Natashaclub.com, russian-brides-club.com and fiance.com

[orlando]

hehe,  you are funny but you are right in a part.

The culture is very different here, if you come to Santiago you can see that the women of SA normally smoke (more than a men) and mostly they have bad habits, use percing and tatoo, (between 18-25) obviously not all, there are many exceptions, but also I have a weakness for foreign cultures.

I am 26 years and I am a widower 1.5 years ago, I lost my wife in an accident on his car after two years of married, she was "Colombian" (and i'm Chilean) you can see a picture attached here.

But now, i'm ready to start again, i won't lose more time, i won't be the grand-father of my kids

Now i'm looking for a miss of FSU with low profile. Several months ago i saw a pair of documentaries and the FSU girls have reputation of being much misses, feminine and very polite. I hope be able to find a miss and if she play the piano or other instrument much better, (to have something in common that is my passion, the classical music )

AND...

Maybe i have the same reason that all guys here that want to find the love at East of Europe

[Rvrwind]

About the age as you says i need you look under 25, but i don't know if a girl between 18-20 really want to marry because i see in many cases that some scam agencies pays to her to send letter to guys like us.

Orlando, I have some very nice & beautiful ladies in that age group that are very serious & if you check the desired age on their profiles you will find they are looking for a guy in your age range. We don't pay them, they pay us! Also we do not change their age ranges. Its thier choice & remains thier choice. Contrary to popular opinion most good & honest women from 18-25 do not target 50 year old men unless there is an ulterior motive. JMHO

[Jack]

My personal experience about the 4 of 5 scammer are in Bride.ru that i see recommended here many times, but she made the first contact in all cases.

Hey Orlando,

I'm pretty familiar with Bride.ru     Yes there are scammers here as there can be on all sites but from my personal and professional experience I might be able to see 1.7 out of 5.  And if I were to exclude all the ladies from Moscow that figure would probably drop to about 1.3 out of every 5. 

Just a different view and opinion.

[DizzyD]

Hi...

I met the lady i am corresponding with through Fiance.com... well thats a different story I didn't join to meet Russian ladies in general.. i joined to meet her specifically... however the only costs ever incured were for a basic membership... i sent her a letter of introduction, and included my personal email address and asked her if she would rather correspond that way... and we have been ever since..

DD

[Kuna]

Dizzy,

Out of interest how many contacts did you get coming in from ladies???  Oh and were most of them from Moldova?

I was getting 5 or 6 per day and 95% were from Moldova...  strange considering my profile said I was 5'0" 400lbs and the thing I liked most about women was the fact that they were much better at housework than men. I also said a lady who liked to mow lawns and wash cars would be a BIG BONUS for me because my health was not good.... still... those messages kept coming... must be those old fashioned values in FSU huh? 

[neo]

You've missed out on joining the ranks of the australian aristocracy there kuna, if you stuck with fiance.com you could have married princess diana:




"I the student of the fifth rate  State International Aviation University. My study for me this most important in my life. I wish to finish University with distinction. Then career and all world. I study six days in a week. I study from a dawn up to a decline. And only one day in a week when I have a rest. And this day for me the present holiday. I very much love horses. In the morning I leave on a hippodrome I take my horse and having put spurs to hem I depart as a lightning. We rush on a wood. And this huge happiness. To me to like to remain alone with my conscience and soul. There among huge and silent silence it is audible as sing birds and streams murmur. And the wind develops my hair. And the sun gently caress my white face. This all so excites and raises my heart. That can be more wonderful than walk with such attractive equestrian as my horse. I come back quiet and majestic. And evenings when in a hostel everyone go to sleep. I go down in a hall, I sit down a grand piano and I play. I play as the God! I enjoy each note. Still I like to read magazines about art, a fashion and the politician. I love ancient beautiful things. And certainly I adore to travel."


and shes only 20 by jove.

[Kuna]

Ahhhh neo,  why settle for a Princess when I found a Goddess???   

[ScottinCrimea]

Kuna,  If she hurries, Lena can get there in time to join the Goddess Association of Australia and attend the Australia Goddess Conference in October.  You can find all of the details here: http://www.goddessassociation.com.au


 

[DizzyD]

Dizzy,

Out of interest how many contacts did you get coming in from ladies???  Oh and were most of them from Moldova?

I was getting 5 or 6 per day and 95% were from Moldova...  strange considering my profile said I was 5'0" 400lbs and the thing I liked most about women was the fact that they were much better at housework than men. I also said a lady who liked to mow lawns and wash cars would be a BIG BONUS for me because my health was not good.... still... those messages kept coming... must be those old fashioned values in FSU huh? 

