My response to the Admin of Hot Russian Brides.
Jack,
I'm still failing to see any point to this. Could you elaborate as to why you keep hammering home the idea that some ladies are chatting late from home? Please, I'm all ears.
Yes Patrick, I will elude to your question. I don't know how much experience you have with Russian women and Russian girls. And their is a difference. Although opinions will vary, in my opinion Russian females of 18, 19, 20, 21 are Russian girls. Very few Russian women and Russian girls have computers at home and even fewer have webcams, unless maybe some source might be providing young and hot looking girls with such computers and webcams, but most Russian girls, most Russian women just do not have this luxury. When I see on your site girls from Omsk chatting with men they would like to date at 4:45 in the morning, or girls from Nikolaev being on camera at 3:30am, and not a few, but 30-40 young girls at 3-4am, it is something I have NEVER seen before. And because of this I am asking you "How does this happen?" How are you able to get school teachers whom one would think needs sleep and rest in order to teach the next morning, how is one agency able to get so many fine looking young women to be online chatting and before video cams at 3-4-5am in the morning? And night after night.
Since your all ears Patrick, knowledgeable and sincere men, and those wanting to become knowledgeable, are curious as to how your able to have so many young girls who are sitting at dating agencies all over Russia and Ukraine at 2, 3, 4, 5am. This is just something I have never seen in my twelve years that I have been involved with the pursuit for a Russian woman.
The reason some of the ladies are online during a late time is because that's when the majority of our men our online.
Ohhhh, so your saying all these young girls, many of which are students, these young ladies who are school teachers, are coming to the dating agencies at 2, 3, 4am just to chat with guys and be seen on video? Well, that does seem a bit odd. May I ask are these young girls and ladies compensated in any way for doing this? As you know most the metro's are closed at this time of the night in the FSU. And taxi's at this time of the night are double the normal charges. So are these young girls and ladies paying this additional cost to go to these dating agencies to chat to men? Again, if so, this is just something I have NEVER seen before on such a scale and was one of the things I was hoping you would explain.
So honestly Jack, whatever you're trying to prove her is totally unsubstantiated and quite honestly, it's getting boring.
Well Patrick, I'm not trying to prove anything, I'm very curious as to why I see what is happening here and only here and this is why I am asking these questions. I mean this is just not normal. Most 18, 19, 20 year old girls I know would NEVER go to some dating agency at 2, 3, 4am on a Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday morning and chat with foreign men. Most the 18, 19, 20 year old Russian/Ukraine girls I know are enjoying their youth by seeing, dating, talking to young Ukraine and Russian boys. Now if these young girls were compensated in some way, or if it were a job, then I could see this, but it's really hard for me to grasp what is happening at your dating agencies. Patrick since 1995 I have seen this industry revolve and it is always changing. I try to learn from the changes I see, to stay on top of things. But what I see coming out of your camp is new to me and if this is a new fad I need to see it coming so I can adjust and help our own future clients, although one major difference I see is that we pretty much deal with men looking to marry and not to date. In fact we refuse to work with men who are just wanting to date and as such learning about your operation will probably help me in the long run in trying to detect between those men wanting to date and those wanting to marriage. So as you can see your insight, what your dating agencies are experiencing are quite important to me, so I ask questions.
And as far as this being considered boring, well certainly not to me. As well I think MANY men can learn from such change of information and views and for those who might find this boring, guess what, they won't read of our exchanges. From what I can see Patrick there are a great many guys who are reading of our exchanges and so to them they must not consider this boring. I know I don't.
I'm also going to say this once; As an agency owner you need to be very careful about what you say about our site without any proof, as it can be considered as libel.
Hey, tell me, I know about libel. We will review everything I have stated or asked of you. Yes I do know about libel Patrick, such as you writing,....What kind of service never advertises, never shows anyone their product, and only caters to a "select" few?
