Sex school for women in Kyiv

[ML]

Sitting barefoot on the carpeted floor in a room with no furniture,  several women stare anxiously at the doorway.         

 They are waiting for their  mentor – a good-looking woman swathed in a  fitting romantic dress as a  visual shortcut to what’s about to unfold  steps in.
 
 President of the School of Love Science Perfection, Svitlana Pashkevych is about to teach them many things – from training vagina muscles to oral sex with the help of love dolls and dildos of different sizes.
 
 If that’s too much dirty talk for you in one sentence, you are old school, because “sex is not dirty or vulgar; it is spiritual,” says Pashkevych, a beautifully shaped women in her 40s who says she is 19 when asked her age.
 
 She started the school four years ago, converging her versatile knowledge in psychology, sexology and gestalt therapy under the roof of a comfortable three-story house on the outskirts of Kyiv. It is not just sex on everyone’s mind that needs to be explained.
 

Read entire story: http://www.kyivpost.com/news/guide/general/detail/119060/#ixzz1gfbrZYCG

[mies]

School of Sex. Gestalt therapy. 

if only some people took an effort to learn the meaning of the words they are using... oh i wish..

oh, wait!! There is more!:

Pashkevich Svetlana
Master-instructor of international grade/level (aka interdevochka) of higher courses for women on WCM-building (vaginally controlled muscles. hm. I wonder what are the muscles controlled by vagina), psychologists, para-psychologist, psychotherapist, obstetrician of spirituality.
 

and more... it just keeps coming:
under professional skills she lists: natural breast-feeding.  and "communication in energy-information stream" 

"Пашкевич Светлана (Киев) мастер-преподаватель международного класса высших женских курсов Вум-билдинга, психолог, парапсихолог, психотерапевт, духовный акушер. Владеет техниками: холодинамика, ДПДГ, эриксоновский гипноз, танец голоса, естественное грудное вскармливание, парапсихология и энергетика, взаимодействие в энергоинформационном потоке, Вум-билдинг.
Вум-билдинг (вумбилдинг) – высшие женские курсы, сексуальная гармонизация, мастерство управления интимной мускулатурой, анатомия страсти, совершенство сексуальности, путь к женскому здоровью, материнство, талант жрицы любви и мудрой жены, наслаждению и совершенству! (Вагинально Управляемые Мышцы, building - англ., "строить, создавать")
Обучение в школе: Здесь Вы занимаетесь по индивидуальной программе, разработанной непосредственно для Вас, в зависимости от Ваших целей и задач, а также результатов тестирования и анкетирования, которое Вы обязательно проходите, приступая к занятиям по ВУМ билдингу. С вами работают профессиональные мастера. === 063-879-05-82 Яна, 093-522-78-16 Анна" (http://tavale.com.ua/katalog-psy.htm#_Toc287981763)


and the official web site with photo of beautiful Svetlana: http://www.loveperfectionschool.com/master/60
she is actually stunningly beautiful woman.

Thank you, ML. I had a good laugh. Now time for bed.

[Hammer2722]

I vaguely remember seeing a progam on tv here in the states about a lady living in Moscow having the same sort of business but hers was geared toward teaching Russian women how to attract and marry a rich Russian man.

[Gator]

I vaguely remember seeing a progam on tv here in the states about a lady living in Moscow having the same sort of business but hers was geared toward teaching Russian women how to attract and marry a rich Russian man.

Sounds like the Kiev course would be a prerequisite.   
 
Does the Kiev school actually charge tuition?
 
Who would attend?  Wait - I have a candidate.  One of my woman's friends is in her early 40s and attractive, yet has never had sex.  Never.  True.
 
Mies, thank you for the translation of absurd claims.   If "natural breast-feeding" is one of her professional skills, does that mean she gets paid for it?
 
Yes, a good laugh.

[mies]

Does the Kiev school actually charge tuition?

she does. The Kyiv post article says there is a steep price schedule for different classes. The 4-day course of vaginal-muscles building costs 5'000 UAH (approximately 625$)
Of what I remember, much longer time and regular practice are needed to build those muscles, just like any muscles in our body. But nevermind.
She also calls all women "goddesses" - her female clients, her daughters, etc
and offers courses on "how to become a priestess of love" - mind it that in RUssian language this specific word combination means: a prostitute. I have not checked what tuition she charges for the course on how to become a prostitute.

