me know, a phone call would really cheer me up today. =)

[FredC]

I can highly recommend Anastassia Ash. She has done a great job for me.

[seraphimangel]

Hooked something up with her.  She seems nice enough at this point.  I'll let you know later.

[seraphimangel]

I can highly recommend Anastassia Ash. She has done a great job for me.

Seemed like a pretty nice lady.  Did an excellent job with translation.  Wasn't really inventive and helpful on my failures but did a good direct translation. 

She was very flexible considering I was almost cold calling two people I hadn't spoke to in months.  Ms. Ash was like .. .WAIT... these girls don't know you're going to call?!?!? I said, I haven't been using the Anastasia site anymore and furthermore, these two girls in particular have the worst english, it's not like I can call and say "hey, I'll have a translator tomorrow".. i said.. I'd pay her wage to simply wait...

She was nice nonetheless and was willing to help.  She did an overall, very good job, seems like she's usually busy too, she has whole days blocked on her schedule.

Anyhow, she seemed like a good choice.  She was hesitant till I mentioned near the middle where I found out about her and that someone here recommended her.  She then went from decent, to VERY pleasant and very kind. 

So, I'd use her again. =)

[BillyB]

it would ultimately blow death chunks if I arrived there and she either backed out, didn't like me or decided my job was to be her personal shopper.  I don't see this though, but if it does, I don't want to be in the Ukraine having a horrid time with limited options.

You could meet ladies on the street too if things don't work out. Here's a couple of dating sites.

http://bride.ru/ is one you have to pay for but you get full contact info which includes phone numbers. The ladies there are considering a relationship with a man from another country

http://singles.ru/ is a free site but you get no contact info unless you ask the ladies but they may not give it to your immediately since they have plenty of guys asking for their number all the time. Most ladies there look for local men and have little intention to relocate to another country.

I wasn't impressed with your lady's personality based off the first 2 weeks you communicated with her. Be prepared to drop her if she has a bad personality or character flaws. Don't let her beauty blind you and don't let the little head do all the thinking.

[seraphimangel]

Hate to admit this to you Billy, but I just had my first run in with her bad side (I kinda like the other bad side you didn't)... she was having a bad day "apparently" and straight hung up on me rudely on chat.  I saw she was on live cam on AW, and decided I had a few minutes left on it I have never used and asked "????" ... and she said she was not in the mood to talk or chat right now.

I didn't ask the obvious (i.e. she's at an agency talking to SOMEONE)... I said "do you not want to talk to me right now?" ... she said "no"... I said "ok, then you can write me an email when you're in a better place/mood" ... and she said "yes, thanks." and closed the window.

Her responses to me were short, but I could clearly see that she was typing a whole lot to SOMEONE.  I mean, she doesn't want me talking to other people, she's obviously typing to someone else a whole lot more than me.  Either her personal life at home, or the someone else she knows got her in a bad mood and I'm being treated like an ass.... I mean, I don't know how to take that.

There could be a lot of explanations but recently she started linking shoes she's liked on Amazon.com and asking me about buying shoes for her again (last time I rejected her money and just bought the shoes if you remember)... now I'm thinking she thinks I'm her shoe maven... she also directly asked me to send her some american chocolate, which I figure is really no big deal.. but the shoe thing x1.. and now x2... is kinda putting up a flag to me.. and her general rudeness to others is funny to me... but it's not funny when she is that rude to me.

She also has almost daily bombarded me with communications, and today I had none after last night. 

I'm beginning to not be impressed with her and I brought up her pictures to my friend at work and she laughed and said she wouldn't cross the world for that... moreover, she says my ex-girlfriend (who occasionally still has lunch with me) is much prettier.

This is beginning to bother me.  How do you guys deal with the long distance weirdness??? I can't even imagine going 4-6 months in the dark about someone after you meet them and think something good is happening.

Anyhow, I'll play it by ear and see what she turns into but I'm not sending her anymore crap.  Plus, I've now been in contact with girl #1 (Zaporozhye) who refused the money and she is sweet and nice as ever and was bothered that I've learned (from girl #3 tons of russian bad words), she said it was funny but people shouldn't teach me such words, they won't help me ... I've talked to another girl (#4 with translator) who seems sincerely very sweet, very nice and is amazingly talkative, and apparently didn't want me to waste my money on the translator and call money for too long and asked for me to email her (and in email said she'd give me her ICQ information so I don't have to pay... and we could use skype later).

Still trying to hunt down former girl #2 and get a story on that.  I've taken a crack at Elena's model and used their "EOI" thing and have gotten 3 positives and 1 negative so far... I'm guessing the pretty blonde/blue eyed girl who only wanted European didn't like what I was =( .... oh well. 

