After more than 2 years what say you ...

[IAmZon]

Much of what fuels the attraction to go to Russian / Ukraine is ... well, attraction, specifically physical attraction.   But after a short while - it does not matter how beautiful the woman is - physical attraction looses its importance in a relationship. Of the AM that have been "successful" and either has been with / been married to a RW/UW  a period of over two years, how do the positive steriotypes actually hold up?  What has surprised you?

Particularly these generalizations  (try not to be "boosters".  Comment on your's as well as other's experiences - your observations. Do not give personal testimonies that read like "Valentine's Day" cards please ... identifying the errors and false expectations are 1000 x more valuable than the hopes and dreams that are already in place)

1, RW/ UW are more faithful and loyal to their husbands.

2, RW/ UW  are hard working

3, RW/ UW have a more "traditional" outlook towards the role of marriage and family.

4, Do you see your RW / UW very interested in earning a career and independence?

5, Do you see RW / UW to be more, or less, or equally truthful compared to AW?

6, Do you see RW / UW fitting easily into your American social life - are they discontent in this regard?

7, In a perfect world, where would most RW desire to live? 

These are some of the core sterio types men IN THE BEGINNING accept as true.   What is the truth after the novelty and newness wears off?  What sticks. More importantly, what are the challenges and disappointments.  (I know this is a tough one for guys to answer honestly.  Please do give it a try.)

[tfcrew]

Much of what fuels the attraction to go to Russian / Ukraine is ... well, attraction, specifically physical attraction.  
 

That first statement is not universally true.
 The dating and married guys here went to see a lady...not a country.

[IAmZon]

Virtually nothing here is universally true. 

There exist a sufficient number of "Generalization Warnings" within these pages.  But, I doubt more than 5% of AM who ultimately marry a women who ACCIDENTALLY was located in Ukraine or Russia found her naturally, and then embarked on only one multi thousand mile journey for her, and only for her.

In any case, this point is not very relevant to the primary thrust of the topic.

[BC]

The answers may sound like a riddle but what the heck..

1, RW/ UW are more faithful and loyal to their husbands.
Faithful or more dependent in their new environs?  Isn't the 'dependent' role something many men seek in the first place?  Accepting independence is like accepting obsolescence for many WM

2, RW/ UW  are hard working
We all will work hard to achieve our goals, but there can be differences of opinion regarding the time frame of the desired 'goal'.  For some, 2, 5 or 10 years, others tomorrow.

3, RW/ UW have a more "traditional" outlook towards the role of marriage and family.
Consider first the background of the woman you wish to marry.. is it anything near the 'traditional you seek'?

4, Do you see your RW / UW very interested in earning a career and independence?
No. At the moment maintaining the household and young kids is quite enough work.  Will likely change though the closer I get to retirement.

5, Do you see RW / UW to be more, or less, or equally truthful compared to AW?
If truthfulness equates to the ability to speak one's mind then more truthful, although you may not like what you hear.

6, Do you see RW / UW fitting easily into your American social life - are they discontent in this regard?
After a year or two shunning their RW peers, they will seek their own and establish their place in the pecking order.  Will they fully integrate accepting local friends as their peers? - probably not.

7, In a perfect world, where would most RW desire to live?
Their place of origin, but of course the grass is always greener on the other side.

There exist a sufficient number of "Generalization Warnings" within these pages.  But, I doubt more than 5% of AM who ultimately marry a women who ACCIDENTALLY was located in Ukraine or Russia found her naturally, and then embarked on only one multi thousand mile journey for her, and only for her.

Well, I like to think that I belong in that 5%.  Seeking a RW was the last thing on my mind when we met almost 8 years ago.  Beauty and youth were very enticing, but became quite irrelevant in short order.

I really don't understand why men actively seek to marry a FSUW.  Over the years I have seen too many that are not able or willing to lay in the bed they made, blaming anyone but themselves for their circumstances.

[ECOCKS]

1, RW/ UW are more faithful and loyal to their husbands.

People are people, women are women, good relationshipis of people in love last - others, don't. I don't think that FSUW are any more or less than any other group of gals.

2, RW/ UW  are hard working

I think that average women from the FSU, especially those over 30, are far more likely to have a practical approach to survival and "making do with what is at hand" than AW.

3, RW/ UW have a more "traditional" outlook towards the role of marriage and family.

I'm not sure that "traditional" is an agreed-upon term that would alloow us to answer this.

4, Do you see your RW / UW very interested in earning a career and independence?

Somewhat. They still have to learn a new set of cultural norms in this area. Particularly when it comes to returning to school and training for a new career. As for independence, it seems like many of them fiercely want it which probably has an effect on the perceptions of issue #1.

5, Do you see RW / UW to be more, or less, or equally truthful compared to AW?

No more, no less.

6, Do you see RW / UW fitting easily into your American social life - are they discontent in this regard?

Not discontent, but at first awkward and hungup on status (as memtioned so often before).

7, In a perfect world, where would most RW desire to live?  

In their home country with our material  items, homes and ease of movement both local and international.

[GoodOlBoy]

7, In a perfect world, where would most RW desire to live? 

In their home country with our material  items, homes and ease of movement both local and international.

I COMPLETELY agree with you on this one ECOCKS, BUT....If I may also add, in their home country, with a "good" Russian Man.


GOB

[ECOCKS]

I COMPLETELY agree with you on this one ECOCKS, BUT....If I may also add, with a "good" Russian Man.


GOB

I guess if you forget that these are our wives, it would be fair to say most would have preferred to not put up with the culture and languaage changes.

Mine is adamant that we will stay here now though and bring over our family as we are able to sponsor them and, of course, if they wish to come.

[kievstar]

When I first met my wife we planned on living in Ukraine or somewhere in Eastern Europe.  Now she only wants to live USA (Miami FL would be her 1st choice) and she studies the language 6 hours minimum on average per day. This is a woman who loves her country and family and really only did agency dating as fun.  But she has changed.  My point is people change and hard to generalize.

But she will not lose her family orientated skills which is consistent with the people I grew up with Michigan in.  Hard for me to see a difference between RW and AW as there are many AW like RW.  Maybe if I lived in California or New York I would see a difference as people from these states seem like foreigners to me. RW to me are just like good girls from the Midwest. 

I am still trying to persuade her to live in Ukraine but not working.  She has a basic argument that I cannot defend.  Children will have a better life in USA than Ukraine.  Medical and education are better in USA in Ukraine (she was a nurse so she knows how bad the system really is if you are not rich).