Hi Kuna

I will admit i was surprised to see how many contacts i got from ladies on Fiance.com, my profile was only there about 2 or 3 weeks and i received somewhere between 50 and 60 letters, i don't really remember the exact number that was in feb 2006... and i can't say that i remember noticing a high proportion from moldova,,, but there were at least a few... one of the ladies who contacted me and was from moldova was one of the Miss Wow's,, i remember looking up her stats and finding that she had been contacted by just under 1200 men....! I almost laughed out loud... 
why would she go looking for "more" contacts...Mmmmmm...? 1200 not enough to keep you busy...

So is that where you met your Lady...? if so i would like to hear more about the process from your perspective, and how it has turned out for you...

I know i have some questions about my friend which still nag my brain at times,,, :noidea: and if you would like to discuss specifics then PM me..

DD

[Kuna]

Dizzy,

My search started in late 2006 and my first trip was jan/feb 2007 as a part of my trip to retrace my European famiy history.

I joined Elena's Models but before doing so I wrote down EXACTLY what I was looking for in a partner.  Age, career, educational background, region, things I would and wouldn't accept.

I wrote to only 20 girls on EMs that met my criteria. I also found freepersonals.ru and selected 20 girls from there to write to.

I think you can still see my "search process" in the blogs here... and my first and second trips are documented in TR's.

I got down to 2 or 3 girls that I wanted to meet but it was difficult to disqualify some of the girls that seemed very nice - but didn't fit my original criteria.  I kept referring back to that piece of paper as a way to keep my head set straight on my shoulders.

When I travelled I met my favourite girl first and we spent a few days together in Kiev.  I knew as soon as we met that she was everything she represented herself to be in our correspondence, and by the second day I kew I wanted to spend MUCH more time with her.  A few days later she had to return home and I'd arranged to meet other girls during my trip.  I didn't bother with one because she was giving me the run-arund a bit (she knew I was meetng others and said if it didn't work out with the others before the end of my trip we should meet...) but I'd already booked some time in a nearby town to meet another girl I'd written to.

She was nice... but it wasn't like the time I spent with My Girl.

When I returned to Kiev My Girl had written to me saying she wanted to return to Kiev for my last few days in Ukraine - but I decided to fly down to spend at least a little time with her in Dnepr.  As it turned out I could only fly down on the Friday but we went for dinner and she took me to a few places of interest that afternoon. (Her family lives in Moscow). Did I meet any of her friends?  No, but she did take me to a store where a few friends work and withot me knowing they checked us out (she wanted their opinion I suppose).  ;-)

The next morning we were up early and heading back to Kiev for a few more days together and by the time I left we were taking about our next meeting.

There was no tak of love n my first trip.  We both were interested in each other but we have similar personalities in so far as we're not dreamers!

Things happened on my return and I decided I would travel back to meet her family and did so in May/June this year. The tie with erh family and friends during that trip was wonderful.  I could see many things I had imagined and I was completely confident in my decision.

We're now engaged and submitted her visa aplication in Moscow a week or so ago.  Now we're just waiting.

My Girl is spectacular and hope other men can be as fortunate as I've been.  Yes she's beautiful but she has such an effervecent personality and a sophisticated (yet fun) character that I respect above all else.

She's lived in Germany for a few years (studying and working) and found a very good job on her return to Ukraine. She's never asked for money... has always been very grateful when I send some for her travel to Moscow or like recently when she went to Prague for her Summer holidays. She shares her feelings and thoughts openly (though was a bit shy when we first met) and has very definite ideas about what our lives wil be like in Australia.

She also shows as much (if not more) appreciation for things I do that are not financial.  Example: last night was a HUGE annual event in my city (fireworks, jet fighters doing fly pasts with the afterburners going, etc) and there are always many parties and celebrations to go to.  I decided not to organise or go to a party this year so I could sit on my balcony and call her as the jets flew past and fireworks exploded within 100 metres of my apartment. I made a video of the view from the balcony and will post it to a web site just so we can share the night as much as possible... even though she's thousands of kilometres away.

Her reaction to this almost brought her to tears because she knows I think of her... and what I want for us... and while I could have been out at a party I just wanted to stay at home and share it with her in some way.

I would encourage all men on this search to focus on a woman's personality and character before you let looks influence you.  There are very many beautiful women in FSU but the key to a long term happy marriage will be our ability to find someone truly compatible with us.

I think that anyone that pushes the boundaries of "normality" is sure to be in for tough time.

Anyway... that's my story.  We will marry soon after her arrival and both want to start a family soon afte that.  She wants to work after we're married but has clearly said family is first for her.  Maybe she'll start her own business ... maybe she'll work for someone else... the main thing is that she has pently of interests and a loving and interesting life ahead of her.

B the way... her preference was and still is to live in Ukraine after marriage but she understands it's not practical. It's possible we'll end up living there at some point in the future but if nothing else we'll definitely be holidaying both with her family in Moscow and in Ukraine.

