Need Real Estate Agent in Ukr

[thompsongunner06]

The mother has all papers,,and can sign for herself,,,we hope the son will help some,,,seems old folks are victims of scams/frauds all the time there. It is a shame because she will pay a good comish but some folks want blood from a turnip! We cannot tell the agent about us(they will want more money),,we just want to assist in  finding an agent,,,when a buyer is found we will fly in and help at the closing,along with her son. We are trying to keep as simple as possible ,,,,as far as a bank buying it all,,,I think they will try to get it as cheap as possible and have a buyer lined up so they make a huge profit.When we were there to visit (and in Russia) bribes are expected everywhere.

[Misha]

I think they will try to get it as cheap as possible and have a buyer lined up so they make a huge profit.

Seems to me there is a major financial crisis going on in Ukraine  You should not expect to get the same price for the house or property that you would have gotten two years ago in most cases. It may take many years for the economy to recover. Krimster's advice holds: you have to figure out what price is reasonable for today's market, not what it would have gotten a few years ago or what it will get in the future.

[krimster]

Hey Mr T,
   It's your "Mom", sorry for the misunderstanding.  Well, your Mom should know all about this.  Frankly, in Ukraine relatives and real estate don't mix very well.  I could write an entire series of dramatic novels based on conversations overheard in the property registration office.

Likely the brother's wife is aghast at the possibility of losing her share of an inheritance.

Yes, scams happen all the time there.  Hyper-vigilence is required.  Finding an agent is something you have to do locally.  Look for an office, and someone who runs ads locally and in large metro areas like Moscow and St. Pete.  If there are doubts about Mom's competence in handling this, and I believe almost everyone gets "suckered" in one way or another, you might consider the brother as the contact person and give him a "piece" at the conclusion of a successful sale.  Once you do all documents, her time spent on this is minimal, there won't be a huge flood of potential buyers, it could take years to sell this property now.  Also, you will not have merely one single agent, you will have to constantly switch agents when the old one fails to produce any new potential buyers.
 

[krimster]

OK Mr. T,
   Now that I more fully understand the details of your situation and after reading again your orig. post, I now recognize that you're not talking about Kyiv but Dnepropetrovsk, which just so you're aware is not remotely near Kyiv, I can provide the following observations.

Dnepropetrovsk is a very depressed region and was never a high priced market, very unlikely someone is willing to develop on this land, it's more than likely in/near a village, thus not of great value, and virtually no demand, ONLY someone local will buy this, check with neighbors.  Tell your mom to check in Dnepropetrovsk for the RE Gazettas, this is all so straightforward that I don't understand why you and your wife are even involved other than wishing that "all goes well"...

Sorry...

[kievstar]

Krimster, you can take words and twist them however you want.  I could twist yours as well.  This debate will go on forever.  I should have stated "I met Eugene always in Sevastopol at his office".  I never asked or cared where he physically lived.  I do not know Dan so why would I ask Dan about Eugene. So to me Eugene was from Sevastopol.  Big deal I guess your IT side is showing.

So you brought more than $100,000 usd into the Kiev airport.  You talked about buying property including more than 40,000 usd in furniture.  How did you do that?   So you said you made a fortune is that money still in Ukraine than?

I said I do not know Hartman.  Just like I do not know Putin, Bill Gates, Joe Montana, etc. I know who they are but I am not personal friends of them.  But I do know John Opie from GE and met Jack Welch a few times (but I do not know Jack Welch as he is not a personal friend) .  I guess Hartman is your buddy would you care to post the positions he has had of companies past 10 years and whether he was on the Board of Directors of those companies?  I put his job history down below and remember this was written by him.

If you understood the product which the company I work at produces you would realize it requires complex math written by Belgians.  People who created this math are in Belgium.  USA Department of Defense uses some of this math as well.  When I meet with ING I always meet with them at their Bussels office (ING just happens to be one of the companies we use for electronic banking - which I am not a big fan of).   Which is like many other banks who have significant offices in Brussels because of the EU.  These are not branches.  Brussels is very close to Netherlands by the way (less than 1 hour).  It is not close to Iceland.