She also offers a course: pregnancy with nephritis. (http://www.loveperfectionschool.com/programs/895)
when I read the course title for the first time I struggled with dissonance. I could not figure out what a course like that is doing in the school of sex. On the other hand, given the high incidence of urinary tract infections among "priestesses of love" - pregnancy with nephritis kind of makes sense. Then it finally came to me that in russian language "nephritis" and "nephrite" are spelled the same way. Apparently she meant the stone, hence the phrases like "embrace and enjoy this wonderful condition"
We already have in russian language canned phrases like "delight of dementia," "happiness of retardation" and "a gift of pediculosis". I think i'll be adding "a joy of nephritis" to the same collection.

Also makes me wonder: who gave her starting capital, what did she do before she turned 40, how old her daughters are, and other stuff like that.

[Gator]

she does. The Kyiv post article says there is a steep price schedule for different classes. The 4-day course of vaginal-muscles building costs 5'000 UAH (approximately 625$)
Of what I remember, much longer time and regular practice are needed to build those muscles, just like any muscles in our body. But nevermind.
She also calls all women "goddesses" - her female clients, her daughters, etc
and offers courses on "how to become a priestess of love" - mind it that in RUssian language this specific word combination means: a prostitute. I have not checked what tuition she charges for the course on how to become a prostitute.

She also offers a course: pregnancy with nephritis. (http://www.loveperfectionschool.com/programs/895)
when I read the course title for the first time I struggled with dissonance. I could not figure out what a course like that is doing in the school of sex. On the other hand, given the high incidence of urinary tract infections among "priestesses of love" - pregnancy with nephritis kind of makes sense. Then it finally came to me that in russian language "nephritis" and "nephrite" are spelled the same way. Apparently she meant the stone, hence the phrases like "embrace and enjoy this wonderful condition"
We already have in russian language canned phrases like "delight of dementia," "happiness of retardation" and "a gift of pediculosis". I think i'll be adding "a joy of nephritis" to the same collection.

Also makes me wonder: who gave her starting capital, what did she do before she turned 40, how old her daughters are, and other stuff like that.

Mies, you should go undercover and investigate this operation.  Inquiring minds want to know.    You could write an interesting and amusing story and sell it as an idependent journalist.

[mies]

Mies, you should go undercover and investigate this operation.  Inquiring minds want to know.    You could write an interesting and amusing story and sell it as an idependent journalist.

Thank you, Gator  next time i'll be in Kiev i'll check this option 

[JR]

and the official web site with photo of beautiful Svetlana: http://www.loveperfectionschool.com/master/60
she is actually stunningly beautiful woman.

I'm sorry, I just don't see it.

[JohnDearGreen]

I'm sorry, I just don't see it.

Maybe he was looking at the Lviv or Odessa remote branches.
http://www.loveperfectionschool.com/master/55
http://www.loveperfectionschool.com/master/65

[ghost of moon goddess]

 WCM-building (vaginally controlled muscles

I can only hope that the one who translated this text will  never be hired for interpreting a first date communication 

Men bashing quote:
"In yesterday's post, I asked how many of you guys would have sex with a graduate from robot if it was indistinguishable from a hot human woman. About 95% of the hetero guys said they would. The other 5% expressed a strong preference for lying."   

On the mark?

[mies]

Did you dislike my translation?

если да - то правила хорошего тона требуют чтобы Вы предложили свой, более правильный (по Вашему мнению) вариант перевода. Иначе критика заносится в категорию "да что там Рубенс, я и сам/а музыку писать умею намного лучше."

[ghost of moon goddess]

Did you dislike my translation?

если да - то правила хорошего тона требуют чтобы Вы предложили свой, более правильный (по Вашему мнению) вариант перевода. Иначе критика заносится в категорию "да что там Рубенс, я и сам/а музыку писать умею намного лучше."

Mies, you got me wrong! Your translation is perfect!

My only concern is that  some of your interpretations (opinions) about the school, teachers and attendees are prejudged and misleading, IMO.

Keep the Ukrainian flag flying! 

[mies]

Mies, you got me wrong! Your translation is perfect!

My only concern is that  some of your interpretations (opinions) about the school, teachers and attendees are prejudged and misleading, IMO.