My search (and engagement) wasn't exactly how I planned but I have absolutely no doubt I have found the woman I will spend the rest of my life with.  Her family are wonderful. Her friends are very supportive.  My family think she is perfect for me (they are all in direct contact with each other now via email) and I can't wait for her to arrive.

Best of luck in your search,

Kuna

[DizzyD]

Thanks Kuna..

it sounds as if it is going well for you both, it is nice you two have connected on that level, and i hope it only grows deeper with time..

my situation is radically different... i have been communicating with my "friend" since Feb 2006 in an on and off sort of way... the one thing that has always caused me some concern is her lack of abilty to express her deeper more serious thougts to me in emails, as a matter of fact that was what brought our earlier communication to a close. I think she is hesitant to be open with me because we haven't met yet, and i can understand that, so we will probably be meeting in the next little while, and after that we will see what transpires..

this time we have been able to communicate better both via email and through MSN which i think makes her feel more comfortable because it is more like true dialogue.. however this issue with openness is still a thorn in my side to a degree, and not something i am willing to dismiss, so once we meet, that will be the acid test...
 
DD

[Kuna]

Thanks Kuna..

it sounds as if it is going well for you both, it is nice you two have connected on that level, and i hope it only grows deeper with time..

my situation is radically different... i have been communicating with my "friend" since Feb 2006 in an on and off sort of way... the one thing that has always caused me some concern is her lack of abilty to express her deeper more serious thougts to me in emails, as a matter of fact that was what brought our earlier communication to a close. I think she is hesitant to be open with me because we haven't met yet, and i can understand that, so we will probably be meeting in the next little while, and after that we will see what transpires..

this time we have been able to communicate better both via email and through MSN which i think makes her feel more comfortable because it is more like true dialogue.. however this issue with openness is still a thorn in my side to a degree, and not something i am willing to dismiss, so once we meet, that will be the acid test...
 
DD

Dizzy,

I wouldn't expect any serious girl to be ttoo open wth ehr emotions prior to meeting.  In fact when I first met My Girl I was bezotted... but being as pragmatic as I am I couldn't let myself show it.  Thankfully she has very much teh same personality so even though we were both playing it "relatively" cool... we both knew we wnted more.

I would encourge you to make your trip and meet your girl. When you meet though don't put too much weight in your previus communication because you can't avid adding some "fill" to the things you haven't yet understood about each other and the only thing that can provide surety is that time together.

Good luck... and I promise you that your first trip is something you'll treasure and remember for the rest of your life.

Kuna

[UnderDark]

I have also had an interesting time with Natasha Club. He is what I think is going on. Any woman can register there, or an agency can register a woman there. Maybe the agency gets a cut of the credits/money that is used. The crooked agencies will create fake letters, or have women write letters and even give them a cut.  A lot of the problems may be with the local agencies.  I think Natasha Club may also be a clearing house for a lot of profiles from downright scandalous agencies like Anastasiaweb, Hot Russian Brides and Army of Brides. I noticed the profiles and pictures of the women are exactly alike as these other agencies.

A couple of times, after extensive letters, I have asked for a phone number. Once I got a nice reply that I will get it eventually.  The second time, the phone number was hidden in the letter.  I think the local agency or in-between agency did this.  When someone protests, Natasha Club refunds the credits and maybe removes the woman's profile. Natasha Club knows this happens and realizes this is part of doing business. They aren't responsible, but they do not actively remove profiles from the more suspect agencies.

[Utilikel]

Hello everyone,  I am new here as this is my first post.  I just wanted to say I have been searching for months trying to find an "introduction" site I feel comfortable with - no luck until now.  RVRWIND! I am very impressed with yours!  I am planning a trip with in the next 6 months.  I believe I will be contacting you soon once I get more of the details worked out. 
 
Thank you all!

[Hammer2722]

I am very familiar with Natashaclub.com it is another pay per letter agency exactly like Anastasiadate. In fact, you look at the girls you will see many of the same girls that are listed with Anastasia also listed On Natashaclub. Pretty much explains it all doesn't it?

[aymoon]

Hi guys ....
i saw this fantastic topic yesterday so i decided to register and share with you my experiences ...
firstly I've free membership on fiance.com I didn't upgrade my account yet because I still not sure If girls are real or not !!!
so I tried to search for any information about this issue through writing  (fiance scam) on google engine then I found this site in results
although this topic is very old but I think there are new changes with fiance site ...
so my question ,, Is there new news with this site ?? such as new experiments of marriage from fiance.com or if there are good websites not scam and all thing alright  ... etc .
waiting for your reply because i interested in marriage from ukraine and russia girls .
best wishes .....

[BillyB]

I think there are new changes with fiance site ...
so my question ,, Is there new news with this site ?? such as new experiments of marriage from fiance.com or if there are good websites not scam and all thing alright  ... etc .
waiting for your reply because i interested in marriage from ukraine and russia girls .
best wishes .....

