the dance coming to an end part deux

[Fishingguy]

so now we have a sick grandfather and she has no money to pay for the hospital bills after saying she can come to see me immediately through a special travel agency. 

too funny!

is it so hard to ask for a genuine sexy educated slavic girl who can cook, read the financial times, hold a good conversation, have a sense of humor and play 4.0 tennis? 

[Faux Pas]

Fishingguy

More often than not your catch is directly related to the bait you use and the waters you fish 

[Fishingguy]

my bait is good. I keep on getting carp. 

one day I'll finally take home the keeper.

and I know deep down I should fish more domestic waters - easier path. But there's drama with women everywhere hahaha.

[Boethius]

You need to look at what attracts you.  There is only drama if that is what you choose.

[Fishingguy]

sometimes I think about the one that got away and lament my stupidity.

You need to look at what attracts you.  There is only drama if that is what you choose.

[GQBlues]

so now we have a sick grandfather and she has no money to pay for the hospital bills after saying she can come to see me immediately through a special travel agency...

 


Aww c'mon now! Be patient....

She sounds very traditionally family-oriented to me. What's the problem? About the only thing you need to make sure of now is if the dedushka is in fact her blood relative and not one of her suitor stuck in Russia on wife hunting and/or medical tourism...

Forgot to insert this: 

[Boethius]

sometimes I think about the one that got away and lament my stupidity.

I'd look at it more as, it wasn't meant to be. 

[Shadow]

so now we have a sick grandfather and she has no money to pay for the hospital bills after saying she can come to see me immediately through a special travel agency. 

too funny!

is it so hard to ask for a genuine sexy educated slavic girl who can cook, read the financial times, hold a good conversation, have a sense of humor and play 4.0 tennis? 

You would think that if the grandfather dies that solves the problem, however you forget about babushka who then will have to travel with her.

[Fishingguy]

funeral costs, travel costs, no pension. the drama could have many sequals! 

she has sent me probably 60 pictures so when I asked if she has a picture of her at work as a nurse..sadly no. Little bells ring.

I just look at it as a fun adventure. 

[mendeleyev]

Regarding hospital bills: they do have them, but for different reasons that you might think.

Russians have a constitutional right to health care, one of the great sticking points as the Duma, Federation Council (Senate) and the Putin administration have agreed to convert to a system more like the one the USA is tossing aside. 2025 is the date that transition should be completed, at least that is the latest government forecast but given budget realities it looks to happen sooner, perhaps much sooner, than then.

Even so, every Russian has a health plan. It is a single payer system, although there really is no such animal in reality, in that when you work there is a payroll deduction for the national health plan. So, you pay some for you and some more for those who don't work. That money goes to Uncle Moscow who then provides your "free" health care.

You have coverage all over the country but are tied to your home city or Oblast. Translation: if you break an arm in Kaluga but live in Orem, the good folks of Kaluga will patch you up just enough to get you back home to Orem where you can get further care in your home region.

At home, when sick you visit an assigned polyclinic. Those doctors are the gatekeepers whose job is to save the system as much money as possible by leaving you out in a waiting area as long as possible and then finding excuses not to refer you to a specialist. The way to get around that is to call an ambulance and have them take you directly to a hospital. There you will wait for hours upon hours and if documents are not in order they may send you home without care anyway.

You will pay for many things in the "free" system. Most supplies and medicines are going to be charged, sometimes even if supposedly covered whether the reason is greed or in some instances the hospital is simply underfunded and to keep the doors open you'll pay anyway. Nursing is limited and so family members often assist with the care, feeding and dispensing of medicines to their relatives.

Usually a couple of meals daily are provided in the hospital. Hope you like oatmeal, soup, bread and hot tea. If you have special dietary needs, be sure to try the oatmeal, soup, bread and hot tea.

There are basically two kinds of private systems that provide additional care. First are the private medical firms. These are often staffed by the same folk who are employed at the government clinics who essentially work two jobs, however a little switch goes on and they suddenly discover feelings of empathy, concern, and caring customer service for their patients. You pay out of pocket, up front, but
the x-ray machine works, the water fountains work, the bathrooms in the waiting areas work, and well, you understand.

There is a Western system as well. In large cities of Russia and Ukraine on can find an American Hospital and/or clinics, British Hospital, the German Medical Centres, and even the French have entered the budding private medical market. Some of these offer reciprocal agreements so that you can travel across Eastern Europe and be covered. Expats and wealthy Russians use the Western services. They're much like a health club in that you pay a monthly fee for access and then pay for care exceeding the allowed amount per visit.

