FSUW vs. Latinas, experiences?

[plassey]

I have spent several hours reading various threads in the forum and have to commend everyone on the great level of openness and seriousness shown, this is quite refreshing after other message boards such as the LP Thorn Tree (and no, it's not a "troll"

Having said that, at the same time it gives me the impression of a small rural town where everybody knows everybody else and mostly agree, except for some family feuds. Well, allow me to give you my 2 cents on FSU women, as well as a point of comparison based on my experience with Latin girls.

For me, there is a general and unhealthy attraction to money when FSUW are concerned. Many years ago I flew from Mexico to Europe. I sat next to a UW (God I love that American obsession with acronyms and immediately had a fight with her (she asked me to guess her age, I responded 30 y/o - a mere 10 years off We calmed down and she told me she was flying back to Ukraine after having spent a month with her fiance in Mexico.

I was bored and felt bad for my initial faux-pas, so I offered her a Svarovski bracelet from the Duty Free. Six hours later we landed on a passionate kiss! Going through the airport Duty Free she tried to convince me to buy her a US$600 mobile phone (no way!). I delayed my return flight and we checked-in in the same hotel... and hotel room. We went to have dinner and my male pride was absolutely delighted in seeing the tongues of the other guys roll-off when seeing what arguably was a fine looking 20 y/o UW (please don't pretend you never fancied or had a trophy girlfriend).

The next day we parted, but not after she managed to extract some additional cash from me. Overall it was good fun but at the same time I couldn't get away from the bitter taste that everything in her life revolved around money - she didn't even want to climb onto a taxi that wasn't a Mercedes Benz!

Nevertheless, that experience opened my eyes to the charms of FSUW and I contacted a few on dating sites. I wasn't aware of scammers & co at the time and two girls managed to siphon a few hundred US$ from me before I got wiser. Reading online profiles I wonder if some girls don't confuse "financially secure" with "Gucci shopping in Milan this weekend"?

Closer to home, one of my best female friends, whom I met locally, is a RW. It was an absolute bloodshed to go out with her: she's clearly used to luxury tastes ranging from fancy sushi to expensive clubs. She hovers around like a demi-goddess because of her good looks, blonde hair and blue eyes - men actually stop in their tracks and stare when she walks in some areas of Mexico (even kids do Don't get me wrong, I do like her lots for her culture, sense of humour and the fact that basically we are both foreigners struggling to make a living here. But to some degree I feel weird with that tendency of FSUW to naturally orbit around where money is to be found.

Just to make sure that you don't think I'm over-generalizing, I had a very good online friend from Belarus who never even remotely hinted at financial topics and was totally the most unselfish girl I have ever known (bless her). Sadly, the retarded Mexican immigration officials (if you think that the US is bad, Mexico is probably worse) denied her tourist visa and she ended up marrying a German guy. I hope she's happy there.

Besides the "money-thing", FSUW have the defect common to most Europeans (except me , namely they are cold and distant compared to Latins. A Latina will promptly and totally smother you with attention, kisses, gifts, etc. A pleasant situation if you like the girl, otherwise a complete nightmare because of the "stickiness" that results from this. A Latina is devoted to her couple and family to a degree that I believe is almost unconceivable for FSUW. They embody the warmth of their native countries.

Colombian and Dominican women have nothing to envy to their FSU counterparts in terms of sheer beauty. I once had dinner in Medellin and counted three girls who did NOT look like drop-dead gorgeous models in the 2 hours it took me to finish my salad and (cold spaghettis! For their amounts of sexy curves, Latinas win a special prize!

When I read the homepages of some dating agencies I get the impression that they put FSUW on a pedestal. At the risk of stating the obvious, nice women can be found anywhere in the world (though less in the US, that much I agree with Latin America is becoming a magnet for serious American men looking for a bridge and for good reasons. At least in Cartagena you won't freeze up to death if you fall in the water in December (mind you, in St. Petersburg neither, it will be frozen anyway

Personally, having a (non statistically valid experience of both FSUW and Latinas, I am reaching the conclusion that they appeal to two distinctive type of men. This opinion is somehow comforted by the fact that most posters on this forum seem to be exclusively focused on FSUW. The only consistent difference I have found is that the bulk of Latin brides have a cultural level well below FSUW, a sad reflection of the inadequate educational system in Latin countries.

