Model look women in marriage sites

[BC]

No, and that is irrelevant.

Yes, quite so.. You speak loudly, without authority or experience.

Par for the course I guess.

You have been blinded by a few dozen and that's about it.

Ever been kissed by a Turk arriving at the airport?  I read your mind.. 'yuk'.. Try a Frenchman, or Italian or Spaniard.. I still 'read'  Yikes...

There is a whole world out there but without an open mind you are lost.

[steviej]

Yes, quite so.. You speak loudly, without authority or experience.

Par for the course I guess.

You have been blinded by a few dozen and that's about it.

Ever been kissed by a Turk arriving at the airport?  I read your mind.. 'yuk'.. Try a Frenchman, or Italian or Spaniard.. I still 'read'  Yikes...

There is a whole world out there but without an open mind you are lost.

Well, I'm not lost, but thanks for your concern. Any reason Turkey has to be "in" the EU, instead of being just Turkey? What are the overwhelming reasons that the quality of life for the citizens of German, France, England, etc., will be significantly at risk unless Turkey is brought in to the EU?

[BC]

Well, I'm not lost, but thanks for your concern. Any reason Turkey has to be "in" the EU, instead of being just Turkey? What are the overwhelming reasons that the quality of life for the citizens of German, France, England, etc., will be significantly at risk unless Turkey is brought in to the EU?

Turkey represents a highly industrialized country that can only profit from being outside EU, providing relatively cheap products for the EU market.

Sorta like another China..

Religion has very little to do with the grand scheme of things.

[SANDRO43]

It might depend on if she is wife number three or wife number one.

Polygyny is NOT permitted in Turkey (http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=7838.msg142978#msg142978).

[Blues Fairy]

The Armenian issue is something that Turks are incredibly sensititve about and *I* think their history glosses over this too much .. but give it time.. 

How much more time would you give it? 
It's been 93 years since 1915 and nothing changed. 

[steviej]

Turkey represents a highly industrialized country that can only profit from being outside EU, providing relatively cheap products for the EU market.

Sorta like another China..

Religion has very little to do with the grand scheme of things.

Why not try to get China and India to join the EU?

[BillyB]

Guys and girls do you advice me to join a romantic tour to meet girls. 

Welcome memosss,

   Your question is on page 1 and the first answer is on page 3. We're on the slow side lately. After reading about men's experience on tours, I don't like them due to too many sharks and sincere girls don't like to go because the insincere women are aggressive in taking all the attention from men.....then some of them take men on shopping trips. The only tour I haven't heard complaints from is Jack Bragg's First Dream tour.

Be careful on what sites you contact women from because some agencies scam. Too many model looking women in one place is unrealistic and most likely you will not know if you're trading love letters with a woman or Igor, the employee of the month.

I suggest you do lots of reading here. Some men spent years worth of time and lots of money only to learn an agency was hurting his chances of success. Ask questions to learn of other people's experiences before signing up at any agency.

Since you're from Turkey, no matter how much you or other's there think like Europeans, many RW will have the idea you're more like men from the Middle East. Many will not date you simply because of your skin color and no matter how smart you are or having a good heart will ever change the fact. Write lots of women and you may find one who genuinely accepts you and where you live. You probably will have better success in Muslim dominated FSU nations.

[Shadow]

Why not try to get China and India to join the EU?

Give it time.

[memosss]

Welcome memosss,

   Your question is on page 1 and the first answer is on page 3. We're on the slow side lately. After reading about men's experience on tours, I don't like them due to too many sharks and sincere girls don't like to go because the insincere women are aggressive in taking all the attention from men.....then some of them take men on shopping trips. The only tour I haven't heard complaints from is Jack Bragg's First Dream tour.

Be careful on what sites you contact women from because some agencies scam. Too many model looking women in one place is unrealistic and most likely you will not know if you're trading love letters with a woman or Igor, the employee of the month.

I suggest you do lots of reading here. Some men spent years worth of time and lots of money only to learn an agency was hurting his chances of success. Ask questions to learn of other people's experiences before signing up at any agency.

Since you're from Turkey, no matter how much you or other's there think like Europeans, many RW will have the idea you're more like men from the Middle East. Many will not date you simply because of your skin color and no matter how smart you are or having a good heart will ever change the fact. Write lots of women and you may find one who genuinely accepts you and where you live. You probably will have better success in Muslim dominated FSU nations.

