General advices for avoiding scams, and my story from Ukraine

[cc3]

My apologies, RWD members. I forgot my place. I spend much more time on expatua.com which is frequented by men happily married and settled down in UA with their spouses. I will soon be joining them and will try to refrain from expressing, on this forum, my happiness and contentment with my fiancee.

[Daveman]

My apologies, RWD members. I forgot my place. I spend much more time on expatua.com which is frequented by men happily married and settled down in UA with their spouses. I will soon be joining them and will try to refrain from expressing, on this forum, my happiness and contentment with my fiancee.

What the heck is this about?

cc3, just a sneakin' suspicion, but do you think it's possible that you could be just a tad overly sensitive there?

[Jumper]

I think i'd fit in the happily married Ukrainian group, within the last couple of years.


 


Obviously I feel that most dates or meetings don't result in marriage,
and agree that a longish flight doesn't change that,nor should it.

[JayH]

I think i'd fit in the happily married Ukrainian group, within the last couple of years.


 


Obviously I feel that most dates or meetings don't result in marriage,
and agree that a longish flight doesn't change that,nor should it.

Yeah -- and it is so painful to read~~!
You and  Sasha need to watch out-- there are a couple of more guys claiming the "Happiest Guy On The Forum" title!!

[Rimrock300]

When you have established contact with a forme USSSSSSR woman, make sure to find out how her name is written in russian letters, they have just one official name. They have many ways of saying their name, as e.g. Oksana = Ksenia = Kseniya = Xenia and so on, Do searh on google:

* With russian letters : write her name in russian + city. There are the russian 'facbook's like 'B-contacte', and 'VK contacte' (or something like that) There is also pages like www.odnoklassniki.ru, where people who studied togehter are linked as friends. Here you aslo will see her lastname before and after marrige.
My scammer lady was very rude to me, and I was a bit rude back to her just some days ago where I did find contact information to many of here friends/school mates. I did get her to send me back a symboilc $1000, one dollar for every of here lies, as a 'punishment'. I did write her first and maiden name in russian, in the I did threaten her to make puplic all here letters and tell her friends about her secret life. I for sure 'hit the nail with hammer' here...I could easily damaged her good reputation seriously, and she could risked loosing here job. Of course I would not done it at all, even though her very rude scam and lies. I just need 2 months to earn the money I did use on this story, and it would had been too rude to destroy here reputation in her hometown, 'for ever'. It's just money and she was a poor poor soul who wanted to take care of her family.
As I searched with her first + maiden name, I did found a 'travel report' she had submitted to a local newspaper 5 years ago, from a trip to Thailand with her then boyfriend. She gave me the impression that she never had been on an airplane, and hardly been out of town. 'I am so poor'.
She also told that she had no TV, because she was poor. But later on she commented that her son liked to watch commercials, and to advise her mother about what cleaning products to buy.. Details details...but it is just later one that one figure things out...So guy, be awake, and listen every word your new friend is saying..

* In english; google 'first name + city + birth year' Many of her dating profiles on the net will apear, and it is often possible to see last 'activity date'. But remember; there are many fake profiles on the net, and pictures and information are often stolen from exisitng profiles, and copies to be created. So this is no 'evidence', you never know for sure who is behind the profile of course.
I had 2 of here active profiles open at the same time as she send me an ordinary email. Just 1 minute after it was sent, the 2 profiles on the net went 'active'....No 100% evidence of course, but made me wonder about that timeing...


Again; try a least avoiding non english speaking ladies, and you at least have saved yourself for a fortune in translator money, when you discover the scam.


Many of these ladies don't see it as so 'bad' to take some money from the rich (you) and give them to the poor (hemselves).

well guys, you can start to analyse, break down my comments. 'Break it down until you 'shit on you'... It's just my opinion. You can naturally have yours. 

[ML]

When you have established contact with a UA woman, make sure to find out how her name is written in Russian . . .

Sounds rather strange.

So if you contact a German woman . . . should you find out how her name is written in French?

[Rimrock300]

Sounds rather strange.

So if you contact a German woman . . . should you find out how her name is written in French?

Eastern Ukraine is the poorest region, with the most scammers. 'Russians'. But naturally, search in ukrainan to, by all means..

