Odesa Women - Part 3

[Albert]

I was to meet Gal 2 on my second full day in Odesa.

She was probably the best looking in the face of any of the ladies that I had arranged to meet.  And she meet the height and weight combination, although the listed weight put her right at top of cutoff.  But we never know for sure if they put right weight, if it has changed, etc.  Late 30s age with 18 y.o. dau.

She had been sort of feisty, in a humorous way right from beginning.  Her first reply said something like,  So you are coming here to play games with Odesa women.  Have you thought that perhaps some will fall madly in love and loose their mind over you??

I replied that we were both listed on dating sites, so why did she assume so quickly that I was any less sincere than herself.  She replied, where have you seen me on any other sites . . . ha, ha, ha.  She continued to bring this theme up, but got more gentle over time and at one point said she knew 'if she asked no questions, she would hear no lies.'

This was a rather strange first letter, since I was merely responding to her posted data on the dating site.  Didn't she expect someone to come visit?  I never said anything in my letter that should have lead to these sort of statements from her.  Anyway, her letters were full of many ha, ha, ha's.  She also commented that I seemed very organized and that she wanted to bring some 'storm' to my life.

She answered each of my messages very quickly, sometimes virtually within 30 minutes to an hour, even though I told her I would not be checking my email for several days.  She had excellent English skills and said she was working on masters in Economics at nights.

She warmed more and more over about 10 messages.  Said things like she was becoming totally charmed by me, etc.  Once said she thought of wild sex by fireplace with me.  Last message said she was taking my last e-mail and thoughts of me to bed with her that night.

Said she had flex time at work and would spend as many days and hours with me as I wanted.

I called night before first meeting and she was very animated and said anxious for tomorrow to arrive.

I said same to all women, " we would meet at 2 pm, go to a nice dinner and then spend as much time remainder of afternoon and evening that she wanted."

And, as noted above, this lady had said she would spend as many hours and days as I wanted.

OK, so I am at the appointed place at appointed time right outside my apt bldg.  I saw her walking up (10 min late) (note: first gal had also been 10 min late), with her, mobile stuck to her ear.  She was indeed quite a looker in face.  She was wearing a long thin outer coat drawn very tightly around her.  So I could see that she was actually thinner than her stated weight would indicate.  Either she had lost about 15 pounds or the posted data was wrong.  I was quite happy . . . . for about 30 seconds.  She stuck out an incredibly dainty hand for me to shake and at same time said  . . . .  "I only have an hour and a half and then must get to the tax office, or some such."

I was stunned . . . .  after all her previous statements, and in view of fact that I would have a totally wasted remainder of the day.  I said that I had to go back into my apt to get umbrella and something else which I had forgotten.  I said, do you want to come up for a second with me.  She got a slightly shocked look on her face and said, "no I will wait you."  This was from a gal who thought of wild sex with me and took thoughts of me to bed with her.

Anyway, in going up to my apts and back down, I was getting more and more mad at the situation.  So when I reached her I said,  "are you serious that you only have an hour and a half.?"   She said , yes.

I reminded her of my previous words about length of first date and her previous responses, etc.

I said that I intended we would spend afternoon and evening together.  I never specified length of evening.  But then she said, '" the evening . . .  oh no."  It was an incredible turnaround from all her typed words.

She said, well lets go now to eat.

I said, there is no need.

She said:  No need?? and then quickly said, OK well I hope you enjoy your time in Odesa.

We both turned away and walking opposite directions.

I had never before had such a situation with over 150 women, and it was doubly odd in view of her very warm and even somewhat increasingly hot messages.

Still haven't figured this one out.

I will certainly not count this, less than three minute face to face contact, as a "date" so as not to enrage whoever it was that commented before whether I actually had dates or meetings.

[jb]

It's pretty easy, Albert, she took one look at you and said, "thanks, but no thanks".  Women have that choice too.  I don't understand why you didn't pick up on this.

[Leslie]

Hi Albert,

 

A case of negative chemistry on her part?  You know "Yuk at first sight!"

 

What a person writes to you before you first meet just is not important.  I know the WOVO camp will be angry with me but what just happened to you demonstrates this….

 

You were cool in ending that meeting quickly.  I have been in the same situation and bought the meal.  It is not the price of the meal but feeling uncomfortable for a couple of hours whilst you eat it, always knowing that you have got to end things politely.