Regarding my career I worked Big 4 accounting, GE, Automotive (I did work in Ukraine and I can buy cars cheaply from the factory do to my automotive background).  I could care less about how I write on this board as it is a Russian women discussion board.  You took pleasure in running someone off the road in Ukraine, carrying dynamite in Ukraine, and the picture you use is very unusual.  So you see why I take little time writing perfect English as it is a message board. It is not the GE Board room.  I have always fired my secretary as executives do not need one in todays age.  People should be using the phone for communication as email is a terrible form of communication.  Words can be translated many ways and reasons many arguments are on this board.  You have a long history of arguments with people on this board.  You do look for arguments and reason your on this board.

You have an IT background and probably good with whatever you do.  But you have no knowledge at all when it comes to taking money out of a country or setting up a business in an international country legally.  Yes you do pay tax on it in Ukraine.  Yes it is a pain in the ass in Ukraine.  Yes many banks will not help a foreigner trying to cut corners and not pay tax.  Regarding your offshore accounts just be careful because when I worked in the Big 4 we setup many offshore accounts which 100% are not legal.  Be careful using the internet for proof behind offshore accounts and how to take money out of Ukraine.  Also, you should get a copy of the tax code and the money you made in Ukraine is subject to tax unless your not a USA citizen.  However, you do not pay tax on a portion of money made over seas but if you made the fortune you claimed to make several years ago you are obligated to pay tax.  Remember your tax preparer does not go to jail for doing your tax return.  Dividends are subject to tax. 



Here is your personal buddy Bret Hartman and not on the Board of Directors of a company which is not even a global 500 company.  Some Bill Gates.  He has mid level Director and VP roles at small companies.  Big deal.  He writes books as well. 

Bret Hartman is responsible for corporate security technology strategy for EMC, as implemented by the RSA division. Prior to RSA, Mr. Hartman was Chief Technology Officer, Information Security, at EMC Corporation.

Mr. Hartman has over twenty-five years of experience in information security solutions for major enterprises. His expertise includes Service Oriented Architecture (SOA) and Web Services security, policy development and management, and security modeling and analysis. Mr. Hartman has spoken at dozens of security and privacy industry events and is a recognized authority on distributed systems security.

Prior to EMC, Mr. Hartman was Director of Technical Services for SOA Appliances at IBM Corporation, and was also Vice President of Technology Solutions at DataPower Technology Inc. (acquired by IBM). Mr. Hartman's previous roles include Chief Technology Officer at Quadrasis Security (Hitachi Computer Products); Vice President, e-Security Services and Chief Security Architect at Concept Five Technology; President and Co-Founder of BlackWatch Technology Inc; and Director of Information Security at Odyssey Research Associates. Mr. Hartman began his distinguished career as a U.S. Air Force officer assigned to the U.S. National Security Agency.

 
Krimster, since what we are discussing is not the OP thread (and no one else cares about what were talking about) I will not be posting with you in this thread.  If you want to continue, send me a PM and let me know the next time your in Ukraine so we can meet.  I am in Ukraine 1 time in September and 1-2 times in November. I will take you personally to the bank. When do you go next to Ukraine?

[krimster]

"You talked about buying property including more than 40,000 usd in furniture.  How did you do that?"

Getting money into Ukraine is not a big problem, ever hear of SWIFT?

"...it requires complex math written by Belgians"

WTF?  Math happens to be a universal language, even Ukrainians can create algorithms and diagrams.


"...carrying dynamite in Ukraine"

Ummm black powder actually, 'bout a teaspoon full per flare and perfectly legal to buy, store and transport within Ukraine and most other countries as well.

"Yes you do pay tax on it in Ukraine.  Yes it is a pain in the ass in Ukraine.  Yes many banks will not help a foreigner trying to cut corners and not pay tax."

Taxation is always paid at the time of sale, not when you try and transfer money out.  As I have explained, my strategy is to ALWAYS get the buyer to be responsible for all taxes.  There's no connection between the two, why is it so hard for you to grasp this.  At the time I physically lay my hands on the money the tax is already paid and deducted from what I receive.  If you actually did sell some property in Ukraine you would have no problem at all understanding this.

