Introduction

[Choronzon]

Just to introduce myself, I am new to all of this and just begining to sort the wheat from the chaff. I am 47 and live in the UK.

I have a couple of specific questions to try and help me sort out what is real and what is fantasy. In my research I found my way to http://jimslists.com on his site he says some not very nice things about Jack Bragg and FirstDream. Should I take Jim's site with a pinch of salt? Also I have heard conflicting reports about Cindy Agency, can anyone help me to work out whether or not to pay money to this site, I have had a few responses that I would like to follow up but obviously not if I am in danger of being scammed.

Anyway thanks for all I am reading away frantically.

[catzenmouse]

Welcome Chorozon!

 JimsList: probably more than just a grain of salt...

 Search here for info on Cindy Agency. Some here have had a good experience with them and some have not. I had no problem with them but in the end I found my treasure in Russia and I did not go to Ukraine to have any personal experience with them aside from some letters.

 In dealing with any agency it is probably best to go with the "trust but verify" system in that you research them and ask about them before you trust them.

Ken

Just to introduce myself, I am new to all of this and just begining to sort the wheat from the chaff. I am 47 and live in the UK.

I have a couple of specific questions to try and help me sort out what is real and what is fantasy. In my research I found my way to http://jimslists.com on his site he says some not very nice things about Jack Bragg and FirstDream. Should I take Jim's site with a pinch of salt? Also I have heard conflicting reports about Cindy Agency, can anyone help me to work out whether or not to pay money to this site, I have had a few responses that I would like to follow up but obviously not if I am in danger of being scammed.

Anyway thanks for all I am reading away frantically.

[wiz]

Hello and welcome to the board.

I would advice you to add your location in your profile pls.

Sorry I can not give you advice regarding these agencies because I do not use any agency in my search for the right woman but of course there are plenty of people who will let you know their views.

Enjoy reading the messages.

Happy New Year.
Wiz

PS: I live in UK too.

[KenC]

Welcome Chorozon,
I wouldn't put too much faith in what Jimslist says about Jack and First Dream as they have an on going feud.  Jack is a member here and you can read some of his posts and make your own decisions on him.  I have "known" Jack for years through message boards like this one, have spoken on the phone with him and referred a buddy to use First Dreams.  Jack did everything he promised and more for my friend on his trip.  I think he is an honest guy.  (Maybe sometimes too honest for some people)

Sorry but I know nothing about the other agency.
KenC

[Turboguy]

I agree with Ken,  Jim's list is well intended and I am not meaning to say anything bad about it however, I think the information is infuluenced to some extent by advertising dollars and by Jim's personal likes and dislikes.

You asked about Jack Bragg.  I had never met Jack until this fall when I took a 4 city tour with him.  This is discussed in the TR section.  Prior to that I had exchanged a few e-mails and read his posts here and other places.

As far as is Jack ethical.  I think he is as ethical as you can get.  He is a very strong willed, dynamic person and can be opinionated.  Non of that is bad but it can ruffle some feathers, (such as Jim's perhaps)  If you have Jack on your side he will fight to the death to make sure you are treated fairly.   He will work non stop to help you.  If you disagree with him on something, just give in.  You will never change his mind and he is probably right anyway.

As far as Cindy Agency.  I have heard good and bad.  My two cents worth is that they are a well above average agency and have a lot of gals to pick from.  Yes, there are a few weeds growing in the lawn but all agencys have that.

I would also recommend Elena's models.  I have a feeling if there was a pool of how people met their gal Elena's would win hands down but they are also larger than most other options.

[Rags II]

I am willing to recomend First Dream as they have helped me on many occasions. Jack is a first rate guy (yes, he is opinionated but it comes from many years of expirience) and all of his associates will go the extra mile to take care of your needs.

[Rvrwind]

Jacks like me, a little too honest for some people & a little crusty around the edges, but if there is one thing he isn't, its dishonest. He will give you the best he can & tell it like it is, he's an honest man & runs an honest agency. Contrary to Jim's personal opinion & agenda.
If your set on Ukraine, Jack or Kevin at Kherson Girls would be my two suggestions. I would also check out the CMA as there are a couple more Ukrainian agencies listed there.

[Bruno]

In my research I found my way to http://jimslists.com on his site he says some not very nice things about Jack Bragg and FirstDream. Should I take Jim's site with a pinch of salt?

First of all, take everything with "a pinch of salt"... same what is wrote here... Jimslists is not so bad but the guy who run these site is too much emotial for these job... he don't accept people who don't follow HIS rules and punish these who dissagree with him... the perfect scam list will be when a commitee with several people review the scam agency or scammer... one men site will be always influenced by these men... unfortunaly, so site with commitee don't yet exist.

About Jack, it is not only related to his own agency... he work with a lot of other agency... and with time, he have build a bunch of ennemies... not because he is bad but because he always seek the best for his customer... he is the guy who will speak several hours with translator service or marriage agency for spare a few $$$ to his customer... simply read some topic here and your will say that customer hapiness is the center of his world... Do you need use Jack because he is good... No... Yourself need first to think about the "method" you wish use for find your bride... tour method is not the best way for everybody... but if you have never visit the FSU, it can be really interesting since you are follow and helped from your departure until your return... appartment, meeting, flight, transport between place, food, tourism, etc... all can be organized on so tour... Having no experience with FSU can lead to catastrophe if you try to organize everything yourself...

Also I have heard conflicting reports about Cindy Agency, can anyone help me to work out whether or not to pay money to this site, I have had a few responses that I would like to follow up but obviously not if I am in danger of being scammed.

About Cindy Agency, you can find here several report... it seem that some have know bad experience with letter exchange... but all these who have make the trip, jump in the agency and pay for meeting was enough happy... and some have make very good comment about the logistic ( by example appartment )... Nothing obligate you to use only one agency... you can use a agency for organize the trip ( by example Jack ), a other one where you choice girls ( by example Cindy ) and a other one for translator ( by example Stirlitz )... it is same possible to find some special service like driver !!!

So, first think about what you wish and what you need... and after, build your own package... Beware that some agency don't allow use service from other... Jack can accept you on one of his tour for meet girls who are not in his first Dream agency.. Richard can accept you for a tourist stay ( fishing, ship tour, appartment, etc ), same if you don't choice any of his girls...

In short, don't jump directly, ready yourself and know what you wish...

[Rags II]

I'd like to add that Jack (and his associates) not only care about his clients but also about the ladies involved. I have personally witnessed him refused to deal with a guy who was very disrespectful (putting it nicely) of women in general, refunded all his money on the spot (after the first "party" of the tour) and told him to go find someone else to play games with. Jack cares about people first and profits last. He doesn't tolerate any games from his staff either. They are all first rate and dedicated to making your trip safe and comfortable.