Hi everyone

[farmer.Al]

My name is Allan from  Wales. Just come out of a 2 year relationship with a lovely Ukrainian girl, she has a very good job in Israel and now really likes the country and would  prefer  to stay there rather than take a big chance on coming to wet Wales. 

Anyway, going back onto Elena's to search again,would anyone have advice on the best way to go about it?   Obviously, you can't tell someone's real personality from their photo and a few words written in the profile, you need to spend a long time talking on Skype or in person.

Is it better to contact a large number of potential partners at once,knowing that only a small % will be interested in you and actually compatible?  Or is it better to concentrate on small number who seem ideal from their profiles?

Cheers

[Faux Pas]

Welcome to RWD Al!

Which is best is hard to say. To each their own I would suspect. I would suggest that you read profiles and express interest in all the women that do in fact interest you. Profiles are not designed for you to "know" the woman or some kind of personality filter. It's a very rudimentary way of determining interest. I always likened it to meeting in a bar.

There are no shortcuts to learning a woman through Elenas as opposed to meeting them on the street. Remember, you're not picking out a puppy in a catalog. When I initially joined Elena's I expressed interest in about 30 women and quickly found out it was way more than I wanted to correspond simultaneously with at once. I had about a 45% positive response. That was about 12-13 I was email writing with at once and quite frankly it was a PITA. That many was a PITA for "me" but perhaps not for you?

[2tallbill]

My name is Allan from  Wales.

Allan, welcome to the forum

Anyway, going back onto Elena's to search again,would anyone have advice on the best way
to go about it?   Obviously, you can't tell someone's real personality from their photo and a
few words written in the profile, you need to spend a long time talking on Skype or in person.

Alan, there are a hundred ways to do this and be successful but there are a thousand
ways to f#ck it up. I would recommend that you dedicate considerable time to do research
here at the forum. I will post some links at the end of the post that will get you pointed in
the right direction.

Is it better to contact a large number of potential partners at once,knowing that only a small
% will be interested in you and actually compatible?  Or is it better to concentrate on small
number who seem ideal from their profiles?

Cheers

First I recommend you decide if you want to meet one or meet many.

I would cast your net as wide as possible in the beginning if you want to meet one.
Then ruthlessly narrow the field to the best one.

If you want to meet many, then pick a city, and then write to every girl in that city that
meets your basic requirements and ask them if they would like to meet for tea.

Threads about How to get started
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=14615.0


The ten commandments
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=1740.0


The free E-book
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?action=ezportal;sa=page;p=47


Then I would read all the trip reports. This link goes to mine
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=3432.0


Some FAQ's
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?action=faq


Udachi!


Bill

[zooble]

My name is Allan from  Wales. Just come out of a 2 year relationship with a lovely Ukrainian girl, she has a very good job in Israel and now really likes the country and would  prefer  to stay there rather than take a big chance on coming to wet Wales. 

This is unfortunate but interesting. Was she always in Israel? Did she ever express that she wanted to go to Wales? Did she always have the good job there? Could have been an uphill battle from the start.

[BC]

Hi Allan!
Just curious, how did you meet this woman from Ukraine?  Did you live together?  In other words what type of 'relationship' was it, long distance?
If it worked the first time, why not take the same approach?
Or did you 'dodge a bullet' as zooble seems to infer?

[farmer.Al]

We met when she was living in Ukraine, when I met her in Kiev we "clicked" and wanted to see each other more.  But she explained that she had used all her savings and borrowed from everyone she could to pay an agent $6,000 to find her a good job in Israel. So we would have to meet in Israel the next time.

The agent had found her a very nice, wealthy, Israeli couple who needed a carer for the wife. 

I have been out to Israel 6 times to see her, we got engaged and talked every day on Skype about our plans for marriage, kids etc.

Unfortunately, she has started to like Israel more and more. The job is very good, they live in a very nice villa, she goes with them on very nice holidays. She also gets to save about $1,400 a month, so far she has bought an apartment for her brother and now wants to buy a house for her mother as her stepfather keeps threatening to throw her mother out of his house !   The Israeli family really like her and have told her she can have the job for as long as she wants it,  they increased her wages when she told them she was planning to get married.

She also gets a lot of attention from rich, widowed friends of the Israeli family including several marriage proposals.

To be honest I don't think she will anywhere else but Israel now, she really loves it there.

[BC]

I have been out to Israel 6 times to see her, we got engaged and talked every day on Skype about our plans for marriage, kids etc.

She also gets a lot of attention from rich, widowed friends of the Israeli family including several marriage proposals.

To be honest I don't think she will anywhere else but Israel now, she really loves it there.

but what about you.. would you be willing to move to Israel?  I assume not, but in the shouldn't love trump all?  (and I am starting to hate 'trump' with a capitol 'T') LOL

I dunno... but it seems many looking for FSUW seem to tend towards convenience instead. 

I guess some things are just not possible..  seems you had a 'catch' but the cost (not talking money) was too high.

