Kevin Hayes - Khersongirls

[KyivTrip]

Hi Everybody,

I just love self promotion.  Especially the "honest" part.  Even an incompetent business can have satisfied customers and I'm sure Kevin has a few - I've even read a few posts about customers happy with his services myself - mostly posted by HIM.

My test of a business is how they handle a complaint.  I used KG last June or so and took the matchmaking package on Kevin's advice.  I had some legitimate complaints, which I won't detail here because it became an issue on a couple of lists last summer and got beat to death in denials.  I've moved on, used a half-dozen other agencies without problems, met a number of nice ladies and ....  hey ... life is GOOD!!!

I get this from Kevin:

PM From February 23, 2006

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David
 I'm collecting comment that you are making about my agency.  I've got quite a collection lately from my friends after I ask them to email you about my agency.


Kevin
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Today, March 13, 2006, I got a 3 page letter from a lawyer in Los Angeles threatening to sue me.  Apparently, Kevin has been about as honest with his lawyer about my complaints as he has been on these lists about my complaints and with my original complaint itself.

Kevin's lawyer spins a tale that sounds quite different from the truth, but the lawyer wasn't there and I was.  One thing the lawyer mentions is how many letters I wrote.  The ladies actually wrote more to me and I guess that is my fault as well.  I purchased "UNLIMITED LETTER SERVICE" for cryin' out loud.  So sue me because I took the terms as posted on the KG website, and confirmed by Kevin over the telephone, as true. 

Hopefully, Kevin has become better at handling complaints and will get on with his life rather than continue to harass former customers nearly a year after the issue was dead.

Kevin, rather than make more threats - because what I have said here is the truth - GET A LIFE !!!  Free advice from a former customer.

David

[KyivTrip]

I should add that I am sure that Kevin is as nice as the next guy - out sailing, watching a game,  whatever.  I have seen that he frequents this and many other lists and often agree with his comments.

But that is not the point is it ?  I had complaints about the service I did/ didn't receive at KG and, it is my opinion, that Kevin handled the situation badly.  Worse, though, is that he continues to fester over this.  Sure, I have made a couple of comments in response to other comments on different lists, but hey ... ?  Have your friends solicit comments on the sly ? ... threaten to sue ?  This was last June.  2005

Whoooa ...

David

 

 

[Jack]

David, well your a good example as to the old saying "you can't please everyone".
 
Good and honest agencies, no matter how hard they try, will never be able to please everyone. Since Kevin has been in business I think I can count the number of people I have heard who have complained about his agency on one hand. Not too bad, I would say less than 1% of all his clients have had anything negative to say about him or his business.
 
I have seen and done business with a LOT of agencies since 1995. If this industry had more agencies that operated like Kevin's their would be a lot fewer guys getting scammed. I do not think I have met a more honest agency owner than Kevin Hayes. 
 
And as far as Kevin getting a life, Kevin lives the life most of us could only dream about. 

[KyivTrip]

Hi Jack,

I agree.  You can't please everyone.  Even the best business can have a complaint - it is part of doing business.

My problem is that Kevin keeps dredging this crap up.  I have  voiced my opinion a couple of times here and there, and I stand behind  everything I say. 

Having your friends query someone on the sly, hoping to get ammunition  for a lawsuit ... or something ... goes a bit far to me, though -  especially for an issue that is nearly a year in the past.

If anyone asks I will tell them about my bad experience with KG and I  shouldn't be threatened for doing so.  There are better ways to  spend your time, I think.  Maybe I'm wrong - maybe trying to  entrap former customers into a lawsuit is the best way to spend your  time.

David

[BC]

Kyiv..

You said it yourself.. "If anyone asks.."

Nobody did... and so Kevin has every right to do what he feels he has to do.

There is a difference between critique and revenge.

period.

[KyivTrip]

Hi BC,

Kevin's PM to me (on this list, by the way) clearly stated that he had friends of his e-mail me and ASK about his agency.  What do you mean nobody asked?
The letter from the lawyer also stated this.

So ... it is certainly not revenge, just responding to people who asked.

I gave honest opinions to any inquiries, but to put your friends up to asking ... ?

David

[Bruce]

Now that you had your negative experience with Kevin's agency:

A.  Would you return to Kherson, Ukraine?

B.  Would you consider using another agency in Ukraine or Russia?

[KyivTrip]

Hi Bruce,

Hope all is well with you.  What happened was, I had to reorganize  my whole trip which was originally planned around Kherson.  I was  cut off from all of the ladies (3-6) I was planning on seeing  there.  But there are ladies everywhere, yes?  I lived in  Europe for 9 years and have traveled extensively so  ...  I  decided to start from scratch.  The flights are into Kyiv, so I  decided I would start in Kyiv and visit one or maybe two locations near  enough that it made sense to visit - I had 26 nights. 

