Yo Everyone

[timothe]

Hello Dnepr Girl!!!

I am very optimistic about your beautiful city of Dniper!  I have several friends who have found BEAUTIFUL WIVES and loving companions there.

You know, Dneper Girl, I try to be a true gentleman.  When I go to you county I will look for adventure and history first, and sexy ladies second:)  Hmmm. It is already winter ....

I must wait now until Spring time, when skirts become fashionable again.  Don't you think?

Nice to see you here,

CIAO

I'm kinda curious, too.  Are you planning on going in the spring?  Where exactly?

[IAmZon]

I agree it is ODD that I like this place, and have found so many friends, AND HAVE NOT yet gone there.

But you have to understand that to a HIGH DEGREE, I have had THERE come to me (at least with FSU women).  In the next 6 months, believe me, I will be maxed out on adventure and ladies from the FSU.  I have let no grass grow under my feet.

I think it best for me NOT to write about my experiences.  They are outside the strict, and well meaning, nature of things here at RWD.  I have grown to like the forum and the people, so I do not desire to cause the slightest imbalance.

[Gator]

Rivardco,

I now wonder about your motivations.

Given what you wrote at the start of this thread, I think Dnepr Girl sees you as typical of those men who spend a lot of time being a keyboard romeo yet never take the trip.  RW/UW know about such men and try to avoid them.  Perhaps she was sincerely wondering why men such as you never take the trip yet do not mind wasting the time of busy RW.  Given the $3000 you spent on correspondence, you must admit that you wasted a lot of time, both yours and that of RW.  How many empty promises?

Thus, given Dnepr Girl's post, it was an opportunity for you to bare your soul to her.  

Instead, your response to Dnepr Girl comes across as juvenile if not hedonistic.  The terms BEAUTIFUL WIVES, sexy ladies, and skirts are red flags to RW.  If this is a sample of what you write to RW/UW, I bet the sincere women click "delete" in a flash.

So what is the story?  Why did you never take a trip in the 2-3 years or more that you have been doing this?  If you were sincere, you would have at least once.  My guess is that you are not serious about marriage, and your last post substantiates it.

RW have some axioms about finding a Western husband.  One of them is, if a man is 40 and has never been married, "something" is "wrong" with him.  Stay away.


If you eventually become serious and do decide to take a trip, which I doubt, I suggest wintertime.  Maybe then you will concentrate on what a woman has to say rather than the shape of her legs.

You new avatar says it all.  

[Photo Guy]

Photo,
I agree with you.  And just when are YOU going back to Ukraine?
KenC

That's a good question. Probably next year, during a warm month. We'll see. In the meanwhile, I'm just keeping busy with: getting my Web site up and running, the driving job, and visiting friends and relatives here in Phoenix.

[BC]

Riv,

RW are generally more attractive than AW. They seem to relate on a deeper level too.
In other words, it is more natural for them to depend on you and expect you to depend on them. So, I think it's an atmosphere of greater inter-dependency.(which I like) There's a predominant lifestyle in the US, where ultra-independence is the norm and sex/infatuation are valued over commitment, loyalty, patience, etc.

PS  YOU HAVEN'T BEEN TO THE FSU YET!?  What's up with that?

Haven't been around any AW lately but sure are a lot of beauties down here and in southern Spain.. Most would discount anything more than a night though, usually sticking with their peer age group for longer term relationships.  There were TONS of nice beautiful AW around when I was younger though.. Guess they didn't want to wait for me..

The atmosphere of 'greater inter-dependency' you mention is what drew me down to this neck of the woods.. It was back then one of the poorer areas of Europe and guess what.. that feeling is disappearing as fast as the huge shopping malls sprout.  It's a money thing.  Want true inter-dependency? Move there.

In other words, it is more natural for them to depend on you and expect you to depend on them.

Isn't that codependence?.. a relationship should expand and not implode.

[IAmZon]

Life is lived in chapters and phases.  My current chapter is fun, and yes my new avatar says it all:)

My comments to Dneper Girl were well intended and meant as "light hearted" only, not disrespect.  There are those who are strict and heavy. I am NOT one of them.