Keep the Ukrainian flag flying! 

First of all, please give examples of how my opinions are misleading. Since now we figured out that my translation was correct.

Secondly, you rightfully mentioned that these are my opinions. I am open to discussion of the topic, but I do not see what problem or concern do you have with me expressing my opinion on the situation. Do you have concern with people expressing their opinions in general?

Thirdly, I do not understand your comment about "I hope will never be hired..."
Do you mean that the person who is to be hired as a first-date interpreter should be
a) changing the content of the ukrainian/russian text and not providing correct translation
b) if the person speaking in either language, is dumb and says very stupid things - interpreter should cover this flaw using own ideas, knowledge, and words?
When some interpreters are doing (a) and (b) - this is exactly why so many couples find out they do not know each other once they part with the interpreter because all the "content" of their conversations was generated and "processed" by the interpreter.

And 4) do you think that interpreters in their private life outside of work never express their opinion on any topic? How many real interpreters do you know?

The whole point of my little investigation was to show that the russian text was odd because people who wrote it are... how shall I put it.. not very fluent in their own language and not very well-read? I am always having an issue with people being offensively ignorant while performing their professional tasks. I do not know if in the case of "school of sex" the founder is dumb and not just dumb but dumb and arrogant to the point that she cannot pay few Hryvnas to professional proofreader or a PR person, or that her clientele are dumb, and she has to give her selling pitch in the language understandable to them.

I could also go on farther into the discussion of how people without medical education can actually cause a lot of harm while luring naive and gullible pregnant women, organizing some sort of "pregnancy with magic stones" shenanigans, and give pregnant women bad advices which ultimately lead to disability or death for a newborn and to serious health complications to a pregnant woman. In Ukraine and Russia this is a problem because in our countries patients rarely can take it to court and win the case (unlike in USA). All the cases in Russia against real doctors (not charlatans) where patients actually did win were highly politicized and doctors were not guilty at all, they were used as scapegoats to cover up or facilitate the maneuvers of local politicians. Whereas multiple charlatans are causing so much harm through their illegal or semi-legal activity, earn their living on playing chances with life and death of their clients, and are never prosecuted or never pay damages to their victims. I did not and will not go into such discussions because I do not know whether any of employees of "school of sex" have medical degree. I could not find any information of this sort mentioned on their web site, and I could not find any information on education of either of her employees. On the other hand, I do not know any person with a medical degree or any real university degree who would tolerate such stupid description of their employer and their functions. Hence I do have my little suspicions. So as you see - I am not "prejudged" contrary to your assertions. Also, I did quick google search. So unless you have first-hand experience with this school, or researched them yourself, probably I know a little more about this "school" than you do. 

***

A somewhat related question to WM:
in a situation where you are on a trip to Ukraine/Russia (or any other country), have a local interpreter, and a Ukrainian/Russian person you are meeting (either man or woman, romantic or business). Let us say that the interpreter starts having doubts in credibility of the person you are meeting, some facts did not align well, or some claims are odd, or maybe offensive, or the interpreter has serious reasons to believe that the U/R person is a scammer or has some indecent agenda, or maybe isn't a scammer but is clearly planning to use WM as a source of income without providing anything in return, or providing less in return than they promise they would.
So, in situations like this, would you, a WM, prefer interpreter:
(a) make this R/U person look better by polishing their sayings while translating, and generally sugar-coating unpleasant truth in order to help the two of you (WM and R/U person) conclude some agreement (basically, what ghost of moon goddess suggests that a good interpreter should be doing)
(b) translate accurately the content of whatever R/U said, not trying to "think for them" and don't tell you what R/U person might have wanted to say.
(c) translate accurately the content and explain what the things they said mean in local culture (as in the case with "priestess of love" for example).
(d) if interpreter is concerned with credibility of this person, or suspects this person is a scammer, and the facts are solid but of such nature that they only be evident for a local person but not a foreigner, interpreter will share with you their concerns in a diplomatic manner, and try to be as objective as possible, unemotional, and provide clear facts and examples why they think the R/U person may have hidden agenda.

