Question for Michelangelo

[Albert]

Mike, I am trying to keep things straight in my mind and am a little confused.  I followed your thread about 'moving to Ukraine' and you spending time with your current gal traveling around Crimea, etc.  No talk of Fiancee visa, etc.

Then someone called into question where you really were physically because they determined your posts were from Virginia.  You replied you really were in Ukraine but that you sent SMSs to a friend here in USA who posted here for you.

Then you suddenly post you have actually been in USA for several months and the gal is with you.

Not that its anybody's business, but I am a little confused about how you got her here without K-1 . . . . why the deception about where you really were . . . . why no discussion of the K-1 process, etc., etc.??

I probably missed some posts of yours where you explained all of this.  Please point out to me where they are.

[catzenmouse]

Albert,

 I find it interesting (being the "I've been with 100+ women guy that you are) that you would care what Mike was doing... but I will give you (and those others who are so inclined to be interested) a tidbit of info here. They are able to travel, they have several places that the can stay in the U.S. and elsewhere, and they have personal reasons to not share how they are doing what they are doing and when they are doing with the general public.

 Is that enough to satisfy your curiosity?

Ken

[Michelangelo]

Thanks, Ken...

michelangelo

[Albert]

Albert,

 I find it interesting (being the "I've been with 100+ women guy that you are) that you would care what Mike was doing... but I will give you (and those others who are so inclined to be interested) a tidbit of info here. They are able to travel, they have several places that the can stay in the U.S. and elsewhere, and they have personal reasons to not share how they are doing what they are doing and when they are doing with the general public.

 Is that enough to satisfy your curiosity?

Ken

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We on this board are not 'the general public.'  Quite frequently on these boards someone will post a question about 'what happened to so and so.'

When those questions are asked about others, no one replies with a post such as yours criticizing the questioner's personal situation which had nothing to do with the question, and criticizing the asking of the question itself.

[BC]

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We on this board are not 'the general public.'  Quite frequently on these boards someone will post a question about 'what happened to so and so.'

When those questions are asked about others, no one replies with a post such as yours criticizing the questioner's personal situation which had nothing to do with the question, and criticizing the asking of the question itself.

Albert,

Actually this board is quite open to the general public. Don't have to be a member to view forum contents.

Starting a new topic as you did with accusatory overtones, quite frankly deserved the response you received..

[Albert]

Albert,

Actually this board is quite open to the general public. Don't have to be a member to view forum contents.

Starting a new topic as you did with accusatory overtones, quite frankly deserved the response you received..

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There was nothing accusatory about my post . . . . I was only expressing confusion.  Your response is similar to Ken's and is unlike responses that others post to questions asking 'what happened to so and so.'

So the mystry deepens.  Or is is just that people are looking for any possible chance to jump on me?

[BC]

So the mystry deepens.  Or is is just that people are looking for any possible chance to jump on me?

Oh.. I think it's just a simple case of 'curiosity killed the cat' LOL

Lets move on..

[Mamma D]

Sometimes it is better to wait for someone to share....rather than pushing the subject.

This appears to be one of those times...

Mamma D

[Albert]

On Sept 7, 2006 Son of Clyde started a thread 'Where is Leslie.'

No one responded to him with comments like: "Why should a guy like you who has so little experience with various RW care about Leslie . . . .  This is a public forum and we shouldn't be asking these questions, etc."

[groovlstk]

I've met Michael and Vic in person, they're both quite genuine and they also happen to be wonderful people

[BC]

. . . . why the deception about where you really were . . . . why no discussion of the K-1 process, etc., etc.??

I don't remember anything like this in Clydes post.

[Albert]

 I find it interesting (being the "I've been with 100+ women guy that you are) that you would care what Mike was doing
 Is that enough to satisfy your curiosity?

Ken

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Ken, how specifically does the 100+ situation cause you to find my question interesting?  Would 50+ cause my question to be uninteresting?
Just what is the actual number that for you would cause the question to be interesting above that number and uninteresting below that number?

Would the question be more appropriate for you if it came from a newbie that had dated zero RW?  Could you explain how the number of RW that a person dates impacts on the right a person has to express 'care' about a fellow board member?

[KenC]

Geez guys (and Momma),
I hate to be forced into the position of being the "cool" head here, but Ken's reply was a bit harsh for the circumstances.  The man simply was trying to understand the confusion of Michealangelo's posts.  There was no need to bring up what you like or dislike about Albert.
KenC

[jb]

I'm confused about why anyone would care.

[Albert]

I'm confused about why anyone would care.

jb, did you ask this same question under the post about Leslie?

[jb]

nope, Leslie and I stay in touch by e-mail.  I didn't have to wonder how he's doing.

[Albert]

Quote from: SANDRO43 on September 25, 2006, 07:36:55 PM
Not the slightest shred of evidence of snow flurries, or even a single measly flake (or bat dropping, either, for that matter  ).

Confess, you're having us on ! You're comfortably seated in your den in Mc Lean, Virginia or thereabouts (as evidenced by your posting IP), pulling random photos from the Internet and telling us tall stories about Ukrainian caves, log cabins, rocky beaches, etc. I am now probably closer to Ukraine than you are .

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Mike replies:

Elementary, my dear Watson.

