I should have joined this site sooner!

[newjason]

sorry Jason, but for the record, I met my wife on the internet    same as all the guys I helped meet their wives. Internet is not a bad thing but you have to use your head and have enough common sense whether you are on or off line.

And you should be the first one to know , that it is not and ideal way to meet people of the opposite sex.  There is always some unknown and some level of expectation.  The unknown is high and the expectation gets raised the longer the fantasy is allowed to simmer.
I will agree that out of all the methods that are implemented in the quest to meet a FSU woman, yours is the most locgial and sane and the most likely to produce success.   

BTW I came to this conclusion after watching mark?(the guy with the tours and the wife anna) do one of his webinar things.   I sat there with an open mind and made myself listen to the whole thing.  After wich time I felt the intense urge for a shower and even then I still did not feel clean.   But he pours the kool aid, and he's got his followers who think every word is the god given gift.  He gave me the heebeejeebee's   
BUt hey,  Everybody has their own views

[Misha]

When guys stop using the internet to try to meet women, that's  when things will start to become realistic. 
But we all know that will never happen.
So this kind of thing will always continue...

I met my wife on a Russian dating site; she is real enough, so yes I was realistic...

[newjason]

I met my wife on a Russian dating site; she is real enough, so yes I was realistic...

Misha,
I beleive you proceeded in a realitic way. Most people do not. You are a sucess and you are in a very small percentage of those who use the internet for that purpose.   
So, yes it can happen.
But so can winning the lottery.

[newjason]

BYW

DUBE,
you look very familiar.
Did you ever live in Washington state.
Did you ever own a Red Celica Supra?

If you did , PM  me 

[Eduard]

Dube,
You are an artist. And you in no way resemble frankeinstien or marty feldman.  You look just fine dude.   What do they say about artists?  If you aren't pretty,  be a musician or work in radio.   LOL.   Is that a portrait of the woman in your dreams?

Sorry if I was a little harsh before, but sometimes a good kick in the ass is what we need to see reality. I think if I cottled you and told you to keep living in a fantasy world, you would not respect that, especially since you could waste 5 or 10 more years before you realized what is what.

I am sure you had no problem getting women.  BUT we are older now and we still think we are 25 and can get a girl of our desires without much trouble.  Probelm is, the outer you doesn't look like the same dude anymore.   I will tell you what woke me up.   I joined Face book not long ago and within 2 days of signing up,  guess who sends me  a friend request?  No, not my mom,,  It was the very first Girl I dated back in JR High.  we were like  15 I think  16 maybe...  I loved that girl a lot, but she moved away and we wrote a little while and then moved  on.  So when she hit me up on FB, I was really curious how she was after all this time and of course I wondered if she was still that pretty girl
Well I saw her photo...
That was when Reality Hit me.

I don't know where you will find a woman, but I do know,  If you find one that you can see and feel and touch,  and who lives close to you,  you will be saving yourself a lot of frustration.
I can tell you are a sensitive guy, and that's cool. 
But that can work against you if you are looking for a woman in a far away land..


 read my Introduction Thread and you will see what I mean....

Hi I'm Jason
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=14463

and BTW welcome to the jungle 

Jason, are you telling me that now you will only date women your own age and marry one of them? And the fact that she already can't have kids and is prolly 80Lbs overweight won't bother you a lot?
The fact that your relationship with a Ukrainian girl failed doesn't mean that every one must fail in this venture. You failed to recognise all the red flags and ignored them till the last minute even when "your" girl was married to another man. The girl was playing you and you just kept sending the $$$.
Just FYI: I married my wife when I was 44 and she was 24. Still happily married raising 2 daughters. It is possible if you are sensible and can be a good judge of character. And off course the ability to communicate without the language barrier doesn't hurt... Dube is only 40yo. I think he looks fine and he is in great shape. He is also an artist. The pool of RW who would be genuinely attracted to him is huge. A lifetime won't be enough to go through all their profiles. Many RW in the 25 to 35 age range 6 to 8 in looks would be happy to get to know him. Here in the States his options are laughable compared to Russia. What do you wanna bet that if he works with me for just 3-4 months he will meet 5 or 6 women face to face who will be into him? The type of women that he couldn't even dream of meeting here in the US? And that he will really have great chemistry and hit it off with at least one of these women?


