http://www.ukraine-dating-agency.com/ (Ray Clark)

[ukthesis]

Back in August, I sent from the UK £67 to Ray Clark, another Englishman.  He runs http://www.ukraine-dating-agency.com/.  He offered an "unofficial" service, as he called it.  Involved his placing advertisements in the Ukrainian press for male clients after which, when he received replies, he would filter them for scammers and pass to the client the rest.

He claimed to be placing these adverts for me in September, and October 2013 and in January 2014.  But I never got anything back from Clark except excuses as to why he couldn't deliver any results.  I sent complaint after complaint but was stonewalled when I asked how long this process would take.  He replied "how long is a piece of string?" as his standard cop-out, since he didn't promise to deliver anything in a given time scale.  So you could be waiting 5 years to get anything back, who knows?  Or you might die first ...  Eventually he simply ignored my complaints of lack of action.  In the meantime, only last month, he was still promoting this useless service. 

A friend of mine wrote to him on my behalf to see if he was still offering this service in April.  Yes was the answer.  After my friend asked him for me, unbenownst to Clark, Clark later offered my friend a much "faster" and unfilitered service as he called it.  This involved replies to the advertisements he received being passed straight to my friend, saving him time by bypassing the filtering process.  I had previously asked Clark for this same service at the end of December - but to no avail.  The usual lack of a response.  After my friend was offered the "unfiltered" service, I asked Clark again if I could have it.  No response from the guy.  This was in complete contrast to the sheer speed, of within a few hours, he took to reply to my friends emails of enquiry.

I finally asked Clark if he had any proof that these advertisements he had allegedly place had actually been placed.  No response to that request either.

Lately, Clark has been blaming the situation in the Ukraine for his troubles.  He forgets that his service failed months before.

So be warned again being taken in by Ray Clark's "unofficial" advertisement service - as at best completely useless.  Scamming cannot also be ruled out.

[Faux Pas]

Wow, I had no idea there were still folks offering print advertisements or worst, folks buying into it. ukthesis, it is a sham. It was a method and apparently an effective one for a year or so, in the 90's. You sound gullible yet, honest. IIRC I gave you some decent advice sometime back that you pooped on so, I won't offer you anymore. Have you made a trip yet?

[BillyB]

Involved his placing advertisements in the Ukrainian press for male clients after which, when he received replies, he would filter them for scammers and pass to the client the rest.

It's very possible the ladies who responded to the ad, arrived to Ray's office to be evaluated for sincerity, and then chose to communicate with another man after reviewing all the photos of men. You have competition. Figure out how to beat that competition whether it's improving hygiene, your physical appearance, and/or the way you communicate with the ladies.


Ukthesis, you shouldn't put all your eggs in one basket and waste time. Use multiple sites to search for ladies including going out to meet ladies at home. Also, don't rely on others to find ladies for you and expect them to shoulder most of the blame if they don't get results. There are a lot of good sites at this forum that people recommend. Stick with those and remember, no company can guarantee 100% results.

[Vaughn]

I cannot possibly imagine women reading want ads in their search for a relationship. Perhaps many years ago, but not anymore.

[ukthesis]

I didn't put all my eggs in this basket, which is just as well. 

In fact, he did "claim" in September or October to have received replies to the adverts - but he had no time to "filter" them."  As I say this is back in the fall.  Since then, despite my asking the guy over and over, no delivery.  He even sent a photo of someone he claimed was a "Ukrainian Nurse" who was interested.  Plus, I asked the guy at the end of December to just send the replies directly to me, to save more time going past.  Since he was obviously having problems coping.  Never got a reply to that one.

Later, in April, a friend of mine inquired.  This time (perhaps because he might get more money!) Clark was very quick to respond to my mate's emails.  And this time, after my mate asked, Clark offered HIM this unfiltered service that he had never even mentioned to me.  Needless to say, I warned my friend that once he paid Clark, he would be very unlikely to get any service.

At this stage, I seriously wonder if the adverts were even placed.  I did ask him, and you can guess the rest (no reply).

It's just to warn anything foolish enough to be taken in.  There are other angry or fed up guys out there, and I know because Clark sent my friend and myself a standard email explaining the problems he's having and warning people paying for this service against "comparing notes."

As I say, I'm not stupid enough to not also try other dating sites.  But not very nice having the feeling of getting ripped off.

[Patagonie]

Back in August, I sent from the UK £67 to Ray Clark, another Englishman.  He runs http://www.ukraine-dating-agency.com/.  He offered an "unofficial" service, as he called it.  Involved his placing advertisements in the Ukrainian press for male clients after which, when he received replies, he would filter them for scammers and pass to the client the rest.