By first glance it appears you are stating I do not advertise, that would be considered libel Patrick as I can certainly prove otherwise. By reading what you have written about our agency in stating we never show anyone our product, well Patrick, that is a just out and out lie, it's libel Patrick, you are stating we never show anyone our product and we can prove what you are stating is an outright lie. And when you write we only cater to a few, well I think your attorneys can get you off with this deceptive wording, right, we offer our services to a "select" few million.
Now Patrick, speaking of libel, which YOU have clearly done, let's look at what I have said, or asked, of your agency.
First I think what Sandro43 has done is a service, it is an awakening.
Patrick H from Hot Russian Brides says Sandro "leeched" these photos.
Patrick, you seem to be a bit defensive about me mentioning the name Hot Russian Brides.
Patrick has made many snide remarks about his competitors. ......my comments were not in any way defaming their site and were simply observations of its performance..........I'm not bashing the integrity of the agency but merely questioning the services that they may or may not be able to provide......It should be noted that I'm not specifically labeling this particular site as negative but the practice of contact information purchases in general..........One also has a hard time ignoring the glaring grammar and spelling mistakes on the company's mission statement.......I was merely pointing out the credibility issues of a company who advertises for hardcore pornography on their dating site......... I've looked at these "other agencies" and can only marvel at the sites they associate themselves with........ Most of these other sites pay the ladies to meet you once for dinner and then leave you at the doorstep........ there are plenty of companies who would be more than happy to sell you bogus contact information all day.........
You call yourself Hot Russian Brides but you say your NOT a marriage agency! Your a dating agency but in your name you refer to Brides.
Patrick you write,
we don't sell people's addresses. we find the whole practice distasteful."
and then you write,
"Plain and simple; purchase 2,500 credits once and you're given access to any of the ladies' Independent Agencies."
You write "we don't arrange trips" but then you write "all of our affiliates are well briefed as to what we're expecting from customers before they travel."
Patrick you wrote,..."Other sites rely on 3rd parties to orally validate their ladies. NOT US! " ..... When you use our service youre being guaranteed that all of the ladies are real and that theyre here for the right reasons." ...."You're very right that we serve as an intermediary between the men but I can assure you that we have full knowledge of what our agencies do on our site.......No we didn't own any agencies but we do hold the reigns on anything they said or did on our site and with our customers....Our customer service staff works non-stop to make sure that the agencies, ladies, and customers are acting in an appropriate manner"...On your website you write "Upon signup, each and every lady on our website must submit a valid photo id in person with the local Independent Company/Agency Representative with whom we work. Furthermore, we have spoken with each lady to ensure she is a willing and motivated participant in our service. ".
With all these precautions Patrick one has to wonder how an American Porn Queen becomes a member of Hot Russian Brides. I mean what local Independent company/agency rep spoke with this American woman, reviewed her American passport?
However I will stand behind my business preference of asking guys who would like to offer a reference "What good is your reference if men cannot contact you directly" and you know what Patrick, most guys agree. Why all 32 of your references refuse to include an e-mail address so others can verify what they have said seems a bit queer and unusual to me.
Patrick you write,....Jack honestly expects me to provide the contact information of our satisfied customers to him, even those he's a competitor! The very idea is so laughable I honestly didn't think anyone had the guts to ever proposition it.
Patrick, I wouldn't consider it having the gut's to ever proposition it, it can be laughable to you, but instead I see it more as having the confidence in one's service and in having many happy clients who are willing to express their happiness to others that they are willing to offer an e-mail address so they can share their experience and opinions. It maybe laughable to you but I can assure you potential clients don't see it as laughable but as a sign of confidence, efficiency, being able to do what one claims.
All one has to do is look at the three most popular Russian discussion boards, I see complaints after complaints. I have not seen ONE happy client post.
Patrick you write, ...And to refute your claim, there have been more than a few "happy client" posts,
To which I have asked now three times WHERE? Please Patrick, show me ONE positive comment posted by any past or current Hot Russian Brides client on ANY discussion board as you claim exist. Credibility as you know is important in this industry Patrick, where are these "more than a few happy client posts"?