It's my practice to have a RWD friend who has my password make my posts when I'm in Ukraine because it's so expensive to access the internet from my mac notebook and cell phone in the black sea area.  We did hit an internet cafe in Yalta on two occasions, but after my $1000 data bill on my March trip, I 've backed off a bit. So it's much cheaper to jump online and shoot off an email to my RWD buddies to post, and then end the connection.

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On 25 Sept, Sandro questions where Mike really is in this world.  He suggests Mike is in Virginia based on his IP.  Mike tells later that this trip report is being complied after the fact, but he says nothing to Sandro that he actually is in USA and seems to imply to Sandro that he really is still in Ukraine at that time (25 Sept).

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On 17 October, Mike posts:

I'm been mostly off the board the last 4 or 5 months, attending to my girl and our relationship.

Many of you read my "Moving to Ukraine" trip report.  I left you hanging there.

But since I need something from you, it's time to come out and tell
the rest of the story...

A little over 2 months ago, Vik and I flew to the United States to start our life together here. We had been together all summer in Ukraine.

 15 Aug was the first day on her visa that we could enter the country, so we did.

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So the above indicates the source of my confusion.

Mike was in USA on 15 August.  Yet on 25 September when Sandro questions about whether he really is in Ukraine because his posting IP is in Virgina, Mike replies that when he is in Ukraine he sends messages to friends in USA who post for him.  Yet he was in USA all during September when he was posting his Ukraine trip report, so why did he need to say that he was sending messages from Ukraine to his friends in USA to post for him?

Of course it is none of my business.  But we all ask questions here of each other all the time that could be said are none of our business.

[Albert]

jb says:  "I'm confused about why anyone would care."


Albert says:  jb, did you ask this same question under the post about Leslie?

jb says:  nope, Leslie and I stay in touch by e-mail.  I didn't have to wonder how he's doing.

Albert says:  Now I'm confused.  You state you are confused about showing care, yet you do show care.

So are you now confused at yourself for showing care about Leslie?

[jb]

Leslie and I are sort of old pals, I stay in touch with friends.

Albert,

Have you NEVER been lied to before. It's his private business and he didn't see fit to share the intimate details of her travels with us, I don't have a problem with him keeping private things private.  Personally I don't care if he smuggled her across the Mexican border via a back fence. 

It looks to me like you are on a fishing trip here.

[Mamma D]

Question?........

Is this something we all want or need to know?

Would it be better to take it to privet mail?

[Leslie]

Albert,

Everyone who posts makes decisions about how much of their lives become public knowledge.

Sure you can ask any question you like but you cannot demand an answer or make insinuations from the absence of any reply...

I have always maintained that posting too much information (TMI) about your relationship on the WWW is a dangerous strategy.  If you need advice talk personally to your friends.

[Bruce]

This is one weird thread  .  From the little I know about Michael I know he happens to have the good fortune of being able to travel back and forth to Ukraine on business.  He often found time to mix some pleasure in as well.  He was at it quite a long time before he settled on his current girl.  From his posts I believe he picked a great girl for him.  Whether he posts about his travels from Ukraine, Virginia or Texas means little to me.  I am just glad that he posts and adds to the board considerably. I do not remember the details in his posts if she came here on a K-1 or a K-3.  I am not sure if they are married now but I believe they are.   Michael will share what he likes.  He happens to be quite open of a guy on this board, so if you PM him he'll probably share the gist of details he may not be posting if he chooses.  When a guy brings a girl on a K-1 or K-3 very often they do not want to share intimate details / personal information, especially initially because they do not often have the time and very often their fiance / wife etc. does not want those details shared  . 

[Albert]

I agree with you Bruce.  This is a weird thread.  Here we have a guy Mike who makes thousands of very interesting posts telling us many, many interesting details of his visits with various gals in various sites.

Just based on his past practices, one would have expected to read a blow by blow description of his K-1, or K-3 or whatever process.

But there is no such info.  Then suddenly he reports he and his gal are here.  This baffles me.  It is completely unlike any pattern that Mike has followed before.  I'm thinking . . . what?  There must be some new process that can be followed to get gals here.  So I'm curious and want to know.

Then he also posts (after she is here) that he is taking her on his business trips with him.  I don't think he specified where, but since he travels a lot overseas, I am thinking he is taking her there.  But I remember other guys posting about how it is difficult to get the gals out of the country and back in based on something called 'advanced parole' or some such.  So I'm thinking there must be some new procedure.  So I'm curious and want to know.

Then there is the bit about Mike telling Sandro he is in Ukraine when he is actually in the USA.  So I'm curious.

I'm also kept wondering why no one had asked Mike about any alternative to K-1 and K-3, etc., processes that he might have followed to get his gal here.  Usually we get a flood of questions about these sort of technical questions.  But this time zip, nada, zilch.  Nothing adds up to me.

So I asked the questions.  Perhaps my wording was not quite right and seemed offensive.  Sorry to Mike and others.

But now it really gets weird.  The attacks (smoke) I receive here make me think there is a fire.  People keep screaming why am I asking these questions, when others ask similar questions all the time.  Some say take it private when others discuss football and other topics here and no one says take it private.  It is really weird.  Apparently some others have the inside scoop on this situation and are trying to hose out the fire.

OK, I am not that curious if it is a state secret.  Maybe it's too dangerous to know too much.