  Thanks BillyB I think you have given a correct idea

[Wolf]

   I think this thread has  turned into a political one instead of answering the initial question.
   Asking the original question, I supose that some model looking woman must exist, the only problem is to know which of them is authentic and with the intention to find a real partner.
   About the political one,for me USA can push whatever they want to introduce Turkey inside EU but for me it is not their problem so if they feel this way they can push themselves to introduce Turkey as a new state in the USA. The introduction of Turkey inside  EU is a  topic to discuss for the europeans and for the Turkeys, and anyone else disturbs.
    I can be mistaken but I think that Turkey has actually around 70 million. Another point is that if Turkey gets into EU  with time they will be in Shengen too.
    The introduction of Turkey in EU has several aspects from my point of view. ( I am a proeuropean integracionist).
  1 .  If Turkey enters it means that the borders of Europe are larger that originally thought, so Rusia could ask to enter as well, the same with Israel for cultural motives, and if they enter the same could be asked ask lebanon, etc...
 2. Motive is the religion one, the entrance of Turkey in the EU could mean that finally we have a  democratic muslim nation inside an estructure that allows them to advance faster to the first world. Would it be posible? would it be like a light for the other muslims countries to show them the way?. Here i think the USA has tried one system, and it is introducing democracy by force; with Turkey being already a democratic country, they could try another system to influence the area but the effort to make it it will be the responsability of EU.
   From my point of view no other nation must enter the EU untill the system has changed to allow the taking of desicions more easily (without blocking vote) and allows to a major political integration. When this is posible then Turkey can enter. But I donīt think the majority of europeans are for it.

[memosss]

Yes Wolf
I think you know current political situation and population of Turkey. And thanks for your advice too.

[msmoby_ru]

   I think this thread has  turned into a political one instead of answering the initial question.
   Asking the original question, I supose that some model looking woman must exist, the only problem is to know which of them is authentic and with the intention to find a real partner.
   About the political one,for me USA can push whatever they want to introduce Turkey inside EU but for me it is not their problem so if they feel this way they can push themselves to introduce Turkey as a new state in the USA. The introduction of Turkey inside  EU is a  topic to discuss for the europeans and for the Turkeys, and anyone else disturbs.
    I can be mistaken but I think that Turkey has actually around 70 million. Another point is that if Turkey gets into EU  with time they will be in Shengen too.
    The introduction of Turkey in EU has several aspects from my point of view. ( I am a proeuropean integracionist).
  1 .  If Turkey enters it means that the borders of Europe are larger that originally thought, so Rusia could ask to enter as well, the same with Israel for cultural motives, and if they enter the same could be asked ask lebanon, etc...
 2. Motive is the religion one, the entrance of Turkey in the EU could mean that finally we have a  democratic muslim nation inside an estructure that allows them to advance faster to the first world. Would it be posible? would it be like a light for the other muslims countries to show them the way?. Here i think the USA has tried one system, and it is introducing democracy by force; with Turkey being already a democratic country, they could try another system to influence the area but the effort to make it it will be the responsability of EU.
   From my point of view no other nation must enter the EU untill the system has changed to allow the taking of desicions more easily (without blocking vote) and allows to a major political integration. When this is posible then Turkey can enter. But I donīt think the majority of europeans are for it.

Hi Wolf .. good post

Turkey's population was 70 million at the last official cnsus but it is thought it could be 100 mill be the turn of the decade. It is has a hihger birth rate and much higher proportion of young people.

Although TR is outside the EU is has negotiated many favourable trade terms for exports to EU nations - but it is STILL being "hurt" by far eastern nations that undercut it's wages.

[memosss]

Hi Msmoby
You have a good post too. Where are you living in Northern Cyprus or Southern Cyprus? Yes low wages in China and other far east nations will hurt all world. You and your wife look nice in flickr pics

[msmoby_ru]

How much more time would you give it? 
It's been 93 years since 1915 and nothing changed. 

Hi BF

Well a lot *is* changing in Turkey - many silly laws that made it hard to criticise the state have been repealed - and you can now read Turks calling for the Armenian issue to be "dealth with" .

The current TR govt have a large electoral mandate, but are walking a tightrope between many factions trying to trip them up.

Even now, there is a court case claiming they are closet Moslem fundementalists and wish to bring about as change to TR's secular status. Then, the Army has always used this as a pretext for a coup. There were arrests concerning such plots, recently..

Personally speaking, I'd like to see TR in the EU - I think in would bring stability to the Eastern Med region and would bring about the end of hundreds off years of mistrust between Greeks, Turks, Cypriots,  Kurds and Armenians.  But not at any cost..  I still still a "watered down" pc may come ..

If the govts enthusiasm for EU membership fades - many Turks don't want to make the necessary concession- then we never hear an apology

[msmoby_ru]

Hi Msmoby
You have a good post too. Where are you living in Northern Cyprus or Southern Cyprus? Yes low wages in China and other far east nations will hurt all world. You and your wife look nice in flickr pics

re the Pics - thanks 

We live in Cyprus.. !! but not for too much longer.. I was pro the UN Annan Plan solution and wanted to see a bi-zonal federated outcome..

I regualrly holiday in TR - the sailing is GREAT.. and the Greek Cyps think I'm a "Turk Lover" - and you'd probably think living in Limas(s)ol makes me the opposite

Yavosh ,Yavosh; Siga, Siga; Slowly, slowly as they say in these parts...