Using Vk.com to approach FSUW

[Newman]

I'm wondering if this is a good idea, and if anyone has any experience doing it?

With VK unlike facebook you can search for people by sex, age, city, birthdate and relationship status. I have verified people from dating websites this way. I get the ladies first name, birthdate and city, from the website and then enter those details into vk.com and voila... you can actually circumvent the websites like this. Of course it doesn't always work, which begs the questions, does she exist or does she just not have a VK profile.

I think that this could be a great way of getting around the insincere / scammers / pro dater person and website. And best of all its completely free.

I wonder though how a lady with relationship status "äctively searching" in FSUW would feel about getting an unsolicited  from a total stranger, and what the best thing for me to say in the first message would be.

[CDW]

First of all, welcome here, Mikey.  I have been to Durban in 1995 for my good friend's wedding.  Beautiful city

I have found a lady from KhersonGirls website in vk.com.  It took me 2 minutes to find her.  In KhersonGirls, she is very interested in meeting me, but she did not accept me as friends in vk.com   lol   Therefore, I have eliminated her in my list for meeting!!

[SANDRO43]

I think that this could be a great way of getting around the insincere / scammers / pro dater person and website.

However, caution should be exercised there, as well .

The photos of the last 'Double Dealer' I've listed (http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=1598.0):

also appeared on no less than 4 VKontakte profiles (Viktoria Pasichnik, Elizaveta Sergeeva, Katya Katirinochka, Angelina Olshanskaya) and also on Odnoklassniki (Nicole Afenchenko), the Russian equivalent of Facebook.

Check photos with a Google Image search.

[ML]

Wonder where she bought those 'balloons.'
Kind of gross looking.

[mendeleyev]

Late October Halloween sale, ML, at the Farmer's Market. 

[Strider]

Free social media can eliminate agency costs and expose the insincere pretenders.  There are enough free dating sites that a lady who wants to find a Westerner doesn't really need an agency, unless she is getting a commission for being there, etc.

Do be careful with VK.   It could be easy to get in some trouble... I have a 14 year old friend on my VK profile and she sent me valentines!   

First of all, welcome here, Mikey.  I have been to Durban in 1995 for my good friend's wedding.  Beautiful city

I have found a lady from KhersonGirls website in vk.com.  It took me 2 minutes to find her.  In KhersonGirls, she is very interested in meeting me, but she did not accept me as friends in vk.com   lol   Therefore, I have eliminated her in my list for meeting!!

[Shadow]

VK, not unline Facebook, is full of false profiles. Any of them would have a blast with a stranger contacting them.
On the other hand... if you have a public profile where all women you have contact with are listed, they may compete!

[ML]

Late October Halloween sale, ML, at the Farmer's Market. 

Let's hope someone has a handy pin.

[ML]

I have found a lady from KhersonGirls website in vk.com.  It took me 2 minutes to find her.  In KhersonGirls, she is very interested in meeting me, but she did not accept me as friends in vk.com   lol   Therefore, I have eliminated her in my list for meeting!!

Be sure not to act in haste here.

I  don't have accounts on Vk, Facebook, etc.
But, in talking to younger friends who do . . . sometimes they get many requests for 'friendship status' and just go through and delete the whole group without much screening, figuring they already have contacted everyone they wanted to be friends with.

With this in mind, and taking your particular situation, it may have been prudent to tell her on the KG site that you were going to contact her on the VK site.  Then she would be prepared, and perhaps not delete you on the VK site along with several others in a batch.

Of course, you may actually have followed this procedure.

[Lily]

I'm wondering if this is a good idea, and if anyone has any experience doing it?

With VK unlike facebook you can search for people by sex, age, city, birthdate and relationship status. I have verified people from dating websites this way. I get the ladies first name, birthdate and city, from the website and then enter those details into vk.com and voila... you can actually circumvent the websites like this. Of course it doesn't always work, which begs the questions, does she exist or does she just not have a VK profile.

I think that this could be a great way of getting around the insincere / scammers / pro dater person and website. And best of all its completely free.

I wonder though how a lady with relationship status "äctively searching" in FSUW would feel about getting an unsolicited  from a total stranger, and what the best thing for me to say in the first message would be.

What makes you so sure that using vk or similar social networks for dating purposes, you would avoid scammers and most kinds of insincere people?
 
I was never on vk, but perhaps for a moment I could try walking in the shoes of a woman who has a vk account. Perhaps she joined with a purpose to promote her hobby, small business, to stay in touch with old friends or just to show the world how gorgeous she is. Suddenly, among the likes and messages, she receives an unsolicited email from someone across the ocean telling her lots of compliments and
asking her whether she would like to get to know him better with a remote prospect of marriage.
 
She might have thoughts like, what the heck? What makes him thinking that I am open to date at all, more than that, to date a foreigner? Accidentaly, she neglects the message at all, holding her thoughts to herself. She may, occasionally, be prone to still using the sudden suitor to her advantage, so she starts the correspondence with all kinds of frills that a pro-dater would use. Worse even, the suitor may even think that all bad apples are on the specialized dating sites. Therefore he is less cautious that he would normally be.
 