 

[BC]

You were cool in ending that meeting quickly.  I have been in the same situation and bought the meal.  It is not the price of the meal but feeling uncomfortable for a couple of hours whilst you eat it, always knowing that you have got to end things politely.

Yes Leslie, you remind me of the one blind date where I was quite uncomfortable and maybe the woman also. I couldn't imagine going through this 150 times.. (jest joking albert)

re: meeting vs date, it was I are.. Enraged no.. humored yes.  Maybe we could agree on fractions vs whole numbers? lets see 152 and 3/16ths.

[Photo Guy]

What a person writes to you before you first meet just is not important.  I know the WOVO camp will be angry with me but what just happened to you demonstrates this….
You were cool in ending that meeting quickly.  I have been in the same situation and bought the meal.  It is not the price of the meal but feeling uncomfortable for a couple of hours whilst you eat it, always knowing that you have got to end things politely.

The WOVO crowd has packed its gear and departed by way of the rapids.
Here in the States, my approach to dating is to meet immediately for a short period, like for a cup of coffee. That way you know it will end in a few minutes if it's a bad combination. I'm not sure how to date someone on the other side of the world. I tried the WOVO method, simply because I found a woman who 'felt comfortable' for me. I naturally focused on her. I knew it would be some time before meeting her face to face, so it was completely necessary to exchange lots of photos. If a guy meets and writes to one women, be sure to see lots of photos before taking the trip. I disagree with the notion that the dozens of emails before the meeting are worthless. You can find out what her goals are, how she feels about monogamy, religion, career, family, and anything else that is important to you. Then when you do meet, you can focus on having a good time and seeing how well you get along with each other.  Doug

[OhioGuyRob]

[user=134]Photo Guy[/user] wrote:

What a person writes to you before you first meet just is not important. I know the WOVO camp will be angry with me but what just happened to you demonstrates this….
You were cool in ending that meeting quickly. I have been in the same situation and bought the meal. It is not the price of the meal but feeling uncomfortable for a couple of hours whilst you eat it, always knowing that you have got to end things politely.

The WOVO crowd has packed its gear and departed by way of the rapids.
Here in the States, my approach to dating is to meet immediately for a short period, like for a cup of coffee. That way you know it will end in a few minutes if it's a bad combination. I'm not sure how to date someone on the other side of the world. I tried the WOVO method, simply because I found a woman who 'felt comfortable' for me. I naturally focused on her. I knew it would be some time before meeting her face to face, so it was completely necessary to exchange lots of photos. If a guy meets and writes to one women, be sure to see lots of photos before taking the trip. I disagree with the notion that the dozens of emails before the meeting are worthless. You can find out what her goals are, how she feels about monogamy, religion, career, family, and anything else that is important to you. Then when you do meet, you can focus on having a good time and seeing how well you get along with each other. Doug

 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f8f8f8"One of the things I have always been extremely puzzled by is why men seem to want to treat there dating habits completely differently because the woman happens to be over there as opposed to on the other side of town so to speak.

 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f8f8f8"After writing and discovering that most of the web sites I was using were agency scams (meaning the women I planned on meeting were suddenly not available to meet when it was clear that I was actually coming.) I simply decided to go to local agencies, pick out some profiles of women that I thought I would be interested in meeting and then meet them for coffee to see if there was any mutual interest in any further dialogue.

 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f8f8f8"IMHO you really can eliminate a lot of problems this way.  First you haven't made an emotional investment in a photo and letters.  This makes it a lot easier to really kind of see whats going on with how the woman interacts with you.  After a date or two you can learn if she is with you because she really likes you... or your wallet.

 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f8f8f8"No method is better as a rule, for anyone.  This approach worked best for me.
 

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[BC]

One of the things I have always been extremely puzzled by is why men seem to want to treat there dating habits completely differently because the woman happens to be over there as opposed to on the other side of town so to speak.

Here's a theory:

Most of the men wouldn't even talk to one of these women on RW dating sites if they were sitting across the table from them at the local burger joint, even in a downtown RU or Ukraine MacD's.

How many stories do we hear of those beautiful ladies walking down the street, in the stores or restaraunts. We talk about it but did we approach any of these fine ladies?.. likely not.

Writing and catalog hunting with an agency holding your hand takes away the emotional hurdle that keeps you from asking that girl out for coffee back home.

For many maybe an easier softer way.

(putting on asbestos underwear)

[Leslie]

Well I will reply.

"What a person writes to you before you first meet just is not important. "

I mean that. 

