A BELARUS BRIDE WEBSITE /AGENCY

[sdgill58]

Hello everybody

I was looking for some advice to see if anybody has any experience in dealing with  A Belarus BRIDE website which is operated by an American couple Nina & Greg and they have a photograph of themselves on their how to join section. If anybody has knowledge of their service and how genuine there agency is ? I would very much appreciate the advice as how to guide me further. Thank you in advance for your help and advice

Steve. UK

[ML]

operated by an American couple Nina & Greg

Steve. UK

Well this should be enough right there to send you running.

You know that America is now the "Evil Empire."

Where is the next Stalin, Kruschev, etc., when we need them???

[Slumba]

I believe that I have read some trip reports concerning this agency, and the feeling was that their support "on the ground" while in Belarus was not as good as it could have been.

[Larry1]

A guy I know used this agency and was reasonably happy with it, but if I remember his account of it correctly their fees are very high for what you get.

[ML]

. . .  their fees are very high for what you get.

But maybe you get a 5 year/50,000 mile warranty.

Or maybe a guaranteed trade in allowance.

Just realized what we actually need . . . a lease option.

Sorry, but I have time to kill as I am 'on hold' with IRS.  After I punched in tons of info, and then traveled down through 7 layers of menu's;  I was told the wait time was 20 minutes.  I am now  at 33 minutes and counting.

[mendeleyev]

 

I am now  at 33 minutes and counting.

Uh oh ML, you responded to the prompt "if you are member of a tea party press 77," didn't you?

[ML]

Uh oh ML, you responded to the prompt "if you are member of a tea party press 77," didn't you?

I guess so.  My call was answered at the 47 minute mark.  I had a terrible headache as I was afraid I would get disconnected for any of a dozen reasons after waiting so long.

Anyway, the gal that answered was very pleasant, well spoken, spent a lot of time looking into my files, and answered my questions in full.

I know it is not a lot of fun to be working for IRS right now, so I appreciated her good spirit and helpfulness.

[Faux Pas]

I guess so.  My call was answered at the 47 minute mark.  I had a terrible headache as I was afraid I would get disconnected for any of a dozen reasons after waiting so long.

Anyway, the gal that answered was very pleasant, well spoken, spent a lot of time looking into my files, and answered my questions in full.

I know it is not a lot of fun to be working for IRS right now, so I appreciated her good spirit and helpfulness.

I find speakerphone helpful in these situations. I turn it on and set it down, turn on Espn or whatever and wait until I hear "Hello my name is ____________ Hello, Hello, Hello, then I'll say give me just a minute (with Espn blaring). If I am really pissed I'll do that another 5-10 minutes

[Strider]

Does anyone have any recent info about Belarus?

I don't see much about Belarus on the forum.  It looks like it may not be fished out like other places.

[mendeleyev]

Beautiful country where the Soviet Union still lives. It is not that hard to enter but many feel as if there is an intimidation factor, although most WM traveling there have no difficulties.

It is a smaller country, the name means "White Russia" and although there are a few cities it is more rural generally.

Russian is the most predominate language although the Belorussian language is making a comeback.

As a Communism dictatorship is still very much alive it is one of the poorer countries in Europe but nowhere near as bleak as Moldova, etc.

[jone]

In the Midwest, we used to have the term 'Wetlands'.  In the East, they call it the Marsh.  In the South they call it swamp. 

In Eastern Europe, they simply call it Belarus.   

[JohnDearGreen]

...A Belarus BRIDE website...

Check this trip report.  Many good pics also.
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=12357.0

[Strider]

It is a smaller country, the name means "White Russia" and although there are a few cities it is more rural generally.

It is better translated as "White Ruthenia" or "White Rus", being part of old Kievian Rus, although modern Belarus also contains what had been Black Ruthenia in the West.  In the time of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth modern Belarus had been joined with Lithuania and was a part thereof.  (Modern Ukraine was "Red Ruthenia" before adopting the current name which can be translated as "in/from the [borderland] province".)  Modern Russia was not actually part of Kievian Rus.  The Tsar of Muscovy simply appropriated the name to claim its mantle.