What puzzles me is why the FSU and Latin America remain the main foreign bridge destinations in an increasingly "globalized" world? After all, there is plenty of charming Chinese or Indian girls! Perhaps the cultural gap is tougher to cross than with FSUW or Latinas?

Enough ramblings, I just felt like sharing my viewpoint and hope that you guys will find love in this world, after all everything else boils down to those butterflies you feel in your stomach next to that special someone, no?

Plassey

[BillyB]

What puzzles me is why the FSU and Latin America remain the main foreign bridge destinations in an increasingly "globalized" world?

I thought Asians, particularly Philipinos were most popular. Plassey, welcome, you don't happen to be caulfield that post on another? He has experiences with both RW and Latinas.

[TexasBoar]

I will say that one of the high points of my romantic life was the three year on again, off again relationship I had with a former actress and model from Cuidad Mexico in the years immediately following my divorce.  She was, simply put, an amazing woman.

The materialism I see reported here among FSUW is also one of my concerns about the viability of this pursuit for me.  I have a reasonably healthy amount of disposable income---for a schoolteacher, that is---but I'm certainly not in the "Mercedes-and-designer-labels" crowd.  I know that I can pursue this simply by spending a bit less on Scotch and cigars, lol . . . I'm just wondering if I can keep an FSUW happy once she's here.

~Boar

[av8or1]

I dunno about all of this y'all.  There are plenty of honest, serious women in the FSU, you just have to look and it seems to me that there's good and bad everywhere in our world.  I feel confident that you can find materialistic women in Latin America too, it's not monopolized by the FSU.  I know because I have known "greedy" women who were from Latin America.  Though my experience with these women is limited by comparison to the FSU, there are reasons why I still go to the FSU instead of South America.  Unfortunately I am just not up to ruffling any of the PC feathers that exist in embarrasingly high numbers on RWD (so much so that it's almost impossible to have an open, honest, rational adult conversation about certain subjects without receiving a ton of heat about it) so I won't go into it right now.  Suffice it to say that if it wasn't for those reasons, I would have already given the Latin thing a try (I did write a few letters but was too disappointed to even seriously consider "getting over" my "objections").

Best to all,

Jerry

[Mir]

I think the first experience you have described is with a prostitute though I can't think of the reason why a 20 year old girl would look 30. Unless she was a heavy drug and alcohol abuser as well.

[Bruce]

The reason guys choose women from the FSU is because of looks, culture and class.  Not that there is none of that in South America, but the haystack for a guy looking for the above three becomes much larger and the needle much smaller.

[Nando]

The reason guys choose women from the FSU is because of looks, culture and class.  Not that there is none of that in South America, but the haystack for a guy looking for the above three becomes much larger and the needle much smaller.

That was the reason I gave up Brazil for instance. While they speak the same language and it would be dead easy to pick one woman, I prefer FSU woman because of the above.
Other reason as to do with religion. Many are very religious and that for me is a no, no, thank you.
In terms of culture I find FSU woman more similar to western culture then their south American counterparts.

[Phil dAmore]

Latinas vs. FSU women?  Okay...

It's been my observation that Latinas begin to develop physically very young... and never seem to stop growing...  All of the older ones I know of tend to be quite heavy. No, make that grossly overweight. 

While there is a fair amount of FSU women who could be described as heavy it's nowhere near as bad as Latinas.. or even American women.

My Nina is 48 and can still wear the same dress size she wore when she was 16.  I know this because she still has the same dress!!

Hope you like kids if you are considering a Latina.  Great baby makers they are.  Nope, no contraception.. it's a sin!

