PUA stuff to use abroad in certain situations in the FSU

[Trenchcoat]

So seeing a few posts on here where guys have the idea of of picking up woman on the fly I thought it would be a good idea to see what members that are more experienced in this field would use to see if you can assist us a bit. I know myself I brought this up back in August after my trip to Odessa/Nikolaev that it would be useful to have a few ideas to go with in certain scenarios and some of you guys were good enough to think of some ideas with the 'lady having her photo taken in the park' scenario. Here are other typical scenarios where I think openers could be useful in the FSU:

Pretty Receptionist on the desk at the Hotel

Attractive Waitress serving at a scenic Restaurant

Dressed up lady walking down the street

See if you can think up some decent openers, ones that are down to earth, not too extrovert acting type stuff (not going for an Oscar here!). Stuff where like before will lead on to more than a general enquiry where you actually get on the level of getting to know the girl on a personal level

[alex330]

Never read any of the PUA stuff to be honest. Find it a bit douchy and I believe women can read us better than we like to admit.  At least those I am interested in. I suppose there are a few skills they teach that work.

How about a nice smile and " Hi, I am visiting your beautiful city and was wondering what you would suggest (for fun/to do this weekend/to see around here/for a goofy tourist like me/insert anything here)"

[BillyB]

So seeing a few posts on here where guys have the idea of of picking up woman on the fly I thought it would be a good idea to see what members that are more experienced in this field would use to see if you can assist us a bit.

I only pick up women on the fly as a backup plan. With the invention of telephone and internet, why not scope out the women and build a friendship with them using technology instead of showing up as a stranger. Most girls you meet on the street will not want to relocate but they will date you. You can meet women nearly anywhere. Keep your eyes open and don't be shy. If you're confident when talking to them, they'll be flattered. If you seem nervous, they may think you're a weirdo.

[CaptB]

As Billy said. If you just want to date.....meeting on the street......bars......grocery stores.....libraries.....etc......are fine. If you are looking for someone as a partner.....to relocate.......then you need to "focus" on places or services with FSU/W that are willing (have stated) to relocate. Dates are easy.....I had a blast on my first visit to Russia. Dates were "too" easy. Easy enough to get "sidetracked".......and lose your focus.


Capt B

[Trenchcoat]

Never read any of the PUA stuff to be honest. Find it a bit douchy and I believe women can read us better than we like to admit.  At least those I am interested in. I suppose there are a few skills they teach that work.

How about a nice smile and " Hi, I am visiting your beautiful city and was wondering what you would suggest (for fun/to do this weekend/to see around here/for a goofy tourist like me/insert anything here)"

Nah, I tried the ask where something is kind of thing, opens up a bit but doesn't really help to get to that personal level. After they've told you where something is you're kind of done. Possibly asking what there is to do in general may give more leeway so maybe I'll try that in future. Also found that you need to be in quite a touristy place. In Nikolaev the hotel had no info on the sights to see, lol. 

[Trenchcoat]

As Billy said. If you just want to date.....meeting on the street......bars......grocery stores.....libraries.....etc......are fine. If you are looking for someone as a partner.....to relocate.......then you need to "focus" on places or services with FSU/W that are willing (have stated) to relocate. Dates are easy.....I had a blast on my first visit to Russia. Dates were "too" easy. Easy enough to get "sidetracked".......and lose your focus.


Capt B

Thanks for the advice and you BillyB also. I see what you mean, I guess its not bad for me since I am by no means a natural on the pick up stuff, in fact pretty poor on that front. So handy I guess that it not probably a strategy that is likely to bear fruit. Still was kind of thinking of it as a fall back strategy, something off hand if the opportunity arises so if I get the impression a girl is interested than I have something to go with instead of racking my blank brain. I often find there are nice girls serving in restaurants or hotel receptions. Not saying I'll hit on them just for being nice though just if there seems to be particular interest on there part. I guessing I'm thinking that perhaps a girl may like me so much to consider the move if I got to know her if an opportunity on the pick up front naturally arose rather than me looking around for it.

[Patagonie]

So seeing a few posts on here where guys have the idea of of picking up woman on the fly I thought it would be a good idea to see what members that are more experienced in this field would use to see if you can assist us a bit. I know myself I brought this up back in August after my trip to Odessa/Nikolaev that it would be useful to have a few ideas to go with in certain scenarios and some of you guys were good enough to think of some ideas with the 'lady having her photo taken in the park' scenario. Here are other typical scenarios where I think openers could be useful in the FSU:

Pretty Receptionist on the desk at the Hotel

Attractive Waitress serving at a scenic Restaurant

Dressed up lady walking down the street

See if you can think up some decent openers, ones that are down to earth, not too extrovert acting type stuff (not going for an Oscar here!). Stuff where like before will lead on to more than a general enquiry where you actually get on the level of getting to know the girl on a personal level

the best thing you can do for yourself is to find any occasion to talk to strangers.
By this i mean to every possible stranger in FSU, it could be a man, a woman, young or old.

