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Modifications to Ukraine's visa free policy
« on: April 24, 2008, 03:58:32 AM »
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Headlines from The Kyiv Post

Expats face tough rules after WTO
by Anna Poludenko, Kyiv Post Staff Writer
Apr 24 2008, 04:43


Ukrainian border guards will begin strictly enforcing their government’s entry and residency laws by the time Ukraine becomes a full-fledged member of the World Trade Organization (WTO), expected on May 16.

By then, Ukraine’s parliament will pass the final regulations to clarify entry and residency conditions, penalties and fines and adopt full computerization of the border service in accordance with WTO standards, said Col. Volodymyr Puziyenko of the State Border Service.

“The law will be followed very strictly,” Puziyenko said. “Unlike now, everything will be computerized. We’ll see when someone came to the country, when they left, and for how long they stayed here.”

Currently, border guards are allowing foreigners from developed nations to return to Ukraine without having to abide by a July 2007 requirement to leave the country for 90 days before returning for another 90 days.

Once Ukraine joins the WTO, a foreigner will face a Hr 340 to 680 fine and receive a warning for overstaying the 90­day visa­free period, Puziyenko said.

Foreigners also won’t be able to simply cross the border and return without a visa or a residency registration from the Visa and Registration Department (VVIR).

Since the 90­day rule came into effect in July, putting an end to a relaxed regime established after the Orange Revolution, the border and customs services have largely ignored it or inconsistently enforced it, which may have been direct orders from governing organs.

The State Customs Service, for example, reported receiving a letter from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in August directing it to abstain from enforcing the July 11 Cabinet of Ministers resolution because it wasn’t specific enough.

As a result, many expatriates succeeded in renewing their 90­day stay in Ukraine by simply crossing the border and re­entering.

The Post learned of no cases in which foreigners were required to remain outside of Ukraine for 90 days before returning. However, authorities are tightening enforcement in the run­up to Ukraine’s WTO accession.

Borders guards stopped American businessman Roman Kindrachuk on April 13 as he was boarding a departing flight from Boryspil International Airport.

For staying in Ukraine beyond the 90­day visa­free limit, Kindrachuk was asked to pay a Hr 680 fine or he wouldn’t be able to leave the country.

“They told me there is a law and according to it, those who stay in the country for more than 90 days must have a registration,” Kindrachuk said.

The guard was referring to a VVIR registration, which foreigners are required to obtain if they establish residency in Ukraine.

Eventually, the border guard called the head of the airport’s border service, who let Kindrachuk go with a warning without paying the fine.

"The customs guards were fair and correct," Kindrachuk said. “The problem is that nobody knows anything concrete, and whether to charge or not to charge is decided spontaneously."

Emmy Brand, an English teacher in Vinnytsia, said she was charged a Hr 340 fine for exceeding her 90­day stay in Ukraine.

“I was aware of that fine, but not certain about how much it would be,” Brand said. “Although my friend overstaying a day less than me was not charged any fine, so I still don’t understand how they decide who has to pay a fine.”

Puziyenko of the Border Service acknowledged enforcement has been inconsistent.

“We have old and sometimes incomplete laws,” he said. “Once WTO laws are adopted, we’ll be more consistent in visa rules enforcement.”

Specifically, the new visa regulations will specify who won’t be made to pay a fine for exceeding a 90­day stay without proper registration.

This applies to foreigners who overstayed because of circumstances beyond their control, such as illness or transportation problems which can be proven with documentation.

Registering residency with VVIR allows foreigners from developed nations to stay in Ukraine at least three months without a visa and in some cases for two­ and five­year terms, according to the TryUkraine Web site.

Kyiv police launched on April 7 a crackdown on foreigners living in Ukraine without VVIR registration, which is required for all foreign residents regardless of visa status.
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Re: Modifications to Ukraine's visa free policy
« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2008, 02:13:24 PM »
I ended up paying a fine by overstaying 2 weeks.  It was about $150 US.  They wouldn't let me leave without paying.



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Re: Modifications to Ukraine's visa free policy
« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2008, 10:06:23 PM »
Would getting a business visa and regeristering it take care of this?
 I want to be able to spend up to 6 months at a time there eventually.

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Re: Modifications to Ukraine's visa free policy
« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2008, 10:40:22 AM »
I have a 5 year business visa and it doesn't affect me at all as long as I leave for a day every 6 months.

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Re: Modifications to Ukraine's visa free policy
« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2008, 07:04:33 PM »
Thanks Scott! That's the answer I wanted to hear!
 BTW What city in Crimea are you in? I  just got back from there and was in Yalta, Simferpol and Stevastopol. Much better weather this time of year rather than winter like I have done in the past. Go Figure Huh??? :cluebat:

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Re: Modifications to Ukraine's visa free policy
« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2008, 08:30:49 PM »
My home is in Simferopol, though I'm now back in the States for awhile.  Kind of a quiet town overall, but I like it that way, and a short drive to anywhere on the peninsula.  I'm not much of a fan of Yalta, other than for day trips now and then, but really like Sevastopol.  I especially want to get back there after spending some time readeing about the Crimean war.

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Re: Modifications to Ukraine's visa free policy
« Reply #6 on: May 20, 2008, 01:17:40 AM »
Scott,

A bit of trivia...

The Crimean war was the first war in history to be reported in the newspapers in real time.  At that time (1850s) California was experiencing it's explosion of population and towns were sprouting up like weeds.  The readers in California were so impressed with the Russians resisting the seige at Sevastopol that at one point 4 or 5 new towns in California named themselves Sebastopol (that's how the newspaper spelled it).  Eventually all but one had to find new names to avoid confusion.  The remaining city of that name is located in Sonoma county - north of San Francisco.
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Re: Modifications to Ukraine's visa free policy
« Reply #7 on: May 20, 2008, 10:28:41 AM »
I've only passed thru Simferpol. Never spent any time there. I have spent most of the time in Krim at Stevastopol and day tripped from there to Yalta and Belakalava.
 We stayed at the Hotel Atlantica a bit past the Hursoness area. Not a bad place at all, but a bit further away from the downtown area. Luckily the busses go there.

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Re: Modifications to Ukraine's visa free policy
« Reply #8 on: May 20, 2008, 02:57:31 PM »
Everyone has to pass through Simferopol to get to anywhere else in Crimea, but very few spend much time there, because, quite frankly, unless you are visiting someone there, there isn't a whole lot to do, so the only exposure most get is the area immediately around the train station or airport.  There are a couple of great theaters but no museum to speak of.  Gagarin Park is a great place with carnival rides, paddle boats on a small lake, etc and there are some nice walking areas along the Salgir River.  There aren't any significant museums to speak of, and the only archeological site is the remains of a Scythian fortress on a hill to the east of the city.  Still, as a base to explore Crimea, it's a good choice.

 

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