 

[Muzh]

Jason, are you telling me that now you will only date women your own age and marry one of them? And the fact that she already can't have kids and is prolly 80Lbs overweight won't bother you a lot?

Boy Ed, you are so full of it. This sounds like an unpaid advert.
 
If it would be ethical, I could post pictures of a number of women "my age" whom I know and are very well in shape ( ), single and looking for a nice guy. The reason they are still single is beacuse the amount of assholes out there ruins it for the rest of the good guys.
 
Why I didn't go for them? They were married at the time to, you guessed it, assholes.

[CDW]

Dube

Great art work you have   And good luck

[alex330]

No, but they should at least check ID / passport and make copy of it.

You do need to show identification for fund dispersal unless the sender specifies none is needed and provides a pass code.

[Spoon]

Dube, as an artist, the Russian girls are gonna love you! You can appreciate things at a level that most men cannot comprehend. (Artwise)

I realised this when I took my Wife to the Dior exhibition at the Pushkin Fine Art Museum, in Moscow - she was like the kid who had just discovered Christmas

I just looked around at all the other husbands/boyfriends being tugged from room to room and felt like saying 'C'mon guys - let's just go find the bar'   

[Vasilisa]

I have no idea if I was writing to a woman or a man. I was contacted through Match.com, she was the only one to contact me from all of the singles sites I have joined [14].

Match.com doesn't work in Russia or Ukraine. Regional IP ban.

[Vasilisa]

Speaking of blocking, do you think Western Union / Moneygram will be banned in Russia in the future???

I don't think so, because the number of decent people sending money to their relatives and friends is higher but you obviosly don't care about small things like a daughter or a son sending money to their  retired parents.
When I send money to Russia I am being contacted by a WU personthat asks me if I kno these people who I am sending money to in person.

[GQBlues]

... I like Eduard's site he has sound ideas about what to do, and I will more than likely use his service when I have enough saved.

Then allow me to suggest you get educated in this endeavor as much as you can before diving deeper into this. Honestly, if you have to 'save' for your first trip then be prepared for some rough times. Individual trips, cost-wise, are nothing compared to immigrating a full grown woman who will be as dependent upon you for EVERYTHING from basic needs to whatever will be required for the two of you to co-exist.

As for service providers, just like your initial experience in this - be careful. Ask people, heck ask me. I will tell you what may, or may no longer be available to enable you to check historical credentials on these people.

Clue: be leery of fat people who compalin about other fat people for being, well, fat. If that's their selling points, I suggest using other SP. Otherwise that's akin to a robber telling you you can't trust a thief but you can trust him.     That's the good ol' fashioned used car salesman pitch.

Lastly, if there's any reason why you feel you can't pursue a local woman with equal appearance as the ones you believe you can elsewhere, understand it isn't the women. Women are women anywhere. They possess the same instinctual motivation and basic needs.

Otherwise, good luck.

[Vasilisa]

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Clue: be leery of fat people who compalin about other fat people for being, well, fat. .

I agree.

[Gator]

Dube,
 
If you must save money just to take a trip, you need to analyze in detail the costs of  a RW wife.  My guess is that immigration and adjustment will cost a minimum of $10,000.  And if you select dyevushkas such as Olga, you will need $30-40,000.  There are some threads in the archives that discuss these costs.
 
Having said that, once you do find a good RW and she becomes assimilated, she will cost less per year than an AW wife.  So it is possible.  Just think it through before jumping into the deep end of the pool.
 
Some will question the need to use Eduard as a guide.  I have met Eduard socially and I believe he is a valuable asset for men who need assistance.   And any man who could be duped by Olga's scam needs assistance.  No offence intended.
 

[Dube]

 Thanks. My art is my life now. The colour drawing was the woman who scammed me. The sketch's are my ex. I have some more on my face book page Chad Dube @ facebook. I welcome you to look, and I will post more there latter. I will post one more here because there is interest.

[calmissile]

Your are truly talented and I think with patience you will find what you are seeking.  I would not worry about the forum opinions,  I would continue for you to seek what you desire.

[newjason]

Jason, are you telling me that now you will only date women your own age and marry one of them? And the fact that she already can't have kids and is prolly 80Lbs overweight won't bother you a lot?

Ed?
Where did I ever say anything like that?