Asian women?  Cute little dolls when young, but as they age they get ugly.  And mean.  Think Yoko Ono. :zappedhim:



Indian girls?  Theres a reason they keep them covered up my friend! :yech:

But like you said, it's all about the one that gives you butterflies, no matter where she's from.

Good luck to ya!

[TexasBoar]

Yep.  That's what keeps me investigating the possibilities.

Brazilian girls in particular can be beautiful, but I'm really not interested in a mestizo from the slums, and, well . . . I'm not exactly in the Goldsmith's social circle, now am I?  

Looks are easy.  Culture, education, and class are scarcer, but seem to be more pervasive throughout the social hierarchy in FSU countries.  Not that there's NO "trailer trash" there, as JB has pointed out before. However, it does seem more likely that I could find someone who understood my interests and was comfortable within my social circle (educated but not rich) over there.

~Boar

[Gator]

Plassey,

You are welcome, even though you are wrong!  Wrong about RW, not Latin women.  LW are fun but so are RW.

Your experiences are too limited to judge an entire population:

1.   One hooker who you met on a plane (and yes there is no denying that she was a hooker).
2.   Two scammers in correspondence – and I imagine you wrote the “most beautiful” women listed with the agency.
3.   A RW roaming around Mexico (how did she immigrate to Mexico because it is not easy for RW).

Many RW have classic, almost sculpted beauty, and they know how to dress and act to display it to its fullest.  Many men are suckers for this look, including RM.  Even the women who are not pro-daters are spoiled.  Soon after the initial meeting (arranged or in a bar/club) they will ask for gifts directly for no reason, and if you ask why they will say with an entitled assurance, “Because I am beautiful”.  And many idiots buy them gifts, thereby further cementing this greedy style.

Regarding style I think the RW are not cold when you know them.  Yes, they do not have the ingrained smiling façade of Latin women when among strangers, yet observe them in parties among friends and they party better than Americans.  In fact, I think RW (good ones) are more closely aligned with Latin culture than AW are.  This is what appeals to me – the RW have a warmer soul than her AW.   

How about a beautiful RW who loves the Latin culture?   Avid salsa dancer, drinks mescal, smiles sincerely, enjoys chili peppers, and self-taught competency in Espanol.   I know one such RW very well.   And at restaurants such as Moscow’s Pancho Villa (the band there is a mix of  Mexicans and Russians)  I see many, many RW just like her.  These RW love Latin guys, except complaining such men are not serious.

Hope this encourages you to take a trip to Russia someday.  But approach it with a  more admirable goal other than landing a trophy.

And there is much more appealing about RW other than looks, culture and class.

[TexasBoar]

In fact, I think RW (good ones) are more closely aligned with Latin culture than AW are.  This is what appeals to me – the RW have a warmer soul than her AW.   

That's and interesting and encouraging observation, Gator.  My Basque lover from Cuidad Mexico had a warmth and depth of "soul" that quite frankly, I hadn't experienced before . . . and haven't since. 

~Boar

[Mir]

While no doubt there will be beautiful FSU women who will try to squeeze as much out of their Western boyfriends as possible this is certainly not the norm.
In my experience I have never met anyone like the above.
Yes they won't mind going to a nice restaurant,receiving gifts and travel etc. but they hardly ever demand this.If you offer they will accept thought with some reluctance. I have met girls who tried to pay for somethin like taxi fare etc. I have never met anyone who asked for designer clothes or electronic gizmos or jewelry.
One thing need to be kept in mind.Many of them are simple girls and take your words as they are.So if you tell them that you will buy them something (maybe at the time you made such a promise you wanted to make them nice to you) they will expect that you will keep such a promise. So don't make any promise of offer that you cannot fulfil and if you cannot then explain the reason to them.

[plassey]

BillyB, to reply to your post, firstly I have to admit that my impression is that foreign bride countries are like holiday destinations: some are just fads (like the Philippines) while others have a more constant appeal (like the FSU). Oh, and I don’t have the pleasure to know Caulfield.