I really don't know if I have the patience for this kind of thing though, I like being able to drive down and pick someone up for dinner or date nights... not having to cross the world for date# 1, then continue for a few days... then do it all again months later... seems like it would be emotionally draining.

[tim 360]

"Could be alot of explanations"....??? Sometimes we all too easily make excuses for anothers poor behaviour, I've done that and in the end finally realized that my explanations were pointless--they were just rudeor worse--but me,  I'd rationalize and make excuses for them.  I quit doing that along time ago.  This girl--she is what she is.

[Gator]

I really don't know if I have the patience for this kind of thing though

The patience required now is small, really small, compared to the patience you must have if you marry one, especially during their first couple of years in the country.

Your favorite woman (No. 3) seems very immature. 

Keep trying with Elena's models.  Send out more EOIs.  Be more discriminating about what you want.

As an alterantive to EM, some people have had good "luck" with Lucky Lovers and Russian Euro.  Some women are on all three sites.  There is no need to join all three, yet joining a couple should expand your possibilities.

[BillyB]

Hate to admit this to you Billy, but I just had my first run in with her bad side (I kinda like the other bad side you didn't)... she was having a bad day "apparently" and straight hung up on me rudely on chat.  

I knew it was going to happen but I'm surprised to see it happen this quickly. Her vulgar behavior was cute when you seen her do it on other people, but not so cute when it's done to you. You were so focused on a possible scam with girl #3 you're not thinking 10 years of marriage living in hell and a messy expensive divorce is much worse, especially if you got kids involved. Scams are actually easy to avoid. You need to focus on how to read women so you don't end up in a bad marriage.

I saw she was on live cam on AW, and decided I had a few minutes left on it I have never used and asked "????" ... and she said she was not in the mood to talk or chat right now.

I didn't ask the obvious (i.e. she's at an agency talking to SOMEONE)... I said "do you not want to talk to me right now?" ... she said "no"... I said "ok, then you can write me an email when you're in a better place/mood" ... and she said "yes, thanks." and closed the window.

She doesn't think of you enough to talk to you unless she wants such as the times she's asking you for shoes. I mentioned to you in your other thread I consider her a scammer simply because she plays the game her agency AnastasiaWeb asks her too. She does not care about other people and when she's tired of you, how do you think she'll act then? For a woman who said she'll wait 10 years for you, it seems she's going to keep her options for men open.

It's possible you are losing her because of how you act. You admitted to being goofy at times and if you displayed that behavior on camera, she may think it's funny for a while and then it could turn her off.

There could be a lot of explanations but recently she started linking shoes she's liked on Amazon.com and asking me about buying shoes for her again (last time I rejected her money and just bought the shoes if you remember)... now I'm thinking she thinks I'm her shoe maven... she also directly asked me to send her some american chocolate, which I figure is really no big deal.. but the shoe thing x1.. and now x2... is kinda putting up a flag to me.. and her general rudeness to others is funny to me... but it's not funny when she is that rude to me.

She's a material girl in a material World. There are enough women out there that does not need your money of gifts to make them happy. Find one. Your lady based on her job as a web cam girl has lots of experience with men, many of the men is twice your age and has twice the experience and she still knows how to get what she wants.
  

I'm beginning to not be impressed with her and I brought up her pictures to my friend at work and she laughed and said she wouldn't cross the world for that... moreover, she says my ex-girlfriend (who occasionally still has lunch with me) is much prettier.

Your lady friend could be jealous. You are the one that understands what tickles your fancy. Would you rather go to bed with someone you're attracted to or someone that you're not attracted to but your friend is attracted to?

This is beginning to bother me.  How do you guys deal with the long distance weirdness??? I can't even imagine going 4-6 months in the dark about someone after you meet them and think something good is happening.

You don't deal with it. You eliminate it. I've communicated with enough women to understand much of what you're going through. I don't tolerate bad behavior and I would never recommend a guy jumping on a plane to visit a photo he met online. Correspondence with the ladies may not tell you if you and her can spend a life together with them but you can use it to eliminate ladies that have many differences in beliefs, are insincere, rude, and not into you. Why would anyone wanna spend thousands to visit those ladies?

I've now been in contact with....

Good, you need more contact to see what's available out there. You need more options so you can make a good decision on what is the best woman for you to spend your life with. Use other agencies and/or dating sites to find her.

I really don't know if I have the patience for this kind of thing though, I like being able to drive down and pick someone up for dinner or date nights... not having to cross the world for date# 1, then continue for a few days... then do it all again months later... seems like it would be emotionally draining.

Patience and emotionally draining? If you found the right woman, patience comes easy and the right woman won't emotionally drain you even if you live on the other side of the World.