Newby 101

[Jack]

 Newby 101
 
Ah man, this chick is hot!  Does she really like me?  Could she be real.  Nawww, couldn't. But what if she is ?
 
Some of you new guys ever find yourself in that situation? Heck, probably a lot of you not so new guys that find yourself in that situation. Ok, how do we find out if this woman is real?
 
Their are several ways of finding out if a lady is real and if the great feelings she expresses towards you are real.
 
Let me share with you newby's one thing you can do to help determine quickly if she is real or not real. Get her phone number.  :brightidea:  Something as simple as getting her phone number. If you can get the woman's phone number it's always a great start. And most ladies who have a real interest in you will be just as excited to hear your voice, as you will to hear her's.
 
Now by getting a ladies phone number doesn't mean your out of the woods by any means, but by getting a ladies phone number it greatly enhances your possibilities of going forward with someone who is real.  By not getting a ladies phone number, what do you think it means? 
 
Oh sure, maybe she really does not have a flat phone. Or maybe she really does not have a cell phone, which becomes a little more harder to believe everyday. Ask some of the guys who have made a few trips how many ladies they met who did not have a cell phone.
  
Here is one technique I often recommend.
 
Elena has great interest in you Newby Joe. She tells you this eleventeen different ways in each letter she writes. So Newby Joe, what do you do? You ask Elena for her phone number, you would like to call her.  And Elena says "ohh, I'm sorry Joe, I do not have a phone".  
 
"Awww shucks",  Joe says.
 
I wonder if Newby Joe would have asked that question a little differently if he might have been able to get a better, quicker, feel for her sincerity?  What could you have done or said differently Newby Joe?
 
Joe, next time when you ask Elena for her phone number, or Tatiana or Oksana, ask them in way similar to this, change the wording to please you but something like ..........Elena, I think and dream of you often as well. I would like to send you a gift of flowers Elena, to show you my interest in wanting to continue our communicating and hopefully meeting you. May I have your home address? I also dream to hear of your voice. I would like to call you Elena, please, send me your cell phone number. If you do not have a cell phone Elena, send me your flat phone number. If you do not have a flat phone Elena, please send me the phone number to your neighbor, your friend, your relative or work number and tell me the best time to call.
 
Joe, if you ask her for all these phone numbers and Elena, or Olya, or any woman can not give you at least one of these numbers, or her home address, Newby Joe, you need to move on. Look at all the time, effort, frustration and possibly money you just saved.
 
Even if a lady does not have a flat phone or a cell phone, and their are ladies without cell and flat phones, they all have ways of using phones. If a lady does not have a phone she will use the phone of a neighbor. These people share, their used to sharing with those who do not have. It's another one of the many great cultures of the FSU, people help other people. I was writing a wonderful lady named Veronica from St. Petersburg, actually Sosney Bor just south of St. Pete, and Veronica did not have a flat phone. This was before the internet days and their were not many cell phones as well. Veronica was real, she did have interest and even though she did not have a phone in her flat, I would call Veronica every Saturday at 4pm at her neighbor's flat, right across the hall from where Veronica lived.
 
If a lady has real interest in you Newby Joe, and she does not have her own phone, she WILL give you the phone number of her neighbor, or a relative, or a friend. And all these ladies have girlfriends who have cell phones. If a lady does not have a phone she is used to using the phone of her neighbor, or relative or girlfriend.  So Newby Joe, just starting out with an internet relationship, this beautiful lady writes you, tells you of her great interest in you, ask her for a phone number in a fashion similar to this and see how many ladies do not have a phone number they can give you. Let's see what happened to that dying love then. And NO Newby Joe, you do not send her money for her to buy a cell phone!

[jb]

Great post, Jack, a lotta good ideas there.

[bbernard]

Jack,

I agree with jb! Good post!

There is so much truth to your post! Just for the knowledge of the newbee, and believe me I am one myself, I learn something new everyday from this site. 

I can only speak for Ukraine as that is where my experience has been and this in no way implies that there aren't any women who don't have phones but all incoming calls and SMS messages are free to the receiver in Ukraine. It only costs these women to make calls or send SMS messages therefore the only outlay for a cell phone is the purchase price of the phone and the refill of the prepaid account which I know many can and do afford. I mentioned prepaid because most people I havemet in Ukraine have perpaid phones...

When my fiance wants to talk to me she calls me lets it ring a few times then hangs up and I call her back. I have been around not only my fiance but her family and friends and when they receive a call that the person calling hangs up! They then determine: 1. whether they know the person or not and 2. whether they want to pay the price of calling the person back. I have seen this on more than one occasion!

I just wanted to add my two cents to your advice just give someone, in effort to help those who create an excuse as to why their case maybe different. You know, a little more concrete to your already sound foundation of advice....

bbernard

[Journeyman]

I agree, always ask for a phone number.

I've collected scores of them over the years, and only one time was I denied.  That one time, she was definitely not interested.

But, every time I got a number, the girl was interested ........ in something.  :noidea:

A number of the times she was just interested in getting a nice meal, or practicing her English, or working me for other goodies. :huh:

Interested???  Yes.......BUT..... In just what?  :?  THAT is THE question, of course.  :brightidea:

What was W.C. Field's famous response to the question . . . "Do you like children?"  (Sure, especially for breakfast!)    In my experience, a typical man-eating RW prefer their men "for dinner."  Or maybe a late-night snack.  