Av8or1, I fully understand your point about letters written by Latin brides, they tend to be short and uninspiring, if not plain boring. The fact is that AFA and similar marriage agencies are fishing their recruits amongst the pool of low-class, desperate-for-a-ticket-out of Hell, girls.

As a general rule, Latins are highly (let me re-emphasize: HIGHLY) social people: they will be totally dubious about Internet dating since it is a “cold” medium that does not rely on real-life human contacts. As a consequence, you are zero percent likely to find any girl from the upper-crust of any Latin society, or any cultured, truly attractive, etc. Latina in a site like AFA. For example, Match was a much better option for dating nice Latinas, the ones with the means to buy a PC for home use and to afford a good education.

Mir, I think I was the one on drugs that day I don’t know how I managed to be so totally and utterly confused about her age, but she definitely wasn’t a prostitute, though I can’t help being impressed by the number of FSUW in the sex business.

Bruce, with all due respect, if you paid a visit to the discos in the well-off areas of Mexico City or Medellin and I’m pretty sure you would change your opinion about the looks of the Latinas. Culture is a definite problem though, and class even more so. I guess I have matured enough to be more appreciative of both latter qualities in women.

Nando, I have seen many posts about accent and most men I have met think that a garota speaking to you in Portuguese can melt even titanium reinforced hearts However, Brazil is a different beast than the rest of Latin America, granted. I have never found religion to be a problem with Latinas, who are far more flexible in the matter than girls in countries like Lebanon for example.

Phil, if I’m not mistaken, Lorena Bobbit is from… Ecuador As for Indian girls, I had a few good Indian friends in London and their younger female relatives were a delight, in all respects. I do agree with you that Latinas mostly don’t age well, better buy a good bottle of Burgundy wine.

Gator, interesting comments, I will have to digest them. I’m toying with the idea of traveling to St. Petersburg this Winter (no, I’m not particularly afraid of the cold ) and finally visiting the Hermitage, a plan I have been postponing for a decade. I most certainly accept that my experience with FSUW is limited. With the one exception I mentioned, my worry is that I have never managed to reach with a FSUW the level of natural comfort that I effortlessly have with Latinas. Hence a keen interest to understand how both differ, and the answers in this forum have been most valuable so far.

Plassey

[Mir]

OK
So which city did you say you were visiting when you met this girls? Just curious!

[Mir]

Sorry a typo>I ment the girl on the plane.

[plassey]

 I was traveling from Mexico City to Amsterdam and she was coming back from a 2-week vacation in Queretaro, a nice colonial town North of the Mexican capital. For some reason her fiance had booked her on KLM all the way to Ukraine (quite a good airline all considered).

[Gator]

Plassey,

If you do go to St. Piter (fantastic city), play the percentages and correspond/meet with many RW.  One indeed may click with you because all of them are different.  Not all RW are as I described; some indeed are as you discovered. 

Somehow almost every RW I met seemed sweet.  If pushed, all were also very strong (they are natural survivors).  Perhaps I was lucky.  Perhaps it is natural compatibility.  Some RW have volunteered that my personality made them feel so comfortable that they could relax totally.  Perhaps your personality enables a natural comfort with LW and not with RW.  Again, there are so many women I am sure one is ideal.

My experience with Latin women is limited (one year-long relationship with tall Peruvian and a couple of dates with others).  The Latin women were more bubbly for sure.

[Mir]

And she was able to get off the plane at Amsterdam and check into a local hotel?
It is quite dissicult for ordinary 20 year old Ukrainian girls to get a visa for Holland.And you do know the Amsterdam is one of the prime location for working girls.....

[plassey]

Ah, good point Mir, I had to go with her to the immigration officials and sign a paper of some sort guaranteeing (as European) that she would depart the country after 24 hours. Actually, the Dutch officials were absolutely remarkable in that respect, very nice people, especially compared to their American counterparts.

