Where the women are

[Grumpy]

 Globally, the number of males has exceeded the number of females since the mid-1960s. But by 2050, the worldwide sex ratio is expected to even out, according to recently released population projections from the United Nations.

As of 2021, there were about 44 million more males than females in the global population. But that difference is expected to disappear as a result of several different demographic trends.

In many former Soviet Union republics, the reverse is true. The former USSR has been predominantly female since at least World War II, when millions of men died in battle. For example, in the territory that is now Russia, there were just 77 males per 100 females in 1950. That number rose steadily in subsequent decades, climbing to 88 by 1995 before starting to decline again. Several other countries from the former Soviet Union have seen similar patterns, and in 2021, they accounted for six of the 10 nations with the highest ratio of females to males.

Even within the same country, sex ratios can differ widely by age. For example, Armenia is the most heavily skewed country toward females (82 males per 100 females), but there are still more newborn boys than girls. In fact, for every 100 girls born in Armenia, 110 are boys – the world’s sixth starkest sex ratio at birth in favor of boys.

Other places with overall sex ratios that skew heavily female include Guadeloupe, Martinique, Hong Kong and the U.S. Virgin Islands.

The United States has had more females than males since 1946, according to the U.S. Census Bureau. In 2021, the population sex ratio in the U.S. was 98 males per 100 females. By 2050, it is expected to be 99.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/08/31/global-population-skews-male-but-un-projects-parity-between-sexes-by-2050/

[ML]

But a word of caution when reading statistics about ratios of men - women.

Last I checked, there were more men than women in Russia and Ukraine up to somewhere in the 30s age bracket .

Then it starts to change to more women than men, and more dramatically as you look up through ages 40, 50, 60 etc.

So the rule is:  Look at your target age group if you want any valid indication of where there are more women than men.

And, when you hear 20 and 30 aged FSU women say there is a shortage of men at home . . . it actually is not true.

(But it might become true as the war rages on.)

Those women simply want something the home boys cannot give them.
Biggest factor is economics.

[Grumpy]

 I am finding that in my "old age"  I no longer have much patience for women under 40. Thankfully the pool of older ones is increasing.

[Trenchcoat]

But a word of caution when reading statistics about ratios of men - women.

Last I checked, there were more men than women in Russia and Ukraine up to somewhere in the 30s age bracket .

Then it starts to change to more women than men, and more dramatically as you look up through ages 40, 50, 60 etc.

So the rule is:  Look at your target age group if you want any valid indication of where there are more women than men.

And, when you hear 20 and 30 aged FSU women say there is a shortage of men at home . . . it actually is not true.

(But it might become true as the war rages on.)

Those women simply want something the home boys cannot give them.
Biggest factor is economics.

Absolutely true ML, you've hit the nail bang on the head here. A lot of marriage agencies, MOB, dating sites, etc have spun the line about there being more men than women but there really twisting the reality somewhat. Most of the women there and what most guys are interested in are in their twenties & thirties and as you rightly say for that age group the men if anything slightly outnumber the women.

Other factors come into play as 2tallbill explained well a couple of years ago, i.e more guys may be in prison, in the army, on drugs, stuck at work & no social time to meet women, or unemployment and hence too undesirable, etc.

Like you say the current war might make the less men than women marketing of the MOB industry come true. At the moment it might be more likely for Ukraine as they have a smaller population than Russia. I reckon it would probably take Ukraine losing about 100,000 men before it would start to become noticeable. At the moment I don't notice much difference on dating sites of extra women. However of course some women have gone to the west who are single as refugees and are dating guys there, so that may counteract it somewhat. In theory that should mean women in places like Poland are displaced by Ukrainian women potentially. I think there may be a possible uplift in Polish women on sites like Fdate (though I struggle to recall from when I visited Krakow a few years ago) though they tend to be the not so good looking girls which would figure out I guess. Polish women can no longer come to the UK if they weren't in the UK and applied before we left the EU so their may be some women to date there.

Like you say though ML many of the pretty girls dating Internationally want a guy who is wealthier than the options back home (probably not difficult). The less pretty ones likely get treated to roughly by the guys back home if they even get dates at all and want pension plans. Again they too probably don't like the very poor choice they have locally if they see it as any choice at all.

We'll probably just have to see how the situation affects it all long term out there. My guess is that immediately though it is likely to be the economy being screwed in both Russia and Ukraine that will be the greatest factor in western men getting it on out there.