Taking an example with the "priestess of love": UW tells "and when I move to USA I hope to become a priestess of love"
interpreter (a) will translate it as: "she says that when she marries you she will want to be your priestess of love."
interpreter (b) will translate it as: "she hopes that after she will move to USA she will be a priestess of love"
interpreter (c) will translate it as: "she hopes that after she will move to USA she will be a priestess of love. She may be using it in a different meaning, but in Russian language a priestess of love is the term for a prostitute."
interpreter (d) will translate it as: "she hopes that after she will move to USA she will be a priestess of love. She may be using it in a different meaning, but in Russian language a priestess of love is the term for a prostitute. She also revealed to me earlier that she worked at XX as a tango-dancer, but XX does not have any activities where tango-dancers are involved. They do have strip dancers, it's a famous strip club in Kiev."

So, which option, (a), (b), (c), or (d) would you prefer your interpreter to be?

[JR]

I can only hope that the one who translated this text will  never be hired for interpreting a first date communication 

Men bashing quote:
"In yesterday's post, I asked how many of you guys would have sex with a graduate from robot if it was indistinguishable from a hot human woman. About 95% of the hetero guys said they would. The other 5% expressed a strong preference for lying."   

On the mark?

I doesn't have to be really good robot to get a man's "attention"

[ghost of moon goddess]

Dear Mies, you get  far too emotionally involved. Sorry. I have only myself to blame. 

First of all, please give examples of how my opinions are misleading. Since now we figured out that my translation was correct.

What made me feel sad after having read your previous posts is that,
without having sufficiently examined them,  you prejudged the following:

Pashkevich Svetlana
Master-instructor of international grade/level (aka interdevochka)

Interdevochka!? 
Is this your assumption or you can marshal your position with facts???

... I have not checked what tuition she charges for the course on how to become a prostitute.

Also makes me wonder: who gave her starting capital, what did she do before she turned 40, how old her daughters are, and other stuff like that.

I, for one, have observed some offensive hint in your questions.
Or no offense meant???

Secondly, you rightfully mentioned that these are my opinions. I am open to discussion of the topic, but I do not see what problem or concern do you have with me expressing my opinion on the situation. Do you have concern with people expressing their opinions in general?

You have the right to have your personal opinion and to defend it!
And I have the right not to share your opinion and to defend my position.

Thirdly, I do not understand your comment about "I hope will never be hired..."
Do you mean that the person who is to be hired as a first-date interpreter should be
a) changing the content of the ukrainian/russian text and not providing correct translation
b) if the person speaking in either language, is dumb and says very stupid things - interpreter should cover this flaw using own ideas, knowledge, and words?
When some interpreters are doing (a) and (b) - this is exactly why so many couples find out they do not know each other once they part with the interpreter because all the "content" of their conversations was generated and "processed" by the interpreter.

And 4) do you think that interpreters in their private life outside of work never express their opinion on any topic? How many real interpreters do you know?
 

Don't take the phrase "I hope will never be hired..." literally, it is written tongue-in-cheek. It is there to whet bloggers'  appetite for debates.

IMHO, interpreter's function is to convert  thoughts spoken in a source language into thoughts having  a comparable meaning in a target language.
Omitting, alteration, not to mention, rude approximation can damage the image of people communicating on a first date.
I don't hire interpreters, all my business partners speak English

The whole point of my little investigation was to show that the russian text was odd because people who wrote it are... how shall I put it.. not very fluent in their own language and not very well-read? I am always having an issue with people being offensively ignorant while performing their professional tasks. I do not know if in the case of "school of sex" the founder is dumb and not just dumb but dumb and arrogant to the point that she cannot pay few Hryvnas to professional proofreader or a PR person, or that her clientele are dumb, and she has to give her selling pitch in the language understandable to them.

I understand you

I could also go on farther into the discussion of how people without medical education can actually cause a lot of harm while luring naive and gullible pregnant women, organizing some sort of "pregnancy with magic stones" shenanigans, and give pregnant women bad advices which ultimately lead to disability or death for a newborn and to serious health complications to a pregnant woman. In Ukraine and Russia this is a problem because in our countries patients rarely can take it to court and win the case (unlike in USA). All the cases in Russia against real doctors (not charlatans) where patients actually did win were highly politicized and doctors were not guilty at all, they were used as scapegoats to cover up or facilitate the maneuvers of local politicians. Whereas multiple charlatans are causing so much harm through their illegal or semi-legal activity, earn their living on playing chances with life and death of their clients, and are never prosecuted or never pay damages to their victims. I did not and will not go into such discussions because I do not know whether any of employees of "school of sex" have medical degree. I could not find any information of this sort mentioned on their web site, and I could not find any information on education of either of her employees. On the other hand, I do not know any person with a medical degree or any real university degree who would tolerate such stupid description of their employer and their functions. Hence I do have my little suspicions. So as you see - I am not "prejudged" contrary to your assertions.   