According to the city of Moscow, 60% of the hospitals in Moscow today are privately owned. That should tell you something about the state of the national health care system.  Russians are growing older and costs are going nowhere but up.

As in so many countries, health costs represent a growing crisis for the government. The Ministry of Health stipulates that the minimum a doctor can earn is 33,000 rubles but in realty the average salary for a rural doctor is closer to 15,000 rubles, about $465 per month. The good doctors are moving out of the country and last year the Russian Ministry of Health said that there was a shortage of 152,000 medical specialists across the country due to professionals leaving the industry.

A recent study found that 65 percent of all Russians paid for medical treatment and 20 percent paid their doctors “informally”. The city of Moscow, in asking for additional funding from the Ministry of Health claims that only 50 percent of the required medications for patients at public institutions are available to hospital staffs at any given time.

That is a long winded way to agree that if her дед is sick, she likely does need money for his care but not necessarily for the reasons you may think.


Our pals Sergei and Sergei are excited to give you a three video tour of the public hospital in Ufa. This is one of the nicer hospitals I've seen outside Moscow:

[JohnDearGreen]

my bait is good. I keep on getting carp. 
one day I'll finally take home the keeper.

Gee, did you strike out again FG?  How can a guy like you ever lose?  What could of went wrong?
Maybe she read your other post [Going for home run - seeking millionaire heiress]
and turned against you.

Not to worry.  We're confident you can knock another one over the short fence and score again.
Just lay off those sharp curves and wait for a fat one down the middle.

 

[Fishingguy]

Mendeleyev, thanks for the excellent primer on Russian healthcare.

Regarding hospital bills: they do have them, but for different reasons that you might think.

Russians have a constitutional right to health care, one of the great sticking points as the Duma, Federation Council (Senate) and the Putin administration have agreed to convert to a system more like the one the USA is tossing aside. 2025 is the date that transition should be completed, at least that is the latest government forecast but given budget realities it looks to happen sooner, perhaps much sooner, than then.

Even so, every Russian has a health plan. It is a single payer system, although there really is no such animal in reality, in that when you work there is a payroll deduction for the national health plan. So, you pay some for you and some more for those who don't work. That money goes to Uncle Moscow who then provides your "free" health care.

You have coverage all over the country but are tied to your home city or Oblast. Translation: if you break an arm in Kaluga but live in Orem, the good folks of Kaluga will patch you up just enough to get you back home to Orem where you can get further care in your home region.

At home, when sick you visit an assigned polyclinic. Those doctors are the gatekeepers whose job is to save the system as much money as possible by leaving you out in a waiting area as long as possible and then finding excuses not to refer you to a specialist. The way to get around that is to call an ambulance and have them take you directly to a hospital. There you will wait for hours upon hours and if documents are not in order they may send you home without care anyway.

You will pay for many things in the "free" system. Most supplies and medicines are going to be charged, sometimes even if supposedly covered whether the reason is greed or in some instances the hospital is simply underfunded and to keep the doors open you'll pay anyway. Nursing is limited and so family members often assist with the care, feeding and dispensing of medicines to their relatives.

Usually a couple of meals daily are provided in the hospital. Hope you like oatmeal, soup, bread and hot tea. If you have special dietary needs, be sure to try the oatmeal, soup, bread and hot tea.

There are basically two kinds of private systems that provide additional care. First are the private medical firms. These are often staffed by the same folk who are employed at the government clinics who essentially work two jobs, however a little switch goes on and they suddenly discover feelings of empathy, concern, and caring customer service for their patients. You pay out of pocket, up front, but
the x-ray machine works, the water fountains work, the bathrooms in the waiting areas work, and well, you understand.

There is a Western system as well. In large cities of Russia and Ukraine on can find an American Hospital and/or clinics, British Hospital, the German Medical Centres, and even the French have entered the budding private medical market. Some of these offer reciprocal agreements so that you can travel across Eastern Europe and be covered. Expats and wealthy Russians use the Western services. They're much like a health club in that you pay a monthly fee for access and then pay for care exceeding the allowed amount per visit.

According to the city of Moscow, 60% of the hospitals in Moscow today are privately owned. That should tell you something about the state of the national health care system.  Russians are growing older and costs are going nowhere but up.