Russian is the most predominate language although the Belorussian language is making a comeback.

There is also a smattering of Polish, especially in the West of the country.  I have Polish friends who have roots there and return to visit relatives and tend graves, etc.

As a Communism dictatorship is still very much alive it is one of the poorer countries in Europe but nowhere near as bleak as Moldova, etc.

That should make for good prospects.  The Belorussian ladies have a reputation for their beauty.  Especially the blondes, who are likely descended from the Vikings. 

Check this trip report.  Many good pics also.
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=12357.0

Well it has a lot of pictures, and lots of daily minute details.  It was also started over three years ago.  However, the long and short of it is that he paid around $1000 for matchmaking services to A Belarus Bride and was unhappy with the result.  So, he somehow found another girl in Belarus and got married.  I am interested in the best ways to meet girls in Belarus.   The thread is silent about that.

[JohnDearGreen]

Well it has a lot of pictures, and lots of daily minute details.  It was also started over three years ago.  However, the long and short of it is that he paid around $1000 for matchmaking services to A Belarus Bride and was unhappy with the result.  So, he somehow found another girl in Belarus and got married.  I am interested in the best ways to meet girls in Belarus.   The thread is silent about that.

I believe this is sdgill58's thread, not yours.  Suggest you start your own post stating what you are looking for.   sdgill58 is looking for info on Belarus Bride.  There are many, many who have spent $xxxx for a VO trip and came back empty handed.

[ML]

There are many, many who have spent $xxxx for a VO trip and came back empty handed.

And likely only had one thing in their hands before, during and after the trip.

[LAman]

And likely only had one thing in their hands before, during and after the trip.

Emptiness???
Hand Cream???
Gimme some clues......

[mendeleyev]

Modern Russia was not actually part of Kievian Rus.  The Tsar of Muscovy simply appropriated the name to claim its mantle.

We'll have to disagree on that one. The Kievan Rus extended into what is not modern Russia as far as places like Novgorod and Vladimir.

It is better translated as "White Ruthenia" or "White Rus", being part of old Kievian Rus

It fits with any of White Russia, White Rus or White Ruthenia although surely you know that Ruthenia is seimply a latinized form of Rus, and when the term White Russia is used it does not mean modern day Russia.

[Slumba]

And likely only had one thing in their hands before, during and after the trip.

Their luggage!  ZING! 

[Strider]

We'll have to disagree on that one. The Kievan Rus extended into what is not modern Russia as far as places like Novgorod and Vladimir.

According to Yale's Timothy Snyder in The Reconstruction of Nations: Poland, Ukraine, Lithuania, Belarus, 1569-1999 all of Kievan Rus was contained within the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth after the its fall.  Perhaps he is wrong?  It wasn't really the focus of the work, and it may depend on how the borders of Kievan Rus are defined.  In any event, it appears you are citing the exception that proves the rule:  Moscovy wasn't Kievan Rus.

It fits with any of White Russia, White Rus or White Ruthenia although surely you know that Ruthenia is seimply a latinized form of Rus, and when the term White Russia is used it does not mean modern day Russia.

Russia and Ruthenia are widely regarded as different terms.  The Germans differentiate between Russland and Ruthenia, and I believe the Poles do as well.  Certainly, Ukrainian nationalists can become quite passionate about how the modern Russians were not actually Rus and how the name was stolen from them, etc.

I believe this is sdgill58's thread, not yours.  Suggest you start your own post stating what you are looking for.   sdgill58 is looking for info on Belarus Bride.  There are many, many who have spent $xxxx for a VO trip and came back empty handed.

Really now, my post is far more relevant to the thread than comments about calling the IRS and waiting on hold.  If the consensus is that people are unhappy with this agency, then it is a fair point to ask what alternatives exist.  I prefer not to start a new thread unnecessarily.

[mendeleyev]

Perhaps he is wrong?

Visit Russia's Golden Ring" sometime and learn the history of the region. You'll find that the Kievan Rus "was here" in greater influence that he apparently understands.