Since I have come to this place (since I have begun dating ladies from the FSU), I have become direct ... something more than truthful ... something more than sincere.   I credit the "general characteristics" we find in RW with this change in me. It has also spilled into my business life.  No longer do a try to please and be affable for the sake of civility.  When I see a disagreement, or lack of harmony, I state it forthrightly for what it is, without malice, of confrontation.  I have stopped trying to sell, sell, sell, sell, with every breath I take. 

For now, I am without ANY motivation to "find a woman to marry".  It is something that will happen IF it happens.  I can DESIRE; but I do not NEED.  Interestingly, as my opportunities have expanded GREATLY, I have noticed my behavior becomes proportionately moderate. 

I think that is a good sign for life's next chapter for me.

[William3rd]

If you are no longer looking for a spouse and not planning on going, do you have any real purpose to be here anymore? Or is this just another form of therapy?

You were preparing to plan a trip a year ago werent you? and then 6 months ago. And now?

You were here when I came and I thought that your first trip was imminent.

I guess I wont be waiting for a trip report in the near future. . . . .

[timothe]

I think it best for me NOT to write about my experiences.  They are outside the strict, and well meaning, nature of things here at RWD.  I have grown to like the forum and the people, so I do not desire to cause the slightest imbalance.

This statement and others like it in this thread point out to me that you are little more than a pervert.  (How's that for direct?) 

Until you develop a little more respect for women as people, you probably won't have much success in any kind of relationship other than the transactional kind.  But I'm sure you know that already. 

Good luck.  I hope you find what you are looking for. 

[BC]

For now, I am without ANY motivation to "find a woman to marry".  It is something that will happen IF it happens.  I can DESIRE; but I do not NEED. 

If you are no longer looking for a spouse and not planning on going, do you have any real purpose to be here anymore? Or is this just another form of therapy?

This statement and others like it in this thread point out to me that you are little more than a pervert.  (How's that for direct?) 

Boy oh boy... are we a little 'testy' today?

What's wrong with the old 'boy meets girl, has fun and see what happens' kinda thing?  After all it's what happened here 5 years ago..

[timothe]

Boy oh boy... are we a little 'testy' today?

What's wrong with the old 'boy meets girl, has fun and see what happens' kinda thing?  After all it's what happened here 5 years ago..

Hey, I'm just calling them like I see them.  Here we have a guy who attempts to come across as some intellectual researcher of the human mind.  But his actions (real and implied) are not consistent with his questions and comments.  He's not a troll in my opinion because he doesn't attempt to raise anyone's ire, but he seems to be kinda mixed up.  And I think the core of his problem comes from his lack of respect for women as people.  Just my opinion. 

You might ask, well timothe, how do you know?   I don't know for certain, but I've always had very good intuition about these things.  I am a salesman by trade and I have years of therapy.  Many of my friends and associates rely on my ability to read situations accurately.  *shrug*

[KenC]

Hey, I'm just calling them like I see them.  Here we have a guy who attempts to come across as some intellectual researcher of the human mind.  But his actions (real and implied) are not consistent with his questions and comments.  He's not a troll in my opinion because he doesn't attempt to raise anyone's ire, but he seems to be kinda mixed up.  And I think the core of his problem comes from his lack of respect for women as people.  Just my opinion. 

You might ask, well timothe, how do you know?   I don't know for certain, but I've always had very good intuition about these things.  I am a salesman by trade and I have years of therapy.

Timmy, Timmy, Timmy,
Just because Rivardco's ideas do not match your own, does not give you the right to call him names and pass judgement on him.  Your "pervert" comment is across the line, Sir.

I see nothing wrong with a guy "playing the field" with RW or any women, for that matter, as long as he is not deceiving them with insinuated thoughts of marriage.  When I went to meet my (now) wife some 9 years ago, I did not go with a "wife vacancy" in mind, just to meet a woman I had come to like via phone calls.  What is so wrong with that?  In my mind it is much more natural to let the relationship grow into something real (or not grow) rather than go meet women with the preconceived notion of marriage.  To go to Russia to fill a "wife vacancy" is more of a perversion of the natural order of life than anything Rivardco is suggesting.  Look in the mirror, dude.
 
KenC

[timothe]

I think it best for me NOT to write about my experiences.  They are outside the strict, and well meaning, nature of things here at RWD. 