I also started thinking: "What if I meet the woman of my  dreams?".  I've learned that, even after you meet your woman you  may have to make several trips.  With that in mind, I crossed  Kherson off my list because I would lose a day travel each way from  Kyiv and back.  A good decision for me - there was plenty to do in  Kyiv for 4 weeks and I even went to Vinnitsa on the train ($2/ $4 first  class) - less than 4 hours.  I could take the train mid-morning  and get to Vinnitsa with time to settle in and still have a late  afternoon and dinner with a lady. 

So ... figuring 3 trips, minimum, I decided I must chose a location  easier to get to.  Imagine years of family visits, for example.

I have used half a dozen other agencies without problems of any kind:  including Kiev Connections and AFA.  I found a couple of others in  the Kyiv Post.  It is hard to make good use of your time without  using agencies to a degree.  The experience did leave me a little  leary of agencies so, now, I get contact info right away and try to  communicate directly by e-mail and phone.  The problem here is  that some very nice ladies cannot speak English and even fewer have  their own computers so they must go to an Internet cafe.

But, I have found that if you are patient, you can find lovely women  willing to communicate directly by e-mail and phone.  It is so  much more fun than through a translator - these women love to  flirt!!!  I hope this helps.

David

[Kevin]

David.
For the past 9 months I have ask that if you posted against my agency  you did it truthfully and with the facts. A good example is this  posting that you created today just to attack my agency again. You  continue to tell it your way without mentioning the facts, threats or  free services that I provided you.  You never mention to anyone  that I fully refunded you even after providing you many of the services  you requested.  I've got copies of posting and emails you sent to  clients as current as last month from you.  Plus multiple site  postings.  I've asked you to stop in private emails. PM on the  boards and yet you continue today with another attack.  You took  away the only option we had left of ending this by refusing my  final request that I sent you though my attorney.  I never want to  take anyone to  court. but enough is enough.

For the record AGAIN at no time did you every pay for unlimited letters  though my agency. The only thing you paid for was the letters to the  ladies in the Kiev and Vinnista agents and the matchmaking service that  I fully refunded to you.  The 86 letters to the ladies in kherson  and all of the letters from the ladies from Kherson I paid for.   YOU NEVER PURCHASED THE UNLIMITED LETTER SERVICE PERIOD.. Because I  though you were someone who needed the extra help in finding a lady I  provided you many services for FREE.  A mistake that I will never  forgive myself for..   You taught me well.

I will show proof of this in court including your threatening letters,  false statements to my clients including this posting  today.   Plus a detail accounting of all of your  transactions.. This information is documented by the web site and is  available to my attorney. who has access to every letters you wrote to  myself, my staff and many of your list posting. 

If you wish, with your permission I will be glad to post your financial  records including payments and ladies letters counts on this board to  show the readers exactly what you paid for and didn't pay for.   You can also go to your paypal account and do the math yourself.   $300 sent to the office $258 refunded to you. Count the number of  ladies not in kherson that you sent letters to and their isn't anything  left over to paid for unlimited Kherson letters.   Again this  is an good example of posting false information.

It is sad when I have to seek legal services in order to protect the  integrity of my agency from people like you.   You don't seem  to be a bad person but you sure go out of your way some times to attack  others.

When I removed your from my agency I still didn't want your trip to  Ukraine to fail.  I even agree with another agency owner that I  had no problem with you meeting the ladies in Kiev and Vinnista that  you  wrote though my site during your visit to Ukraine that you mention in  this post. You thought you were being sneaky but I was aware of your  meetings and I even made it possible if you showed up in Kherson that  you could meet any lady in my agency. A email I sent to you verified  you had knowledge of this before you left for Ukraine. But even after  so many posting about your 6 ladies of true love you didn't even show  up in Kherson. It was just a song and dance for you on the  internet. I knew it was because you were sending letters to ladies in  other cites at the same time.  I just did not want you using my  web services anymore  when I removed you and yet you couldn't understand this as a right I  have as the agency owner.  Even on this posting you don't mention  that the agency in Kiev and Vinnista  you attacked on the internet  when you returned.  It is my understanding that you are no longer  welcome in their offices and that you would continue to post  comments  unless they refunded your money for service..  Heck  I refunded your 100 percent and took the lost after providing the  services for you and you still attack me.  Other agencies owner  would had just kicked you out without the full refund. You say its  about the ladies, but just about every email you sent me was about  money and request for free and discounted services.  If you lost  your copies ask the court for mine.
 