As in so many countries, health costs represent a growing crisis for the government. The Ministry of Health stipulates that the minimum a doctor can earn is 33,000 rubles but in realty the average salary for a rural doctor is closer to 15,000 rubles, about $465 per month. The good doctors are moving out of the country and last year the Russian Ministry of Health said that there was a shortage of 152,000 medical specialists across the country due to professionals leaving the industry.

A recent study found that 65 percent of all Russians paid for medical treatment and 20 percent paid their doctors “informally”. The city of Moscow, in asking for additional funding from the Ministry of Health claims that only 50 percent of the required medications for patients at public institutions are available to hospital staffs at any given time.

That is a long winded way to agree that if her дед is sick, she likely does need money for his care but not necessarily for the reasons you may think.


Our pals Sergei and Sergei are excited to give you a three video tour of the public hospital in Ufa. This is one of the nicer hospitals I've seen outside Moscow:

[calmissile]

Mendy,

Very interesting video about the hospital in Russia.  I have to say it looks a lot more modern and clean than the one I visited in Keiv with my wife and her son.

These guys are a kick!   

[Patagonie]

Thank you Mendy for those nice explanations.

[Shadow]

Just a side note: As my inlaws are both havinga medical profession, I can say that there are certainly within the state system doctors who are seeing their profession more as a calling than a way to create huge sums of money.
The informal system is the legacy of communist times where a doctor would not make more than a field worker, and as Mendy shows in his post, they still are paid considerably less than any doctor in the West.

[GQBlues]

...
At home, when sick you visit an assigned polyclinic. Those doctors are the gatekeepers whose job is to save the system as much money as possible by leaving you out in a waiting area as long as possible and then finding excuses not to refer you to a specialist. The way to get around that is to call an ambulance and have them take you directly to a hospital. There you will wait for hours upon hours and if documents are not in order they may send you home without care anyway....

This is exactly what happened to Mumski.

She recently had heart trouble and went through the motion as stated. 2 days of waiting resulted in being told they won't be able to schedule her to see a 'specialist' for another 3 weeks. In the meantime, they ask her a few questions, gave her some 'medicine' that didn't work, and sent her home and was told to wait for her appointment.

When wifey spoke with her that evening, she had the look of someone who'd been crying and Popski appeared shaken. They still held back from telling my wife what was *obviously* odd to her. Finally, upon sharing the story, wifey started crying, which, I found *odd*

Long story short I was pretty darn livid. Livid because of Mumski's situation, livid because they tried to withhold this information from us, livid because wifey was told not to share the information with me and suggested we not worry about it, and livid because they're so far away. It took me a while and a lot of convincing but finally told Popski to take Mumski to a private clinic/hospital as soon as possible and get her completely examined, checked and treated. No 'ifs', no 'buts' and no #!#%# excuses...money should never be a factor in these types of circumstances. It's downright ridiculous.

I know deep inside me, if something like this happens again, they'll resort to the same disposition. It's incredibly upsetting to say the least.

Mumski finally got examined, treated and prescribed proper medications and was instructed to follow procedural instructions, mainly nutrition...she was also told to come back for a couple of follow-up visitations to record her progress.

[Gator]

my bait is good. I keep on getting carp. 

one day I'll finally take home the keeper.

and I know deep down I should fish more domestic waters - easier path. But there's drama with women everywhere hahaha.

Coming from the impoverished South,   as young boys, my friends and I would catch them.  We referred to them jokingly as buglemouth bass.     

[Chicagoguy]

My sister in law is a Russian Dr. living in Kiev. Her husband commented that she made enough money to keep gas in the car  . She made the most money on house calls "off the books". At any rate, he for sure doesn't need it and she is now retired.
My wife goes back to Russia to see doctors and likes them but 3 years ago she was in the hospital for a few weeks and they almost killed her. She was neutropenic [open to any and all infections] plus temperature of 105 and they had her in a ward. Visualize pictures from 100 years ago with beds in a row. We made phone calls and got her a private room.

[steveboy]

Fishingguy

More often than not your catch is directly related to the bait you use and the waters you fish 

It seems to be the biggest problem for most guys who decide to go search a FSU women, they are using the wrong bait and trawling up the  Blonde bimbos. You can put it down lack of any idea about modern dating along with being utterly clueless about any of the women from the FSU makes you wonder why they couldn't find a women in their own country.