He claimed to be placing these adverts for me in September, and October 2013 and in January 2014.  But I never got anything back from Clark except excuses as to why he couldn't deliver any results.  I sent complaint after complaint but was stonewalled when I asked how long this process would take.  He replied "how long is a piece of string?" as his standard cop-out, since he didn't promise to deliver anything in a given time scale.  So you could be waiting 5 years to get anything back, who knows?  Or you might die first ...  Eventually he simply ignored my complaints of lack of action.  In the meantime, only last month, he was still promoting this useless service. 

A friend of mine wrote to him on my behalf to see if he was still offering this service in April.  Yes was the answer.  After my friend asked him for me, unbenownst to Clark, Clark later offered my friend a much "faster" and unfilitered service as he called it.  This involved replies to the advertisements he received being passed straight to my friend, saving him time by bypassing the filtering process.  I had previously asked Clark for this same service at the end of December - but to no avail.  The usual lack of a response.  After my friend was offered the "unfiltered" service, I asked Clark again if I could have it.  No response from the guy.  This was in complete contrast to the sheer speed, of within a few hours, he took to reply to my friends emails of enquiry.

I finally asked Clark if he had any proof that these advertisements he had allegedly place had actually been placed.  No response to that request either.

Lately, Clark has been blaming the situation in the Ukraine for his troubles.  He forgets that his service failed months before.

So be warned again being taken in by Ray Clark's "unofficial" advertisement service - as at best completely useless.  Scamming cannot also be ruled out.

With all my respect not knowing you.

A lot of guys come in Ukraine and want to meet some hot babies, often the hottest ones (in the catalog).
When the honest owners answer that they cannot get any appointment, foreigners get angry and start to accuse them of scamming.
The funny thing is that happens escpecially after some guys paid tons of money during diners with others  previous agencies (dishonest agencies who pay girls for the appointment).

So the question is : what is your value on the US/european market ? Right now, are you capable to date an 8, a 9 ?
What type of girls are you waiting for on the net ? And what type of girls are you usually dating ?
Is your profile at the right level of your usual dating ?

NB : After your arrival in the east please notice that you will shift of 0,5 or 1 point all your previous attractiveness/beauty scale.
Surprisingly

[Larry1]

NB : After your arrival in the east please notice that you will shift of 0,5 or 1 point all your previous attractiveness/beauty scale.
Surprisingly

True.  That is one of the main reasons we go to FSU to find a wife.

[Manny]

UKThesis, as you use £'s I assume you are a Brit.

If this ever happens for you, it will cost you over ten grand (visas alone are about five grand over time) and more likely over twenty if not thirty. This endeavour sucks money. Even when you get it right. It is not a hobby for the pauper.

We all do the learning curve. As Vaughn touched on above, newspaper ads are pretty old hat now when women are all over social networks and everyone has an iphone. People were selling that service years ago and back then it used to work to a degree.

This guy has sixty odd quid out of you - not six hundred. I spent that on lunch for my wife and I the other day. Put it in perspective.

You did right in exposing the bloke, but beyond that, write the sixty odd quid off to experience and the learning curve. You are having angst over a sixty odd quid service from last September - its May now! Eight months later!

Yes, you were probably stitched up, but to be agonising over sixty quid eight months later.......   that alone tells me this endeavour isn't for you. If sixty quid is a lot of money for you, enough to be agonising eight months later about, then UK visas at about £1000 a pop will floor you.

[Patagonie]

Manny and Vaughn bring two valid issues :
Nowadays ads are barely no longer used. You will not see a girl in Ukraine without a phone (often with two).
This endeavor sucks a lot, i open the site you told us, and this guy is a bargain, 450 bucks for what he is offering, you would never find such price anywhere ! You cannot expect to spend it in two days just for meetings, food and terp if you meet some ladies. And for this price not sure that the appartement is paid.
So Manny has a valid point : your financiel possibilities are the treshold to do it or to forget it. I probably put around 50000 $ in this journey before getting married.

[CDW]

UKThesis, as you use £'s I assume you are a Brit.

Not only £  but also his ID name lol

[Manny]

Not only £  but also his ID name lol

You might have a point there. 

[BillyB]

In fact, he did "claim" in September or October to have received replies to the adverts - but he had no time to "filter" them." 

If he didn't do his work, he owes you a refund. I looked at his site and it said he is supposed to send you 2 copies of your ad in the newspapers.


You kept your emails? Ask him to come to this site with proof he did his work. He may change his tune and give you what you paid for or refund your money since the dispute is brought out in public.


Although newspapers are rarely used to find love, I have seen men and women read newspapers in the FSU so it's possible but there are so many better and faster ways to find people these days.

[steveboy]

Do you have his address in Ukraine? I am very happy to go round and give the guy a slap!!