Hello everyone!

[ColoMan75]

Obviously, I am new to this.  My name is Brent, I'm 35 and from Northern Colorado.  I suppose the reasons that I am here are because I haven't had the best time with American women.  I have been cheated on, lied to, etc.  So one of the biggest things that I am hoping to find is that Russian women might be more family orientated and want to be with only one person instead of hopping from guy to guy. 

I would have to say that part of my problem is that I am attracted to younger women, even though I am 35, I prefer to date early 20 year olds.  I am sure that maturity is an issue here also.  So if anyone is reading this and has any ideas on what I should do, please write me and let me know.  I am very serious about settling down but I don't want to settle for just anyone, I want to be excited to come home from work to be with my wife.

If anyone can tell me their experiences and can recommend where I should start, please feel free, I would love to hear about it.

Thanks everyone.

[SMS60]

Welcome Coloman

You forgot to tell the forum how good of shape you are in and you dont look one day over 30.

Other than that everything looks normal. Good luck

P.S. Dan the head man of the forum is from your area. Maybe you can look him up and invite him for drinks and pick his brain.

[vwrw]

Welcome!

Maybe you should look among Latin women for the Ms Right. It is believed they are loyal regardless of what they have got for husband.  You would have to deserve the loyalty of majority of FSU women over and over again. In terms of loyalty, they are comparable to American women, probably.  If you could not keep attention of AW on yourself, the chance is high that FSUW will eventually cheat on you too.

[Mila]

Hi Brent, nice to see you. You are a young guy and I think you may have a good luck among our girls. Yes, you can choose among 20 y.o. girls, so it is very very possible. But, my advice is to keep your eyes open on older girls as you never know what may happen Best wishes!

[Muzh]

Hi Coloman and welcome. You will notice or probably have noticed that many members will tell you as it is. Myself included. So don't take it personally, but keep your ears and mind open.

I would have to say that part of my problem is that I am attracted to younger women, even though I am 35, I prefer to date early 20 year olds.  I am sure that maturity is an issue here also.  So if anyone is reading this and has any ideas on what I should do, please write me and let me know.  I am very serious about settling down but I don't want to settle for just anyone, I want to be excited to come home from work to be with my wife.

If anyone can tell me their experiences and can recommend where I should start, please feel free, I would love to hear about it.

Thanks everyone.

Mila is the eternal diplomat. Maybe she had a previuos carrer in foreign diplomacy. 

What she is telling you and I will second that is that the issues you talked about with AW is nothing more than inmaturity. Actually, it is not inmaturity but in reality most of them don't know what they want yet; except for partying, that is. You will find almost the same in the former Soyuz, however, you can also find a gem among them. Same here in the USA. The only difference is that you will pay much more to date and marry a girl from the FSU. The pros are many in the FSU already had training from their mothers on how to run a household which you seldom see here. Please understand that is not a deal breaker for the AW. It just takes a little longer and a little more patience with the AW. Everything else is basically the same.

Regarding the AW turning into fat slobs, only if you allow that to happen. If you tend the store, you'll never be hoodwinked, if you know what I mean.

Good luck and ask away.

P.S. Mila lives in Ukraine and would be a great contact if you decide to go there.

P.S.S. I would strongly advise you to go. It is an experience of a lifetime.

[Jack]

I would have to say that part of my problem is that I am attracted to younger women,

 I prefer to date early 20 year olds. 

hey, you've come to the right place. 


And you'll also get differing opinions on these younger women and FSU women in general, such as the quote below.

I usually find myself in agreement more often than not with vwrw but here we couldn't be further apart in our own respective opinions

You would have to deserve the loyalty of majority of FSU women over and over again.

If you could not keep attention of AW on yourself, the chance is high that FSUW will eventually cheat on you too.

Of course it's only my opinion but it is based on what I have seen in general for a long time from a lot of American and FSU women.    A good Russian woman will never cheat on her man.  I am so sure of this statement I want to repeat it, ....A good Russian woman will never cheat on her man.

As in all societies one can expect to find men and women who cheat, and who do not have the best of morals.   And yes, this type woman does exist in Russia. But it is again my opinion that the percentage of overall good women, women who are not going to cheat on their husband, is much higher in Ukraine/Russia than in America.

[LAman]

Hello ColoMan....

What I find interesting in your post is that the AW you have been with lied to you and cheated you...then you say that you 'prefer' to date 20 yr olds......Do you SEE the problem????
Young girls are the same everywhere, difference is the young FSU girls will just be more expensive than the young AG.

If you are still game, plan on spending lots of loot and walking through minefields.

[I/O]

the percentage of overall good women, women who are not going to cheat on their husband, is much higher in Ukraine/Russia than in America.

Russian and Ukrainian men have their fair share of "play time", probably more so than American men and unless they are all playing up with the same group of women, the numbers are simple, plenty of Russian and Ukrainian women play up also, many more than the dream seekers would care to admit. I've seen more than enough Russian women leaving wherever with the wrong car keys in their hands. They ain't all paragons of virtue. A "good" (if the argument is to be underscored with that caveat) woman is a good woman anywhere by definition. Bloodlines won't make the slightest difference, American, Russian, Australian or Nonconthumpian.

recommend where I should start

Coloman, based on your opening description and given your ultimate aspiration which appears to be having a long term, faithful, stay-at-home much younger wife, you're probably wasting your time hunting in Russia.

[Gator]

Obviously, I am new to this.  My name is Brent, I'm 35 and from Northern Colorado.  I suppose the reasons that I am here are because I haven't had the best time with American women.  I have been cheated on, lied to, etc.  So one of the biggest things that I am hoping to find is that Russian women might be more family orientated and want to be with only one person instead of hopping from guy to guy. 