The fact that your relationship with a Ukrainian girl failed doesn't mean that every one must fail in this venture. You failed to recognise all the red flags and ignored them till the last minute even when "your" girl was married to another man. The girl was playing you and you just kept sending the $$$.

Yes, true, and she is a psychopath.  But I gave her the benefit of the doubt.   Yet another reason how this whole thing can be something that is not what it seems and  is much harder than one could imagine.

Just FYI: I married my wife when I was 44 and she was 24. Still happily married raising 2 daughters. It is possible if you are sensible and can be a good judge of character. And off course the ability to communicate without the language barrier doesn't hurt... Dube is only 40yo. I think he looks fine and he is in great shape. He is also an artist. The pool of RW who would be genuinely attracted to him is huge. A lifetime won't be enough to go through all their profiles. Many RW in the 25 to 35 age range 6 to 8 in looks would be happy to get to know him. Here in the States his options are laughable compared to Russia. What do you wanna bet that if he works with me for just 3-4 months he will meet 5 or 6 women face to face who will be into him? The type of women that he couldn't even dream of meeting here in the US? And that he will really have great chemistry and hit it off with at least one of these women?

did he not just say  that he can't afford to renew his match membership cause he has no money left?  How do you make the jump  from him being scammed,  to him working with you.
He did say, they were only pen pals.
But , obviously that was not the whole truth.
So,  I think you guys should go there asap.



have  fun

[missAmeno]

Having said that, once you do find a good RW and she becomes assimilated, she will cost less per year than an AW wife. 

Just curious  in what way?

[Misha]

Yes, true, and she is a psychopath.  But I gave her the benefit of the doubt.

Why? Though, I believe I know the answer. Too often men rationalize bad behavior and get themselves in too deep.

[Gator]

Just curious  in what way?

In every way except shoes and automobile insurance.   
 
 My opinion is based on comparing my ex-wife (AW) and AW girlfriends with:
 
 1) my ex-wife (Moscow),
 
2) my lady friend during her several month-long visits here,
 
3) her daughter who has been with me for almost 1.5 years, and
 
4) just observing RW and UW and how they live when I dated them. 

 I am not saying RW are misers or even sparing, yet they seem to have a restrained attitude  ingrained from living on a reduced budget out of necessity.  Just my opinion.   Other FSUW may be different.  And I imagine there are some FSUW who marry a Western man and expect to spend as if they had just won the lottery.
 
I have had to explain at times that just because something costs more does not automatically make it higher quality or even higher value.
 
What does your husband say?

[missAmeno]

In every way except shoes and automobile insurance.   
 
 My opinion is based on comparing my ex-wife (AW) and AW girlfriends with:
 
 1) my ex-wife (Moscow),
 
2) my lady friend during her several month-long visits here,
 
3) her daughter who has been with me for almost 1.5 years, and
 
4) just observing RW and UW and how they live when I dated them. 

 I am not saying RW are misers or even sparing, yet they seem to have a restrained attitude  ingrained from living on a reduced budget out of necessity.  Just my opinion.   Other FSUW may be different.  And I imagine there are some FSUW who marry a Western man and expect to spend as if they had just won the lottery.
 
I have had to explain at times that just because something costs more does not automatically make it higher quality or even higher value.
 
What does your husband say?

I asked only because that phrase stood out to me. I dont think in the end looking at the weekly/monthly/yearly expenses I spend less then british girls even though my partner use to say "You wont be always able to get everything for nothing" in the sense that on many occasions I got frustrated from not being able to find what I want at the price I am convinced its worth.

[Gator]

It seems that we can agree then that FSUW wives do not cost more after they become assimilated.   Thus a man on a smaller budget should not believe that the extra costs encountered for immigration and adjustment will continue. 
 
There is always the question of gainful employment, and if a man needs for his wife to work, the probability of success declines.

[Kokopelli]

Hi Chad. I'm John. I'll add you on facebook. OK?
Do you have any Russian friends on facebook?
OK, just for the halibut, go to this site and pick out 10-15 women you would be interested in.
http://freepersonals.ru/
List their profile numbers here.
I joined about two days. My profile would be considered to some as a "death wish". 

Since you love art, here are my favorite Russian artists; after Repin of course.
http://www.bnr-art.com/garmash/