If you are not really easy on socials you are not going to be comfortable when it will be time to talk to a 9.
As sport you you have to start by the 5 km before the marathon.
So find any occasion to develop your skills.

[Patagonie]

Pretty Receptionist on the desk at the Hotel

With this one the chances are maximum that this one speaks english. So the openers are easy, aks her everything about the city, everything that interesting to visit.
And start to ask personal questions, have you been there?
And after would you come with me to visit ....
If she don't ask you an personal questions, is reluctant to propose an appointment try to find an other one.Receptionists are the easiest to open, you just need to switch her in the private field

[Patagonie]

Attractive Waitress serving at a scenic Restaurant

It was the duty of the receptionnist to talk to you and help you,
but that not the job of the waitress to spend  her time to talk to a foreigner.
She has a boss and you have to respect this.
But it the boss is not there... she will be more comfortable.
Anyway the key here is does she speak english?
If not at all next.
If she speaks a correct english try to find something, a place to go, to invite her and get her phone number.
After meet her outside her work.

Last thing tip her enough generously everytime, of course!

[Patagonie]

Dressed up lady walking down the street

This one is the most difficult, and normally not for beginners.
We name it street pickup.

YOu have 95% of chance that she don't speak english or don't want to let you know.
But, except if you are absolutely fluent in russian, you do have to speak english even if you
can make sentences in russian. That's a question of status.
The body language is decisive during the first three seconds.
you have to come upfront and not from behind and stop her with your hand.
As that's quite intrusive, you have to release by taking a foot back and start by your opener.
Your opener is whatever you want, you can search a street, a restaurant, a bar or any interesting questions that she can answer, nothing weird like a lot of pua stuff, because your in FSU and not in LA or Paris.
YOu have to lead the conversation and assess her interest. If she don't leave you after the first twenty seconds it could mean that she is "letting you do the job to see what's up".
DUring all this time your shoulders should be showing that your body is about to evade and run from her.
You can also move back and forth slightly depending the supposed interest she can give you. It's named body rocking. You close your shoulders towards her from time to time as she becomes more comfortable.

Of course you understand that's not easy. But you don't have any risk. A lot will pass through and leave you in the first three seconds. And for the others, enjoy. I am pretty sure that if you repeat this every two minutes with a girl you like and after one houre you can have a phone number or have a drink with a woman.

However the problem of a lot those pickups is that doesn't mean that women are candidates to live abroad even if they are ready to have an affair

[alex330]

Nah, I tried the ask where something is kind of thing, opens up a bit but doesn't really help to get to that personal level. After they've told you where something is you're kind of done.

It's the same thing that Pat says in his three posts. It is only an opener and you then need to keep your foot in the door.

In marketing and copywriting there are persuasive techniques you use to sell. It translates over easily imo. You tell funny story or share an experience, provide social proof, slight self denigration, repetition, call to action, show benefit, scarcity, DTR, repeat her name, etc

The last scenario I agree with Pat is more difficult.

[HoundDaddyLee]

the best thing you can do for yourself is to find any occasion to talk to strangers.
By this i mean to every possible stranger in FSU, it could be a man, a woman, young or old.

If you are not really easy on socials you are not going to be comfortable when it will be time to talk to a 9.
As sport you you have to start by the 5 km before the marathon.
So find any occasion to develop your skills.

Good advice Pat. I will add he needs to be comfortable doing this in his own country first. My girl is amazed at how I can talk to anyone, anywhere and be completely comfortable. It just comes naturally to me at this point in my life. I can remember when I was shy (teens and early 20's). I just learned that people are people and most will enjoy talking. I spend a lot of time in airports and on airplanes. My life would be very miserable if I just sat alone and didn't get to know people.


Just my 2 cents,
HDL

[Patagonie]

It's the same thing that Pat says in his three posts. It is only an opener and you then need to keep your foot in the door.

In marketing and copywriting there are persuasive techniques you use to sell. It translates over easily imo. You tell funny story or share an experience, provide social proof, slight self denigration, repetition, call to action, show benefit, scarcity, DTR, repeat her name, etc

The last scenario I agree with Pat is more difficult.

PUA have learnt from everyone, NPL included.
So some sales techniques have been also approached.
Like : would you prefer to come with me with the yellow Jag or the black Merco?

And as you noticed, the opener is just an opener, you still have the rest to do. That's 1% of the stuff, like you said it opens the door, but it could be shut anytime.

[Patagonie]

Good advice Pat. I will add he needs to be comfortable doing this in his own country first. My girl is amazed at how I can talk to anyone, anywhere and be completely comfortable. It just comes naturally to me at this point in my life. I can remember when I was shy (teens and early 20's). I just learned that people are people and most will enjoy talking. I spend a lot of time in airports and on airplanes. My life would be very miserable if I just sat alone and didn't get to know people.