The GreenCardGirls .... :hairraising: ... and even lesser villains ... will give you just about anything you want (phone numbers, etc.) ....... except the truth. :seething:

Newbies, getting a number is just a first step.


Journeyman

PS. Dan, isn't there an emoticon available for "bursting your bubble."

[Albert]

I have a little different viewpoint here.  A lot of this about phone or not has to do with the type of plan you are following:  WOVO vs WMVM.  I always follow the WMVM plan for first visits to a particular city.

I do NOT want to talk with my WMVM women on the phone prior to my arrival.  Why?  Simply because there are too many of them.  AND, there is the chance that some of them will then be calling me.  With a WMVM strategy and my ongoing work responsibilities before my trip to a FSU city, I simply do not have time to be calling women and it would be dissaterous for my time if any of them started calling me.  And another pitfall if they would call me is the paucity of names in FSU.  Imagine the gal calls me and says this is Sveta.  Am I going to ask her:  Which Sveta are you?

I understand the point of using the phone number question to weed out and get real girls.  But I have never had a problem in weeding out the gals from e-mails.  I have my sequence of e-mail letters already written and ready to send out for each new WMVM visit.  There are many questions in my outgoing e-mails for the gals.  The gals that are not sincere simply will not take the time to be answering all of the questions I ask.  And if fat Yuri starts trying to answer some of them he will be using words that I can spot pretty quickly as being no good answers.  Plus fat Yuri will soon be asking for some monetary assistance, so he will be dropped anyway.

In short, I do not use phone numbers to weed out.  I don't think it is a viable approach to use in conjunction with a massive WMVM approach.  However, I can see its value in a WOVO approach.

[Jack]

Albert, your a good example of why no one approach works well for everyone. Believe me I highly recommend and practice the WMVM approach. To me it is the very best approach but again it comes down to each man's preference.
 
I would never proceed on my own, or recommend to others, to NOT call these ladies in advance. By calling these ladies and being able to talk to them, to be able to set a day and time and place with these ladies to meet for me proves to be much more efficient. I do not want to have long time correspondence with these ladies and get that point across in my first e-mails/letters and phone conversation. And guess what? Most these ladies prefer that, they also do not prefer to have a long time correspondence, they prefer to meet men they know are coming soon. As I am often told, one face to face meeting is better than a hundred letters/e-mails.
 
Like you, I not dare give my phone number out to any of the ladies in advance (although I do give them an emergency contact number of someone I am working with or know), I wait until after the many 1-2 hour meetings we will have and of those few who I had the greatest interest in, that also appeared to have an interest in me, I would then give my phone number to.
 
I have tried the method of just going to a city and having many ladies to see and only then after arriving trying to contact them, try to make arrangements to see them, only to find out then a good percentage were either not real or not serious or were unavailable. My method today, by calling ladies in advance, helps to increase the number of sincere ladies I can meet and I have much less down time if 65% of my time in any city can be scripted out in advance.

[Albert]

Just to clarify a bit. First, nothing in my post indicates that I am suggesting 'long time correspondence.' In fact, I don't send out any e-mail until 6 weeks before a visit, and after the first couple of messages I find excuses to limit the emails to once a week. Thus, I actually only exchange about 7-10 with each gal.

Second, I do indeed set a day and time and place to meet each lady for first time. But this is done via e-mail. I have virtually 100% of my free time scripted out, at least for the first time meetings.

Third, I actually do ask for their phone numbers. But I only do this in about the next to last e-mail that I send. I say that the phone number will be used to call them the day or evening before our actual (previously arranged via e-mail) meeting. So my first phone call to them is AFTER I am in their city.

And for Dan and others.  Where can the font size be adjusted when we are typing these posts.

First, I copied Jack's post and then typed below.  But in doing so, my post was the same small font as his.  I could find no place to adjust font size.  So then I copied my post into my Word Perfect and changed the font size.  But it came out here bigger than I wanted.  However, I still found no way here to change the font size.  I see above that we can change the font style, but I see no size change option.

What the h&ll do those 1-7 numbers in the window do in upper left hand corner?

[Admin]

Albert,

It takes a little bit of experimenting. The numbers 1 - 7 really DO have an effect.

Default is size 3. To change it, you can use the following:

Change to size 1, you type an open bracket with size=1, followed by a closed bracket. All the text which follows the size=1 command will be that size, until you turn off the command by typing an open bracket with a backslash (under the question mark) then the word size followed by a closed bracket. An easier way might be to select one of the numbers at the top - then look for the commands it has placed in your message - then place your text IN BETWEEN the commands the system has placed for you.

Here is an example of 1

Here is an example of 2

Here is an example of 3

Here is an example of 4

Here is an example of 5

Here is an example of 6

Here is an example of 7

Try it.

- Dan

[Bruno]

To change it, you can use the following:

Change to size 1, you type an open bracket with size=1, followed by a closed bracket....

• More simple... select your text and choice the desired size in the drop down menu ( 1 to 7 )... it will adjust the size automaticely without need of some code or bracket... ame method for font color, font type, bold, italic, underline, aligment...[/*]
  
• When you are typing, you can select a other size and continue typing in the new size...[/*]
  
• For ordered or unordered list, go to the begin of the first line to order and click the icon

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If you can use the wordpad of windows, the icon and function are almost identical...