Gator, I intend to follow your advice, though as with some other posters I do feel uncomfortable meeting several RWs on a single trip especially since at the most I will be able to spend one week in St. Petersburg. Perhaps you are more compatible with RWs and I with LWs or maybe the odds haven't played in my favour yet - who knows.

[Mir]

Hard to believe,even transit visas need to be obtained in advance.
She had an onwards connection to Kiev,how did KLM allow her to break the journey in Amsterdam?oh I get it,you bought her a new ticket from Amsterdam to Kiev the next day?

[ScottinCrimea]

Having spent two years living in Ecuador/Colombia and now two years living in Ukraine, I feel safe in making some comparisons about the women.  Each has their own unique beauty.  A lot depends on your preferences. If you prefer blue eyes, long legs and fair complexion, then go with the FSU's.  If you like olive skin, dark brown eyes and full figures, the LW's arre your choice.  I do have to agree, though, that the LW's don't age as well.  They seem to peak much earlier, somewhere in their teens.  LW's do tend to be sweeter and more subservient in general because education and international culture aren't emphasized so much, but if you want a cultured, educated woman, a RW is your choice.  Of course there are always exceptions, but it's much easier to find the norm then to dig for the exception.  I agree with another point made, that the higher class LW's will not consider internet dating sities because for them there isn't the need and in some way's it is considered beneath them, so most that you will meet are lower or middle class and looking for a way out.

[Phil dAmore]

You are correct, Plassey... Lorena is from Ecuador.  My mistake.

But I still think a lot of Filipinas are whack!

[jb]

I also lived and worked in Latin America for a couple of years.  I spent considerable time in Peru, Brazil, and Argentina.  I enjoyed meeting some truly spectacular women during those years.  Would I ever marry a woman from that culture?  Not on your life~!!!

As mentioned, there are basically two classes of citizens in Latin America, the *have"s* and the *have not's*.  It was said at the time that there were about 500 families who owned everything of value in South America.  If you married into the *have's* and became accepted as one of the 500, you became a princeling and would never have to worry about earning a living for the rest of your life.   It was not uncommon for a Argentinian woman to have a marriage arranged by her family to a Chilean or Peruvian man of equal social stature.  This practice was designed to keep families' wealth concentrated within very narrow boundaries.  These women are sometimes stunningly beautiful, they are also spoilt beyond comprehension.  The typical upper class, cultured, and educated woman's family household would have 2 or 3 maids, a cook, a gardner, and a driver to chauffeur the family on shopping trips, to pick up and deliver the kids to school, etc.  I personally met and dated a number of these woman and none of them would have given up the perks of their family life to marry and move to the USA.  Put quite simply, they considered marriage to a gringo to be a huge step down.  I met several of these women who by the age of 25, had never once in her life ever washed a dish, or made her own bed, or had to do her own laundry.  They were trained to run a house as the mistress, never as one who actually performed any of the tasks.

The flip side of that coin is the Latina woman who would jump at the chance to move to the US, she probably has a "Comic Book" education and has not been exposed to anything outside a very small world.  While there is nothing wrong with girls from the working class in Latin America, as long as they are on familiar ground they are good women.  However, if it's a cultured and educated partner you seek, I think you are far better off in the FSU.

[DKMM]

I've had the opposite experience from Passey (regarding the LW vs. RW, not the hooker on the plane thing!).  My Latina ex was extremely gold digging.  She was just fine with me the first month until she met my parents and ran dollar signs in her eyes.  I was still in grad school but somehow she figured out I could bankroll numerous vacations for us if she worked her magic on me.  Still she always called me cheap (because I don't spend like i'm on MTV).

She was actually worth it for a while....

But the RW I met have all been very frugal and were never showing a material side, other than liking nice things like normal people do.  And I never gave them an inklining that I come from anything other than middle class background (because in my values, dress & attitude I do).  Yet they never expected me to buy them anything more than a tea, or maybe some sushi.