So Ken, what do you suppose this means?  When I couple this statement with the fact that the guy spend 3k over the last 18 months in online chat, I draw the conclusion there is some kind of issue.  (oh...and let's not forget the part in this thread where he referred to the money he's spent on a shrink)

So then the guy answers on of Gator's posts by stating he wants to be a more direct person.  (I'm not sure that he really does want to be direct...but that's another thread)  So I gave him my opinion, in a direct manner.  

I'll bet if I did a search on the site for the word "pervert", I would find that one or more old-timers have used the term to describe others as well.  I think your criticism of my use of the term is more because you don't know me than it is because the term itself is too offensive to be used here.

Like others who have pulled out the clue bat over the years, I meant to be helpful. 

[groovlstk]

I've ragged on Riv in the past but only because he's been talking about making a trip for a long time yet has yet to take the plunge.

Riv, you arrived here about the same time as Kuna did, so it's hard not to look at the enormous accomplishments he's made compared to yours. I understand you're in no hurry, there's no crime in that. But in speaking for myself, it's hard to keep answering your questions/taking your polls when I have no idea how serious you are. And I don't mean "serious" about finding a wife, I mean serious about getting on a *&@# airplane to Kiev or Moscow.

[Scuba Don]

Riv, you arrived here about the same time as Kuna did, so it's hard not to look at the enormous accomplishments he's made compared to yours. I understand you're in no hurry, there's no crime in that.

Accomplishment?

No crime to rush, but it is a mistake.  Riv is smart to take his time. This is not a race.
 
It's dumb to rush.  Meet lots of girls and don't marry a stranger. 

[groovlstk]

Accomplishment?

No crime to rush. Riv is smart to take his time. This is not a race.

It's dumb to rush.  Meet lots of girls and don't marry a stranger. 

Who's talking about marrying a stranger?

Visiting Russia or Ukraine isn't something that one needs to "prepare" for 1+ years.

Read the archives or brush up on your RWD history before preaching to the choir.

[Scuba Don]

Who's talking about marrying a stranger?

Visiting Russia or Ukraine isn't something that one needs to "prepare" for 1+ years.

Read the archives or brush up on your RWD history before preaching to the choir.

one year or one trip is a rush.

[groovlstk]

one year or one trip is a rush.

Given your history, you will likely be in a wheelchair before finding a girl who will commit to you.

[Kuna]

I know Riv well and I can tell you HE ISN'T ready for a serious relationship of any sort.  He's only 1 year out of a LONG TERM relationship and it takes exactly the amount of time that it takes to be ready.  When he is ready for a serious relationship he'll either find someone locally or not be attracted to a local girls and THEN he will look to FSU.  I'm sure of that!

 I don't see a problem with his participation here because RWD appears to be a place for people with an interest in Russian/Western relationships (that hopefully lead to marriage).

In short... men SHOULDN'T search until they are "ready" in my opinion.

Scuba Don... Thanks for your comments... I know nothing of your history and don't ever recall answering a question from you so in response to your uninvited comments on me and my MARRIAGE I'd welcome you to kiss my hairy a$$!    

Kuna

[I/O]

Rivardco: RWD continues in it's happily disfunctinonal way as usual, something similar to a successful international marriage actually when I think about it.

You were around these parts well before I was (Although I had/have been invoved in other boards) and I have noticed the respect you held when I first came in here drop off considerably over time. This thread is the second time IIRC you have been called a pervert. Nevertheless, I am sure that rolls off as water off a ducks back.

It seems to me, and I recall you and I being involved in discussions regarding different locations to visit, you have changed tack somewhat. Or perhaps have decided not to visit at all. IMO there is nothing wrong with that and if you find a real Mrs Rivardco, now or in the future in your own back yard, it is a helluva lot easier than tracking all around the world to do so, therefore if that happens and she happens to be a Russian Woman, then lucky you.

Notwithstanding, I think you have misunderstood RWD. We are a bunch of twisted ol' chooks with the inquiring minds of Babushka and her colleagues sitting outside a Russian apartment block. We need to know eacatly what your plans are because we actually have nothing better to think about and we are hangging off the edge of our chairs, coffee in hand, waiting for the next instalment of "Life Rivardco". It is actually critical to any forward progress RWD hopes to make, so please oh please answer a direct question, actually two if you don't mind.