Welcome to the forum aymoon. Most agencies are run by owners based out of Europe and America. Although the owners change, the business models may stay the same. One problem in this industry is that big companies use small feeder agencies located in various cities in the FSU for ladies they can post on their sites. These small agencies are owned by other owners who may have motivations to separate you from your money. Check out the Starting Section on this forum and there is a thread near the top that gives recommended agencies to use.

[2tallbill]

Hi guys ....
i saw this fantastic topic yesterday so i decided to register and share with you my experiences ...
firstly I've free membership on fiance.com I didn't upgrade my account yet because I still not sure If girls are real or not !!!

The first thing you do is to see if the agency is a pay by the letter or pay by the minute
to chat agency. If it is, dump the agency. If it's not then you might give it a try. As for
telling if the girls are real, the best way is to talk to them on the phone and on Skype.
Scammer girls don't have time to talk to a man on Skype or the phone because scamming
is a numbers game and they need to literally contact hundreds of men to get a few
who are willing to part with their money.

I tried to search for any information about this issue through writing  (fiance scam) on google engine then I found this site in results
although this topic is very old but I think there are new changes with fiance site ...
so my question ,, Is there new news with this site ?? such as new experiments of marriage from fiance.com or if there are good websites not scam and all thing alright  ... etc .
waiting for your reply because i interested in marriage from ukraine and russia girls .
best wishes .....

Googling the site isn't a bad idea after you've determined that they are not a pay
by the letter or chat agency. However, much of the information on sites online is
pretty dubious. One guy meets a girl and she wouldn't agree to marry him after
meeting for 2 days, so he decides the site and the girl are scammers and posts it
all over the internet. On the other side sites set up fake sites telling others that they
are good agencies and free of scammers.

Therefore use my criteria for agencies and girls and you will sort it out quickly enough.

Udachi!

Bill

[aymoon]

The first thing you do is to see if the agency is a pay by the letter or pay by the minute
to chat agency. If it is, dump the agency. If it's not then you might give it a try. As for
telling if the girls are real, the best way is to talk to them on the phone and on Skype.
Scammer girls don't have time to talk to a man on Skype or the phone because scamming
is a numbers game and they need to literally contact hundreds of men to get a few
who are willing to part with their money.

Googling the site isn't a bad idea after you've determined that they are not a pay
by the letter or chat agency. However, much of the information on sites online is
pretty dubious. One guy meets a girl and she would agree to marry him after meeting
for 2 days and he decides the site and the girl are scammers. On the other side sites
set up fake sites telling others that they are good agencies and free of scammers.

Therefore use my criteria for agencies and girls and you will sort it out quickly enough.

Udachi!

Bill

see for fiance.com ... cost of paid member is 29$ in month and all thing about girls are available like her email , her phone number , her address and you can send and receive an unlimited messages to any girl without credits for every message has been read not like anastasia site that depend on credits for every message in addition to you can chat directly with girls through the website by invite chat option without any editing or Censorship from moderator not like what happen with anastasia site too or another
I receive a lot of invitation to directly chat from ladies daily when I've open my member but I can't reply on them because am not premium membership
am confused because I can't certain if agency hold agreement with those ladies or not

until now .. no one told us if this site is legit or scam by limit percentage

[Anotherkiwi]

  aymoon!

I can only speak for myself, but I had only good experiences with fiancé.com.  I had no trouble getting contact information, and even travelled to Russia to meet one woman from the site.  Although we soon decided that there was no chance of a continuing romantic relationship, that was hardly the fault of the website - we were just too different, and her English wasn't as good as it had originally seemed on the phone and in Skype calls.

I still look at the site occasionally, just to see what new ladies have been added.  One thing that is very different from Anastasiadate, for example, is that there are many women on the site who are not models aged 19-24!  There is what I imagine to be a very fair cross-section of society in general, although the proportion now is vastly more Ukrainian than when I first travelled.

[2tallbill]

I receive a lot of invitation to directly chat from ladies daily when I've open my member but I can't reply on them because am not premium membership
am confused because I can't certain if agency hold agreement with those ladies or not

until now .. no one told us if this site is legit or scam by limit percentage

There are no guarantees in life and especially not with love. What you say seems legit,
so why not become a premium member and see what you think of the girls.

Don't worry too much about scams. They can't scam you unless you give them your
money. Never accuse a girl of being a scammer. If you are wrong a good girl will dump
you on the spot and if you are right then you are teaching a scammer how to be better
next time.

Udachi!

Bill

[GatoMoon]

Never accuse a girl of being a scammer. If you are wrong a good girl will dump
you on the spot and if you are right then you are teaching a scammer how to be better
next time.

Udachi!



Bill

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