Just my 2 cents,
HDL

Yes HDL he needs to start in his country. Any moment are good enough to practive and lower the social fear.

Today i was with a buddy at the restaurant and i started to talk with the waitress. Just start story about chocolate, sweeties, milshake telecommunicating about love. It's just like an habit, a game, a way to have fun. They like it. And you can rebound quite easily and get a phone number (that was not my intention because i am married).

[BillyB]

I just learned that people are people and most will enjoy talking. I spend a lot of time in airports and on airplanes. My life would be very miserable if I just sat alone and didn't get to know people.

Sometimes when I'm at the airport or somewhere else in public, I will choose to sit next to the prettiest girl and have a conversation with her. A couple of months ago I had a conversation with a woman in a restaurant. My friend, who knows I'm married, said "She's into you. You should've asked for her number." I know I could've gotten the number. For guys who are shy, they need the most practice to get over their shyness.

[ML]

Not related to PUA, but I am a talker also, and choose women mostly . . .

Last week I went to an event honoring one of my friends who had given a good sum of money to the university.  It was during day and Ochka was teaching.

I usually sit near the front at any events.  A decent looking 50ish woman was sitting in first seat in second row; I asked her if anyone was sitting next to her.  She said: "Please sit; no one wants to sit next to me."

We had very nice conversation for about 10 minutes until events started.  Then I told her my name and she told hers.  Turned out she was wife of recently arrived new Dean who is head of college containing department where Ochka teaches.

Probably won't help Ochka much as Dean and his wife are aware that everyone in the college are extra nice to them and everyone wants a favor, but still can't hurt.

[Trenchcoat]

Attractive Waitress serving at a scenic Restaurant

It was the duty of the receptionnist to talk to you and help you,
but that not the job of the waitress to spend  her time to talk to a foreigner.
She has a boss and you have to respect this.
But it the boss is not there... she will be more comfortable.
Anyway the key here is does she speak english?
If not at all next.
If she speaks a correct english try to find something, a place to go, to invite her and get her phone number.
After meet her outside her work.

Last thing tip her enough generously everytime, of course!

Yep, asking her about a place to go or somewhere interesting would work well here I think as well (I'm so dumbfounded when it comes to thinking of stuff at the time). Then I guess think up some sort of reason as to need a companion of sorts - would easily get lost, need someone to interpret Russian, or perhaps just in need of someone who knows about it or to be with someone. Thinking perhaps just hang it out there and see if she bites rather than asking her straight and if not then ask her straight if no negative vibes being picked up upon. Would just do this with girl where there seemed some sort of interest in the first place of course. Thanks, Patagonie some idea from someone who is more better on this stuff and how they would go about it is good so I know better how I might proceed.

I have tipped a waitress at the first hotel I stayed in Odessa, it seemed to go down well when I saw her a bit later but was waiting for my taxi for onward journey at the time. Never quite sure what is deemed as generous in the UKraine though for tipping and what is ludicrous as their currency is in the toilet so what might be a fair bit for them is little to me or is what is little to me little also for them, lol.

[BillyB]

I have tipped a waitress at the first hotel I stayed in Odessa, it seemed to go down well when I saw her a bit later but was waiting for my taxi for onward journey at the time. Never quite sure what is deemed as generous in the UKraine though for tipping and what is ludicrous as their currency is in the toilet so what might be a fair bit for them is little to me or is what is little to me little also for them, lol.

Tip good but not ridiculous. 20% max to waitresses if you like her and want to hook up to her. I know ladies that work in service industries and some guy buys a $5 drink and tips $20. The ladies like the money but question the wisdom of the man and knows he tips stupid like that to all pretty waitresses. If a waitress likes me and I tip $1 for a $5 drink and a man she doesn't like tips $20, who do you think she's going to give her phone number to? Unless she's a  gold digger, she's going to give her phone number to me.

[Trenchcoat]

Tip good but not ridiculous. 20% max to waitresses if you like her and want to hook up to her. I know ladies that work in service industries and some guy buys a $5 drink and tips $20. The ladies like the money but question the wisdom of the man and knows he tips stupid like that to all pretty waitresses. If a waitress likes me and I tip $1 for a $5 drink and a man she doesn't like tips $20, who do you think she's going to give her phone number to? Unless she's a  gold digger, she's going to give her phone number to me.

Wise words, Billy B, thank you. Yeah doing a percentage sounds a good idea as it would be related to stuff you buy (also work done). So 20 percent sounds a good figure, 10 percent perhaps too low and averagy (some might even take a lowish tip almost as an insult I've always thought) so a good 20 percent probably about right. As you rightly say giving a top heavy tip could be counterproductive and make you look weak/foolish. As I've heard that being too generous can be a bad thing with FSU women. I'll follow this advice in future with the waitress girls I like

[Chicagoguy]

About 10 years ago a business associate/competitor married a woman he met by chance at "NIGHT FLIGHT" nightclub in Moscow. As I understand it was by chance. I never met her as she never came with him to out annual trade show.