[Boethius]

According to Yale's Timothy Snyder in The Reconstruction of Nations: Poland, Ukraine, Lithuania, Belarus, 1569-1999 all of Kievan Rus was contained within the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth after the its fall.  Perhaps he is wrong?  It wasn't really the focus of the work, and it may depend on how the borders of Kievan Rus are defined.  In any event, it appears you are citing the exception that proves the rule:  Moscovy wasn't Kievan Rus.

No, Professor Snyder wrote that most of the lands of Kyivan-Rus were acquired by Lithuania in the 14th century (see page 105).  According to the Primary Chronicles, Kyiv was founded by the Polinian prince Kyi in the sixth century.  It was conquered by the Varangians, and the first rulers of Rus' were Askold and Dyr.  In 882, they were killed by Oleh, son of Riuryk of Novgorod, and Riuryk's descendants ruled Kiev Rus' until 1596.

 

[Boethius]

Visit Russia's Golden Ring" sometime and learn the history of the region. You'll find that the Kievan Rus "was here" in greater influence that he apparently understands.

Mendy, he is a preeminent historian, and I am fairly certain he is intimately familiar with the history of Novgorod. 
 

[mendeleyev]

Mendy, he is a preeminent historian, and I am fairly certain he is intimately familiar with the history of Novgorod.

Thus my use of the word in bold: You'll find that the Kievan Rus "was here" in greater influence that he apparently understands. 

[Strider]

Mendy the issue is not that Kievan Rus culture was present in Novgorod.  Clearly it was.  The issue apparently is that Snyder and other Western scholars consider Novgorod to have been a vassal state to Kievan Rus and not Rus itself.  A similar example can be found with England having been a vassal state of France after the Norman conquest.  French culture came to England and Norman French influenced and changed the Old English language, but England was not a part of France although its king pledged fealty to the French king for a time.  The English language and French language remained separate, just as Russain is not considered a Ruthenian language, although they have similarities. 

Visit Russia's Golden Ring" sometime and learn the history of the region. You'll find that the Kievan Rus "was here" in greater influence that he apparently understands.

Professor Snyder wrote both the Grand Duke of Lithuania had conquered most of Kievan Rus, AND that all of Kievan Rus lands had been contained by the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.  (I don't travel with that work, but I did read it carefully.)  The remainder of all what he considered to have been Kievan Rus had been conquered by the Polish king Casimir the Great (Casimi III) in 1340 when the wooden Kievan town of L'viv was burned to the ground with its one stone church left standing.  Lithuania and Poland (then ruled by separate monarchs) had divided Kievan Rus after it had been shamefully paying tribute to the Golden Horde, thus endangering Christianity in Slavic lands.

No, Professor Snyder wrote that most of the lands of Kyivan-Rus were acquired by Lithuania in the 14th century (see page 105). 

Yes, Professor Snyder is well respected, although I didn't agree with all of his conclusions.

Mendy, he is a preeminent historian, and I am fairly certain he is intimately familiar with the history of Novgorod. 

Similar tales tell of how Rome was founded by the brothers Romulus and Remus and how Warsaw was founded after the fisherman Wars fell in love with a mermaid called Sawa on the river there.  Scholars find none of this credible history.

According to the Primary Chronicles, Kyiv was founded by the Polinian prince Kyi in the sixth century.

[Rational_Julia]

Hello everybody

I was looking for some advice to see if anybody has any experience in dealing with  A Belarus BRIDE website which is operated by an American couple Nina & Greg and they have a photograph of themselves on their how to join section. If anybody has knowledge of their service and how genuine there agency is ? I would very much appreciate the advice as how to guide me further. Thank you in advance for your help and advice

Steve. UK

Steve, I think local agencies in my country are a waste of money. I met my husband through freepersonals and we are quite happy. Women who come to agencies usually have worse level of English than "independent seekers" and agencies demand the photos to be professional which means after plane you may see plain girl instead of one who was good-looking on photos. If you are okay with paying for schools of English and not into looks you may give it a try (provided you've got unneeded money). So my advice it to try with Belarusian girls at freepersonals first.