1) Are you going to make a trip to Russia or other FSU state? (Yes or no would do fine thanks)

2) If so, when? Year and month is enough, we won't hold you to a day in that month.

Once we have that out of the road, we can settle back in our chairs and nod knowingly to each other, whilst tittering little "I told you so's" to each other through implied comments in various threads.

I don't think it matters a rats arse whether you plan to make a trip of not, the common denominator here is Russian/FSU women. Connections or intentions with Russian women past, present or future IMO justifies anyones participation here, but in your case I do think there is a perception that you are yanking the chain a little. May or may not be fair or correct, but it is how it is.

Something you may consider is this, you are dating FSU women at home and good luck to you, but you would shift your ability to "Hold their sway" up a few levels if you visited a Russian city or two and came to understand some things first hand. Beleive me, Russian women do hold much higher respect (At least at the dating stage) for guys who have gotten off the arse and had their feet down on Russian soil. I think you would find the same thinking from the FSUW in your back yard AND you will, believe it or not, have a much greater understanding of how they think.

I'd welcome you to kiss my hairy a$$!     Kuna

Kuna: You may like to steal a line from the Pope, that is, "You may kiss my ring".

FWIW

I/O

[SANDRO43]

BC, you shameless thief, you pinched my photo of the Lovers of Valdaro (http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=3740.msg68053#msg68053) with no clarifications whatsoever .

You were preparing to plan a trip a year ago werent you?

Now that's what I'd call being thouroughly deliberate, wouldn't you agree ?

[IAmZon]

Pretty much all comments are accurate and valid - except for the pervert one.  And, you are right,  it rolls off my back instantly.

I love Kuna's story!  His accomplishments.  They have given a fine example to this board for sure.  My accomplishments have gone toward a different direction.  We will see what the future will bring.

Those I have come to know in an "off-board way" know me as something different than this straw man - Rivardco.  A guy just our to a long term relationship, apparently confused, and bitten by the youth, beauty, and obvious availability of Russian women.  Those who don't, don't.

[Simoni]

Hey, I'm just calling them like I see them.  Here we have a guy who attempts to come across as some intellectual researcher of the human mind.  But his actions (real and implied) are not consistent with his questions and comments.  He's not a troll in my opinion because he doesn't attempt to raise anyone's ire, but he seems to be kinda mixed up.  And I think the core of his problem comes from his lack of respect for women as people.  Just my opinion. 

Actually, you are the one that is mixed up.  Big time.

And your "opinion" is all wrong and not worth two cents.

Pervert, you say?  A low blow and totally undeserved and called for.  Hmm....I'm always suspicious when someone calls someone they don't know names.  Suspicious of the name caller...

[I/O]

Now that's what I'd call being thouroughly deliberate, wouldn't you agree ?

The answer is "Maybe" and that's final....!!!

I/O

[Gator]

While my comments were harsh, they were purposeful.  As I wrote you in a PM, I have grown weary of the obscure Rivardco threads because it does take energy to write something.  And I always felt afterwards that my thoughts and advice had missed the target.

You have clarified much recently.  Thank you.  It is good that you are not taking a trip as it indeed would be a waste of your time and the time of sincere women.

You are initiating some interesting, bold business opportunities and these innovative ventures will consume much of your time.  You have a history of taking the path less travelled and I wish you success.

Do check in every now and then.  I would like to hear more about what you see in stateside RW plus the RW you perhaps will encounter in your new ventures.  However, please refrain from asking questions that suggest you want to take a trip unless you are ready.

[Simoni]

Those I have come to know in an "off-board way" know me as something different than this straw man - Rivardco. 

It's true. I don't recognize the Rivardco that people are attacking here. 

Marina and I had lunch with him yesterday.  Yes, we know him personally, and have seen him a half dozen times the last 6 months.

He is a kind and delightful human being.  Very bright.  A nice looking guy. Has a framework in place, but lets it evolve with life's changes.

Marina is "coaching" him, and he will do well when the time is right to jump the pond.  Right now, it's not.  He needs to live life as a free man a little longer and be 100% settled in before he settles down again.
His contributions here are significant.  Some threads may be obscure, but many have been cutting-edge and added much to the data base on fsu women here at RWD.