[Chicagoguy]

I only met one woman who took me home or introduced me to her family. The first time was to her flat. As soon as we pulled my luggage inside she said "all the babushkas on the front benches were watching". Next time we met her son and parents. It involves some risk for them so I understand.
I didn't meet my wife's family until after we were married but I did meet her daughter in Moscow ahead of time.

[dogspot]

I think dogspot married in the same time frame, though I can't remember from where is his wife. 

She's from Novosibirsk. Rossiya. It's kinda like the same thing. Only different.

[mendeleyev]

make sure to find out how her name is written in russian letters, they have just one official name. They have many ways of saying their name, as e.g. Oksana = Ksenia = Kseniya = Xenia and so on

Just to further help this along, to get the right individual you'll need all 3 names:

To start you'll need a bit of alphabet training and the Russian Cyrillic has 33 letters which you'll find here:
http://russianreport.wordpress.com/russian-language/learn-the-cyrillic-alphabet/

- The first name is her "saint" name given usually because she has born on a date corresponding to a Russian saint. It is the name as she was baptized and what we call her "first name" in the West.

Here is a list of names and their abbreviations:
http://russianreport.wordpress.com/russian-language/russian-names/

A guy shouldn't be alarmed if she uses various first names in different settings. That isn't being deceptive; instead she will naturally use the name corresponding to the relationship she has with others. Here is another example: Виктория – Viktoriya (English: Victoria. Викa – Vika, Вита – Vita, etc).


- Her middle name isn't a middle name at all; it is a form of her father's name known as a patronymic and every daughter in the family will have the same "middle" name. Same for guys but the form is a little different.


So, don't freak out if you find see the girl is Maria Дмитриевна or Maria Dmitrievna, (Maria, daughter of Dmitry) one time and Masha, Mashenka, Mashunechka at other times. All are correct and she isn't hiding anything.  The general rule is that you never shorten her name until she brings up the subject. Until then, say with the formal until you're invited to call her by a shorter name which is a sign of deepening friendship.


- Now here is the tricky part, not that she is being tricky but it is a foreign concept to we Westerners: in most communications it is customary to use only the first and middle (patronymic) names. Rarely, except for official/legal settings do Russians use their family names (last name).

Finally, her last name will generally end with an "a" and there are some exceptions but not many. If her father is Dmitry Petrov then her name has that a, as in Petrova. If her family's name is Medvedev then her last name is Medvedeva.

[Shadow]

You visit a woman 3 times in 2 years and when you find she is no longer in love with you then you demand $1000 in compensation? Who is a scammer here?

[CDW]

Hire a translator $15-20 an hour (typically they will stay with you 10 hours a day)
Staying 5 nights in Sumy (5 hours away from airport, $200 taxi, should be ordered by your lady. Will be +20% if ordered at the airport), dinners for you, your lady and translator, 10 hours a day, some gifts, cinema, apartment, local taxi trips in town (cheap), airline ticket from europe to Kiev, totals $4000
Bring enough creditcards.

Personally, I don't believe in using a translator, certainly not for 10 hours.  Perhaps only for 1-2 hours introduction.   After that, you need to learn how to communicate with your lady, otherwise you two will never learn.   Do you need translator when living together with her when she hasn't learnt your language yet.

Even if you hire translator for 10 hours, the translator should only act as a translator - nothing more.  The translator shouldn't make 'friend' with the lady during the hiring, unless you wish her/him to.

When I was in Colombia, I had one of the dates that the translator wasn't available.  It turned out that the date was far better than the previous one with the translator. 

[steveboy]

There is one sure way to succeed in finding your dream women. And that is this, don't make a prat of yourself running after women 30 years younger than yourself!
Forget about beauty queens because not many actually exist, especially after they have taken their make up off, the vast majority of FSUW are just normal women.

If you think your going to find yourself a genuine cat walk model , 25/30 years younger than yourself you are totally deluded.

Of course unless your lucky like myself

[Jumper]

Eastern Ukraine is the poorest region, with the most scammers. 'Russians'. But naturally, search in ukrainan to, by all means..

Western Ukraine's economy is generally lower than the east actually.
but yes most of the larger scam cities seem to be east or southern ukraine..

The western cities are not really  known for this scamming ...
but certainly are not more affluent.
They simply do not have the nearly the MOB agency presence.
There are a lot of factors that contribute to that.