It times to tell your story to the judge and let him decide who is  really to blame and who is lying. You purposely seek out anyone who ask  about my agency on the boards and list and send them negative comment  about my agency.  Many clients/friends have sent me copies of what  you are saying in your emails. These are the friends I speak of.   You posted so often I didn't need anyone to ask for me.

A recent example is Seachange  he posted a question on  a  list last month about my agency before deciding if he wanted to use my  services  and you responded .  I was lucky he forward it too  me so I could clarify it with him.   Be ready to defend the  text of this letter and others.

Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 16:33:30 -0800 (PST)
> From: KyivTrip <kyivtrip@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: advice
> To: seachange    

or how about http://russianwomendiscussion.com/reply.php?topic_id=1206
 
For the readers on this list who know me understand that no matter how  hard I try. There is always a David out there that has his own story to  tell.    I am learning the hard way that sometimes you just  have to give up and settle things in court.
 
 
 
Kevin Hayes
 

[KyivTrip]

Hi Kevin,
You're always 100% right and I am always 100% wrong.  Blah, blah blah.  Even   when I posted your exact e-mails when defending myself from your attacks on me   on other lists you accused me of altering the e-mails.  Get real.
Here's a couple more:
          From:  "Kevin Hayes" <kevin@khersongirls.com>  [color="#0000ff"]Add to Address Book[/color][/url]  [color="#0000ff"]Add Mobile Alert   [/color][/url]    To:  "Dav Cer" <davcer2900@yahoo.com>    CC:  matchmaker@khersongirls.com    Subject:  31 day membership    Date:  Wed, 25 May 2005 02:46:49 -0400
   David

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I saw that you started your matchmaking service. Go ahead and start
adding
the ladies to your matchmaking list.. I have also given you 31 days of
free
letter writing to any lady in Kherson.

Be sure to email if you have any questions
about
any of the ladies.


Thanks
Kevin Hayes
(352) 266-8155 (I'm up late every night)
[url=http://www.khersongirls.com/][u][color="#0000ff"]http://www.khersongirls.com[/color][/u][/url]        

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From:"Kevin Hayes" <kevin@khersongirls.com>  To:"Dav Cer" <davcer2900@yahoo.com>Subject:Re: matchmakingDate:Mon, 23 May 2005 15:18:38 -0400David
After your first 30 days for free letters. You can pay either $7 per
letter
or $50 a month for unlimited letters. It is best to keep in touch with
the
ladies on your top 10 up to your arrival.


Thanks
Kevin Hayes
(352) 266-8155 (I'm up late every night)
[url=http://www.khersongirls.com/][u][color="#0000ff"]http://www.khersongirls.com[/color][/u][/url] 

You have such a selective memory - you offered unlimited free letter service
with the matchmaking package that I [b][u]purchased[/u][/b]. So ... it wasn't really "free",
but you made the offer to get my first $250 payment.  Yet you say I never had
unlimited letter service in your post above.  That is just not true.
Let me ask if this makes sense: if I was writing more letters than I had paid
for, who made the mistake of translating them and sending them to me and to
the ladies?  And, would it be my fault if it was a mistake by someone in your
office?  I certainly had no control over the flow of letters - they all went
through you.
 
It is your choice to sue me - maybe it will take a judge to get you off
your high horse.
 
David

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[Kevin]

David

 You stated that you purchased the unlimited letters service. Then you post two email showing that I gave it too you for FREE. 

A offer of FREE service is still FREE and not a service you paid for?    Once I gave you the free service we didn't expect you to misuse it. But like you posted I didn't stop it and allowed it to continue. But that not the issue is it? At no time did I tell you to stop writing the ladies so many letters. It was a lot of extra work for the office that I had to pay for but it wasn't the issue.  I ask that you stop writing the staff so many letters at one time though so they could help other clients with their questions.. But even that wasn't the problem.  Keep reading your old emails and you will see the pattern.

I highly recommend that you talk to cousel before you posting again.  As I will be printing these post.

Kevin

 

[KyivTrip]

Kevin,
It was part of the package IF I bought the matchmaking service. You are tied up
in symantics. You would not have "given" me the letter service if I hadn't bought the
package. Like a car dealer offering a "free" oil change. You have to buy the car, first.
You can't bring in a different car for a "free" oil change, can you? It is like so many of
your posts about me ... not quite the truth.
David

[Admin]

Guys - this is NOT the place to air your disagreement - particularly with the very real prospect of legal action.

Suggest you take it off-line NOW - and resolve it between yourselves - not in public.

While these types of threads are the internet equivalent of a NASCAR wreck and attract tons of attention, in the bigger scheme of things, they are unhealthy - to the participants (Kevin and David) and to the board.

- Dan