There are reasons why a woman would lie to you and cheat on you.  If she is mentally stable, cheating simply means she is still looking.  Either she is not ready to settle down,  or she finds something lacking about you.   If she meets  someone who turns her head, she will give him a try.  In other words, she could care less about the relationship because she is willing to risk losing it. 

Mature women tend to know that it is healthier to exit an existing relationship before starting a new relationship.  Young 20s women may not know this, and thus play. [I have no idea about how young 20s women think.]

So why does Jack say the following?

 ....A good Russian woman will never cheat on her man.

As in all societies one can expect to find men and women who cheat, and who do not have the best of morals.   And yes, this type woman does exist in Russia. But it is again my opinion that the percentage of overall good women, women who are not going to cheat on their husband, is much higher in Ukraine/Russia than in America.

What is the difference?  Are young 20s RW more ready to settle down than their AW sisters of the same age?  Are RW more forgiving of a man's shortcomings?  Are RW indeed more serious about keeping a relationship?  Do they talk more about problems in relationship and what needs to be done to make it better? 

I have not noted a difference between older RW and older AW with regard to keeping a relationship.  There are many good RW and many good AW (based on the women I have known).

[vwrw]

I usually find myself in agreement more often than not with vwrw but here we couldn't be further apart in our own respective opinions

Perhaps, our disagreement arises from different views on people. Jack, you seem to believe that people can be divided into good and bad categories. I believe that with few exceptions, people are neutral; they can become bad if they perceive being mistreated or/and deprived in some ways for a long time; and they can be good if they are happy with their situation. I have this opinion because I have witnessed women who were cheaters in one relationship; however, they could not even bear the thought of cheating in another relationship. I do not think this transformation occurred because morality suddenly awoke within them. They simply exchanged incompatible and dissatisfying partners for compatible ones. 

[Blues Fairy]

have witnessed women who were cheaters in one relationship; however, they could not even bear the thought of cheating in another relationship. I do not think this transformation occurred because morality suddenly awoke within them. They simply exchanged incompatible and dissatisfying partners for compatible ones.  

Or, they had their a$$ kicked and learned their lesson?    (Part of the process of growing up, I suppose)

[GQBlues]

Obviously, I am new to this.  My name is Brent, I'm 35 and from Northern Colorado.  I suppose the reasons that I am here are because I haven't had the best time with American women.  I have been cheated on, lied to, etc.  So one of the biggest things that I am hoping to find is that Russian women might be more family orientated and want to be with only one person instead of hopping from guy to guy.

There's no such thing as a partly poisoned well Coloman. The top complaint of FSUWs is that it is hard for them to find a man who won't cheat on them, but then you must ask yourself the question...who are those men cheating with?

If you can answer that (it isn't a trick question), then come prepared things may not necessarily change for you. If anyone tells you otherwise, then I guarantee you the next information will be is how much it'll cost you to venture forth to the magical land of forever-faithful, family-oriented women.

If anyone can tell me their experiences and can recommend where I should start, please feel free, I would love to hear about it.

Yourself. You're 35 and should be at the prime of your life and manhood. Something is amiss if your relationships always end with women lying and cheating on you and it isn't the women....

[SFandEE]

I think it is a great idea to broaden your prospective base to include women from other countries.  I do not think it would be wise to expect that is will result in women treating you differently than you currently experience, although going through this process might be a great opportunity to better refine your search criteria.

As you know there is no warranty with women--so the skill will be upon you to find a good woman who loves you.  One of the tricks will be to make sure you don't let an amazingly beautiful woman without those qualities get your heart.  That applies to FSUW and AW.

Good luck.

[dbneeley]

Coloman,

One of the oldest topics on these forums is that of the large age gap relationships. However, you are also trying to contend with females who are still very young and relatively inexperienced--still rarely serious about what they actually want and need in life.

I live in Ukraine, and I see many fine ladies of all ages here--but to expect the early 20s types to be ready to settle down for a lifetime commitment is not necessarily realistic--even if they think they are. Many women here get married during those years--but just as in the States, a huge percentage of those marriages do not last.

I have also observed a large difference between the ladies who reached adulthood under the Soviet system and those who have grown up since. Values and expectations today are much more similar to those of their counterparts in the West among the younger ones, as a rule.

In my opinion, you would be much better off to include the mid to late 20s in your searches. You will find many more serious ladies who are finished with their educations and who have fairly well figured out what they want from life. You will also find more who are ready to be your partner in building a family rather than seeking the "next big thing."

Consider, too, that very pretty young girls here are fairly common. What happens when, at that age, they get to the States and suddenly they stand out and grab the attention of every male who happens along? If they don't have a good deal of maturity, that could be a temptation they may find difficult to resist--and you'd be back in your previous situation only with a long term obligation of support thrown in as part of the deal.

By all means come over and find out what it's all about--only if you are wise you'll keep your options open a bit more and seriously decide for yourself what qualities are important in building a happy and satisfying family.

Just remember the old saying: "If you keep doing what you've been doing, you'll keep getting what you've been getting." Perhaps it's time to re-evaluate your approach?

David

[Muzh]

mistreated or/and deprived in some ways for a long time; and they can be good if they are happy with their situation. I have this opinion because I have witnessed women who were cheaters in one relationship; however, they could not even bear the thought of cheating in another relationship. I do not think this transformation occurred because morality suddenly awoke within them. They simply exchanged incompatible and dissatisfying partners for compatible ones. 

You obviously have not met my ex. She's batting 1.000, five for five.

There some people that are not happy with themselves and this is one important reason for cheating.

[Gator]

Just remember the old saying: "If you keep doing what you've been doing, you'll keep getting what you've been getting." Perhaps it's time to re-evaluate your approach?

"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
                                                   ------   Albert Einstein (attributed)