We are looking for a girlfriend not a penfriend.  No chemistry equals no relationship.  That is the lesson here.  Albert is very experienced.  He recognized this quickly and handled the situation well. Too many men bury their heads in the sand when facing something like this. 

 

 

[andrewfi]

Here's a theory:

Most of the men wouldn't even talk to one of these women on RW dating sites if they were sitting across the table from them at the local burger joint, even in a downtown RU or Ukraine MacD's.

How many stories do we hear of those beautiful ladies walking down the street, in the stores or restaraunts. We talk about it but did we approach any of these fine ladies?.. likely not.

Writing and catalog hunting with an agency holding your hand takes away the emotional hurdle that keeps you from asking that girl out for coffee back home.

For many maybe an easier softer way.

(putting on asbestos underwear)

I think (know) that you are absolutely correct. If guys were doing things right they would not be seeking a woman by remote control, nor would they need to be looking in another country for their wife. In the first appearance easier and softer, in the long run, much more painful and much more difficult. (except that the relationship ends prematurely when the guy has had enough pain, or the woman takes what she sees as payment for her time.

[anono]

nor would they need to be looking in another country for their wife.

andrewfi, if i understand you correctly, this is the first time i have to disagree with you. i can date in the usa, no problem. but i have no desire to date all the broken down women blaming all the wrong choices they made in their lives on me. 

i am over here looking because of the number of available (and decent) women. where i live, they just do not exist. i spent years wasting my time on AW as is a friend of mine who will not come over here. day in and day out, i listen to the same horror stories as he desribes yet another meeting with AW. it has gotten to the point that i do not listen to him because all i am thinking about are the nice ladies and nice meetings i have had over here. i'm looking in another country because were i live, there just aren't any. maybe i could go to another part of the usa but i don't know where they live in the concentration they do here.

 

[OhioGuyRob]

I hear you anono. Same issues where I live in the dating pool.  Not only that, but very few women in other cities would even consider a long distance relationship.  Most of the quality women have good jobs and arent going to be that open to the idea of relocating.  I cant speak for you but I have a business here and Im not in a position where I can pull up my roots and start over again career wise.

[anono]

speaking of long distance, i live 12 miles from the mississippi, across the river from st. louis. when st. louis women find out i live in illinois, they act as if it is a foreign country and we speak a different language. the women are perfectly content to date a st. louis man that lives a half hour away or more, but god forbid they journey 20 minutes east.

i explain there are bridges across the mississippi, you do not have to swim the river and you do not need a passport, to no avail. they still consider me GUD, geographically undesirable.

[BC]

It's those beautiful YOUNG women we're after that are so difficult to find at home. Sure your 'normal' dating pool at plus or minus 5 years may not be as attractive.. even in RU.

You'll find plenty of available and impressionable women even in local areas if you factor in that 10 to 20+ year difference, of course with the risk of papas' cold, blue-steel shotgun orifices nudging your privates

Apples and oranges..

[anono]

actually, the attitude of younger women in that age category are even worse. it is not simply looks, the attitude of st. louis/midwestern women in my area is amazing. they blame all their bad choices in life on men they do not even know. it's the attitude of these women that drives me to ukraine. at least here i am treated with civility.

[BC]

anono,

I get your point that the attitude of the local women is not favorable.  Your experience there is much more than mine so I won't push it

Just for discourse, the world is a big place and many fine women around without the attitude you describe.  Why then do men seem to concentrate on Phillipines, FSU and South America?

Haven't run across many GWD(German) IWD(Italian) HWD(Holland) EUWD etc etc sites where ethnicity is as compatible as FSU with less headaches involved.. There are proabably a few but nowhere near the amount of FSU related sites. Plenty of 'babes' here too..

Is it plausible to insist that Ukraine and RU are the last harbors of plentiful good women?



 

[anono]

Is it plausible to insist that Ukraine and RU are the last harbors of plentiful good women?

i'm thinking so...

i've been to peru, trinidad and mexico but for other purposes than women. not my type but i've seen some beauties.

i have also been to holland, belgium, germany, france, italy, spain, switzerland, austria. i saw lots of great looking women but they are more "westernized" than R/UW and i guess this is due to the iron curtain. it is probably only a matter of time before we're all focked.

[BC]

it is probably only a matter of time before we're all focked.[/font]

Yes anono this usually coincides with the issuance of a marriage certificate

ok, ok.. seriously I believe you are absolutely correct. This RW business is more than frayed around the corners.