Now you know which of your lines I "rated"  prejudged

So unless you have first-hand experience with this school, or researched them yourself, probably I know a little more about this "school" than you do. 

Definitely, you have more info on this school.
Now I' am considering to attend it Hey, JR, would you mind letting me attend that school? 

Mies,  you keep the Ukrainian flag high! Thank you!!!! 

[ML]

So, which option, (a), (b), (c), or (d) would you prefer your interpreter to be?

Mies, you will be my interpreter . . . and I want option (d).

[JR]

Of course you can Goddess, I highly reccommend them in my absence...after all I taught them everything they know

[mies]

Dear Ghost of Moon Goddess:
1) you still have not provided any examples of me doing things you claim or "elegantly imply" I am doing (poor translation, being prejudged, "omitting, alteration, not to mention, rude approximation" etc). Please do so.
2) i dislike passive-aggressive style of communication, it makes me feel annoyed. Either prove your words or stop making remarks about me.
3) I do not befriend people based on shared nationality and I do not remember forming any sort of "ukrainian sisterhood" with you. I surely do not need any appeals from you to keep any kind of flags at any height. Flags are heavy, I've done my share of pioneer marching with flags.
4) interdevochka was a tongue-in-a-cheek hence the crossed format
5) by "rude approximation" - did you mean "rude approximation" or "rough approximation?" If the former - please provide examples of what exactly i approximate in a rude way. If the latter, also be so kind to provide examples.
Thank you.

[mies]

Mies, you will be my interpreter . . . and I want option (d).

thank you ML

[Anotherkiwi]

Quick, guys...pillow fight!!!!

[ghost of moon goddess]

Dear Ghost of Moon Goddess:
1) you still have not provided any examples of me doing things you claim or "elegantly imply" I am doing (poor translation, being prejudged, "omitting, alteration, not to mention, rude approximation" etc). Please do so.

1) Mies, one of your troubles, is that you take everything as referring to yourself !!!
I did not mean that YOU!!! had omitted, altered anything or made a rude approximation of the original text. IMO your translation work is of very good standard and I mentioned it previously. Didn't I?
Prejudgment: please find the answer in my previous post.

2) i dislike passive-aggressive style of communication, it makes me feel annoyed. Either prove your words or stop making remarks about me.

Mies, you seem to be only listen to what you want to hear, or we just speak different "languages".
I do not understand what you mean 

3) I do not befriend people based on shared nationality and I do not remember forming any sort of "ukrainian sisterhood" with you. I surely do not need any appeals from you to keep any kind of flags at any height. Flags are heavy, I've done my share of pioneer marching with flags.

FUI: The phrase «to keep the flag flying» means  speaking (or acting) FOR the country which a flag represents.

5) by "rude approximation" - did you mean "rude approximation" or "rough approximation?" If the former - please provide examples of what exactly i approximate in a rude way. If the latter, also be so kind to provide examples.

Yes, I meant RUDE approximation!
FUI: Interpretation/translation lacking sophistication, or made simply or roughly is RUDE approximation of the original text!
Please don't confuse it with another meaning of the word "rude" (offensive or not polite). Feel free to check it out
Example: this replica pretends to be only a rude approximation of the original.

4) interdevochka was a tongue-in-a-cheek hence the crossed format

Mies
Interpreter/(aka dilettante)
P.S.
Please don't get me wrong  aka dilettante is written tongue in cheek

How do you feel about it???

Bottom line:
If you are going to be a professional interpreter do not underestimate the English language vocabulary size.
If you work on the assumption that there's no limit to perfection, life will get better and better for you

Good luck!!!

Quick, guys...pillow fight!!!!

I surrender. Without reservations 

[mies]

that's ok Darling. Don't try so hard
 

passive aggressive it is. bye.

[Gator]

Ladies, please!

[JR]

I heard the school got a new property so I went phishing and found a photo of it ))) It seems to be rather "theme" oriented