I recall back in 2019 when in Kyiv it was looking more prosperous out there and guts on this forum saying that they weren't seeing any older men with much younger women out there anymore (in Kyiv). I think at the time both countries were becoming prosperous enough for that not to be the case at least in the capital cities. Now though with first the virus then the war it looks like both countries will really be plunged back into economically poor times for quite some time to come again. That potentially gives western guys the advantage again.

Mind you that said here in Europe we apparently could be suffering a bit this winter from high energy prices, shortages of energy and high inflation. Apparently job losses may be on the horizon so we'll just have to see how the economy holds up here, if it holds up that is.

[John Gaunt]

Trench, on your low income you are going to get rodgered by the cost of energy.
Best put all your plans on hold, (not that they would succeed anyway) and get some extra work stacking shelves or similar.

[Steven1971]

It is said with property you can have any 2 combinations of location, price or size but not all three.

Trench wants a 7/10 lady without kids who will be happy to live off £1000 before rent, food and bills. I think it's a stretch to achieve all 3.

[Trenchcoat]

Trench, on your low income you are going to get rodgered by the cost of energy.
Best put all your plans on hold, (not that they would succeed anyway) and get some extra work stacking shelves or similar.

Lol, you're pretty funny Gaunty

Nah it's ok, I'm on the meter so if I don't have the money to top up I'll go without and go back to basics; candles, stove & cold baths

[Trenchcoat]

It is said with property you can have any 2 combinations of location, price or size but not all three.

Trench wants a 7/10 lady without kids who will be happy to live off £1000 before rent, food and bills. I think it's a stretch to achieve all 3.

Not in the FSU, most guys out there even taking the black economy into account only bring in around £/$500 at best. So I'll be on double that to start with, sure I won't get stuff quite as cheap as locals but that will come. With a FSW on board I can get her to front to get cheaper rent, shop in the best value for money for food, etc. I won't let on how much I bring in, this is the FSU, all I need to do is show her I can afford a certain standard of living - out there.

In Chișinău there's a guy on YouTube who got an apartment near the city centre for approx. $26 a night. Ok it was bland and of bog standard size by our comparison but over there even that probably wasn't bad. Now think that is at tourist rates and pretty cheap, so what if on a longer term deal, etc can get you. Moldova is the most poorest country in Europe. Ukraine was the next poorest but may now be becoming the poorest with all that is happening. So it's going to be poor times out in those regions again so a guy going in with £1k a month is going to to be a pretty wealthy guy by most Moldovan and Ukrainian standards

Location, Price and Size are absolutes when you state the 2 out of 3 rule for most people. However, a place that is reasonable in all three or some mix that suits I would argue is achievable and still be a satisfactory choice.

[LAman]

In Chișinău there's a guy on YouTube who got an apartment near the city centre for approx. $26 a night. Ok it was bland and of bog standard size by our comparison but over there even that probably wasn't bad. Now think that is at tourist rates and pretty cheap, so what if on a longer term deal, etc can get you. Moldova is the most poorest country in Europe. Ukraine was the next poorest but may now be becoming the poorest with all that is happening. So it's going to be poor times out in those regions again so a guy going in with £1k a month is going to to be a pretty wealthy guy by most Moldovan and Ukrainian standards

The trouble with your thinking is you are throwing out statistics, which are useless. With your vast attributes( chuckle, chuckle), you would need clear of 2K pounds a month to even get a normal looking girl to look in your direction. There is always someone in this world for everyone, even you trench, but she is probable in here late 50's @ 170kg . If that doesn't suit you, then you'll be a bachelor for life.... or stay with your blow-up gal!! )))

[Steven1971]

I would caution against confirmation bias.

You don't have the language level to communicate fully with every girl, (ditto), so the dating pool is smaller. Of the girls who speak good English X amount will want more than your budget.

For your mission to succeed you need to think through where the obstacles are going to be. There might be someone for you this time, but finding her in 6 weeks, well I have always admired your optimism and ability to shrug off disappointments.

As Churchill said KBO

[Trenchcoat]

I would caution against confirmation bias.

You don't have the language level to communicate fully with every girl, (ditto), so the dating pool is smaller. Of the girls who speak good English X amount will want more than your budget.

For your mission to succeed you need to think through where the obstacles are going to be. There might be someone for you this time, but finding her in 6 weeks, well I have always admired your optimism and ability to shrug off disappointments.

As Churchill said KBO

You could be right Steven, possibly there may be obstacles I haven't thought of but having not thought of them probably means either I have underestimated a problem or its not that easy to consider. I think I will press on and see what get thrown up if anything along the way as you say KBO