Other scenario would be that a smart woman joined the network with a particular purpose that she actively pursuits. For example, a close professional group may be present on the network.  In this case, approaching her with personal intentions may be negatively regarded at all.

[ML]

All true Lily.

However, wouldn't you agree the statistical probability of scammers would be lower on Vk?

[Shadow]

All true Lily.

However, wouldn't you agree the statistical probability of scammers would be lower on Vk?

Wouldn't you agree that the statistical probability of non-interested women would be more than proportional higher ?

[ML]

Wouldn't you agree that the statistical probability of non-interested women would be more than proportional higher ?

Yes.

[Lily]

All true Lily.

However, wouldn't you agree the statistical probability of scammers would be lower on Vk?

May be, but I am not a pro in scam and scammers    The only place where I learned about them was RWD 

[Strider]

We won't necessarily avoid scammers there.  There will be some there too.  The point is that we won't get scammed by the agency to PAY to correspond with insincere ladies on pay sites.  I am at the point that I refuse to use pay sites.  If a lady is serious about finding someone, there is no reason for her not to have a profile up on one of the free sites.  If she wants to use an agency too, that is fine, but when I get my mailbox full of letters from a site that I need to pay per letter to respond and I have then found the same lady on a free site and I get no response, I smell a con.  If she won't respond on the free site then GOOD-BYE!! 

VK is great because it has a great search engine that most pay sites lack.  It is easy to find someone if the information matches.  If she doesn't have a profile on VK or mamba, then I am suspicious.  As the Who sang it, "We don't get fooled again!" 

What makes you so sure that using vk or similar social networks for dating purposes, you would avoid scammers and most kinds of insincere people?

Having seen Lily's photo, I just got this old Who song in my head:

Pictures of Lily made my life so wonderful
Pictures of Lily helped me sleep at night
Pitcures of Lily solved my childhood problems
Pictures of Lily helped me feel alright

Pictures of Lily
Lily, oh Lily
Lily, oh Lily
Pictures of Lily
...
Pictures of Lily made my life so wonderful
Pictures of Lily helped me sleep at night

For me and Lily are together in my dreams
And I ask you, "Hey mister, have you ever seen"
"Pictures of Lily?"

[ML]

Pictures of Lily helped me sleep at night

Is this supposed to be a compliment??

What about the gal, thinking about whom, keeps you awake at night?

[Misha]

All true Lily.

However, wouldn't you agree the statistical probability of scammers would be lower on Vk?

Yes, and they are the ones who are invariably the first to write to you    The odds of falling upon a random scammer would be comparable to what it was like when I was dating using the mamba network already many years ago: remote. However, it would be an even bigger numbers game. You would have to write even more women before finding one who might be interested and interesting...

[calmissile]

Wonder where she bought those 'balloons.'
Kind of gross looking.

Agree.  There is such a thing as 'too much of a good thing'       

[alex330]

Perhaps she joined with a purpose to promote her hobby, small business, to stay in touch with old friends or just to show the world how gorgeous she is. Suddenly, among the likes and messages, she receives an unsolicited email from someone across the ocean telling her lots of compliments and
asking her whether she would like to get to know him better with a remote prospect of marriage.
 
She might have thoughts like, what the heck? What makes him thinking that I am open to date at all, more than that, to date a foreigner?

My thoughts on the direct vk approach as well. The women I know would not be too thrilled about this one unless you are extraordinary in some regard.

[Vasilisa]

I never add strangers I haven't met in person in my  friends' list  in social network and don't answer their messages.
One time a RM on a dating website tried to add me as a friend after having a very short conversation.
Nope, not going to work.

[Anotherkiwi]

I never add strangers I haven't met in person in my  friends' list  in social network and don't answer their messages.
One time a RM on a dating website tried to add me as a friend after having a very short conversation.
Nope, not going to work.

I might answer a message on Facebook, but I'm like you - all my "friends" (except one special RW) are people that I have actually met.  The level of friendship varies, of course (heck, my best friend doesn't even have a Facebook account!).

[steveboy]

I did the Vk thing many years ago, and yes it can work for sure, I actually met a fair few girls from there in person and many are now good long term friends.
But it involves sitting there sending message after message (They only allow 20 a day) and making yourself out to be some sad foreigner looking for a date lol! but if you don't mind that go for it.
But in general most girls/women there are not looking for a date and will just blank you.

As for scammers, scammers are on every site its only the idiots who fall victim to them.

[lordtiberius]

I met a lot of cool people on vk.  One girl I was almost close with.  Agree with most of the comments here.  Will say one thing though, one of my vk buddies said to me that I should drop a lot of these vk friends bc a lot of them were women of ill repute and this is from a West African living in Luhansk.  It is better to use vk as a validation site

[ML]

One girl I was almost close with. 

You were playing horse shoes with her??