"Regarding your offshore accounts just be careful because when I worked in the Big 4 we setup many offshore accounts which 100% are not legal.  Be careful using the internet for proof behind offshore accounts and how to take money out of Ukraine.  Also, you should get a copy of the tax code and the money you made in Ukraine is subject to tax unless your not a USA citizen."

How many times must I repeat, the money was never in my name, nor in the name of any company in which I am a stockholder and received a dividend. Under these conditions I have no tax obligation.  This is SO simple yet somehow it eludes you.

"Dividends are subject to tax."
How much tax do you pay as a stockholder if the stock pays no dividend?  Why can't you grasp the simplest, most trivial financial details, Oh I know why....

"I have always fired my secretary as executives do not need one in todays age.  People should be using the phone for communication as email is a terrible form of communication.  Words can be translated many ways and reasons many arguments are on this board."

Most absurd thing I ever read, why don't you write "that as a sr. executive I can come to the office nude and play grateful dead albums all day", it's more credible than what you write.  This is what a poseur writes, are you a poseur?


"When do you go next to Ukraine..."

Never, why would I want to fly over London, Paris, Amsterdam and then go to Ukraine.  I'm done with Ukraine.   I'm afraid I'll have to decline your generous offer of a meeting.  However, it doesn't get you off the hook as far as providing verification of your claim, but you and I both know that you can't provide the verification.  Why?  Because you can't verify what doesn't exist.

Fine, if you don't want to continue this discussion.  You've provided not one detail about the subject, not even one little tiny piece of information, just an endless stream of boasts, that everyone can see right through, so please continue doing so, I'm not the one making you look ridiculous, you seem to be the sr. executive in charge of doing that.

Good day to you sir!

   

[kievstar]

Good evening to you. But your not answering the questions I asked you and your not understanding what I wrote.  I am not talking about tax on sale of property. I know you know the process on selling property.  I am talking about taking money out of a country and what you have to pay or not pay.  There is a difference.   Since your done with Ukraine I cannot help you.  As this discussion will only get settled by taking you to a bank and showing you what takes place to take money from Ukraine.   Since you no longer go to Ukraine and you seem to hate it - why?  You seem very bitter about Ukraine. 

I guess you need a secretary to do your work.  I do not need one.  I am capable of setting up webex meetings, making travel arrangements, and sending outlook meeting notices.  I do not drink coffee.  What is a secretary going to do - read my email for me like some senior executives I know who do not use computers.  I am not a 50 year old man with no organization skills.

The math used in our products are developed by people in Belgium.  Which is also used by our competitors.  Just is.  I agree math should be everywhere.  But they keep coming up with complex ideas in Belgium.  There is a high risk of liability if someone sends a wire transfer from their phone and it does not make the party it is intended for.  So the guts of our products are highly complex and the details are not on the internet.  One thing I learned really quick was the value of the company was being near the think tank in Belgium.  You are aware banking security in USA is way behind in technology.

You said you received dividends than you said you did not receive dividends.  Which one is it?

Where is your money in Ukraine?  How did you get it out?  - answer the question.

[krimster]

"I do not drink coffee."

Weird

"I do not believe in sex before marriage"

Even weirder, cuz ya sure ain't gonna have much after! LOL

"I guess you need a secretary to do your work.  I do not need one.  I am capable of setting up webex meetings, making travel arrangements, and sending outlook meeting notices.  I do not drink coffee.  What is a secretary going to do - read my email for me like some senior executives I know who do not use computers.  I am not a 50 year old man with no organization skills."

What you have listed above are not organizational skills, but administrative and clerical skills, I'm sure you were just testing me.  Most executives are paid a great deal of compensation, most admins are not.  Therefor it is of benefit to the company to transfer as much of the executive's low level clerical tasks to the admin to free him up to do the important things, like talking to Belgians.

"You said you received dividends than you said you did not receive dividends.  Which one is it? "

Based on what I have consistently told you, the answer is "not"

"Since you no longer go to Ukraine and you seem to hate it - why?  You seem very bitter about Ukraine. "

Ask any of the Ukrainians who emigrate and go live in a new country, their reasons are pretty much the same as mine.

"Where is your money in Ukraine?  How did you get it out?  - answer the question."

No.

Sorry, it's time for my cookie and bedtime now