[farmer.Al]

I don't think it would be possible for me to move to Israel, I think you have to be Jewish or marry an Israeli citizen. I  do like the place there though and admire what they have done and their family values.

Besides that, I  have farms in Wales

[GatoMoon]

I'd rather die than living in Israel !!  WTF

[cc3]

I'd rather die than living in Israel !!  WTF

Why?

[Gator]

WELCOME Welsh Farmer!

Is it better to contact a large number of potential partners at once,knowing that only a small % will be interested in you and actually compatible?  Or is it better to concentrate on small number who seem ideal from their profiles?

I suggest you develop a list of the 20-25 best candidates, express your interest to all of them, write to those  who take the bait, and then start talking.  Natural filters will find you 2-4 promising women worthy of a visit.  Then you go to the top of the highest hill on your farm, sit on a rock, drink a little whiskey, and focus on whether to visit one or all. 

It should be fun.  If not, something is wrong. 

[zooble]

We met when she was living in Ukraine, when I met her in Kiev we "clicked" and wanted to see each other more.  But she explained that she had used all her savings and borrowed from everyone she could to pay an agent $6,000 to find her a good job in Israel. So we would have to meet in Israel the next time.

The agent had found her a very nice, wealthy, Israeli couple who needed a carer for the wife. 

I have been out to Israel 6 times to see her, we got engaged and talked every day on Skype about our plans for marriage, kids etc.

Unfortunately, she has started to like Israel more and more. The job is very good, they live in a very nice villa, she goes with them on very nice holidays. She also gets to save about $1,400 a month, so far she has bought an apartment for her brother and now wants to buy a house for her mother as her stepfather keeps threatening to throw her mother out of his house !   The Israeli family really like her and have told her she can have the job for as long as she wants it,  they increased her wages when she told them she was planning to get married.

She also gets a lot of attention from rich, widowed friends of the Israeli family including several marriage proposals.

To be honest I don't think she will anywhere else but Israel now, she really loves it there.

If she didn't have the job there I think most people here would think the 6k is a scam on her 

If she is faithful I don't think the presence of "wealthy Israeli suitors" would suddenly make her unfaithful but it would give her options after the breakup. Though, it would be rather insulting to me if they knew you were in the picture and they proposed/hit on her. Or do you mean they have flooded in after they know you've now gone? The way you put it, it sounds like they are just trying to buy her with their wallets and there is no connection aside from the mutual relationship with her employers.

I would say the biggest issue is her job. It sounds like a dream job to her. Very good pay for Ukrainian, working holidays which are probably paid for, a job she can actually do and a good working environment (villa). If she moves to Wales she probably wouldn't get the same deal and most definitely not immediately on arrival. I don't know how easy it is for her to get Israeli citizenship but if that's a thing another issue is that Israeli citizens have a lot of visa free areas such as Europe. So with this job, she can achieve/attain everything a Western Man would have brought to the table... and she did it on her own - pretty rare. Given that it's not surprising she didn't try harder to keep you around (by moving to Wales).

Maybe a bit dark but I suppose how old the wife is would determine how long she can realistically work for. I mean if the wife dies soon of old age or some terminal illness there is no more job. However if she is say 50 and will live a long time then that is good for her but not so much for you. 

I think starting over again will be rough but I think a lot of people here do it so you're not alone 

PS: If you are not already I would definitely reduce contact significantly. You need to move on and she needs to understand what life will be like without you (and your calls/emails/etc) and whether she is willing to accept that now that it is a reality. Unless you're rich (to buy the apartments/holidays etc so she doesn't need that job) this is the only way I see it ever working again. Although the fact that you had a long distance thing going on would probably make it easier for her.

[GatoMoon]

Unless you're rich (to buy the apartments/holidays etc so she doesn't need that job)

If your wife is very rich, telling you that you don't need to work, would you do that?   I cannot imagine myself not working as I am very ambitious person

[BillyB]

Is it better to contact a large number of potential partners at once,knowing that only a small % will be interested in you and actually compatible?  Or is it better to concentrate on small number who seem ideal from their profiles?

Welcome to the forum farmer Al. I'd write as many women as possible. Writing a small number of ladies based on their profiles doesn't make sense. You want to win the lottery right? Buy many tickets and you'll have a greater chance in picking a winner. What profiles are ideal anyway? What woman is going to claim they're a bitch or gold digger? What people say in profiles mean little after you talk to them. I write women based on their photo. If their outer beauty looks good, I'm motivated to explore their inner beauty.

[jazztropy]

 I write women based on their photo. If their outer beauty looks good, I'm motivated to explore their inner beauty.

Interesting approach.  Pretty ballsy!

[BillyB]

Interesting approach.  Pretty ballsy!

Some may call it shallow but a photo in a profile is more accurate to the person than the description. Also if a man is not attracted to his woman and he has a hard time getting it up, he's doing himself and his woman no favors.