Nice American Man wondering about his relationship with Ukraine woman

[Rina_G]

I want to know this too

[Gator]

 

I had several different men going half-world way to see me when i was telling them "please don't, i am not going to date you, you are just my friend, i am not going even to meet with you". Still they did. They probably spent couple thousand for a trip. But that was their choice, and I don't feel like I owe them anything.

Interesting story about your days as a single woman.

When those “several” men flew from Europe, America, etc. to see you even though you had discouraged them, was each a WOVO trip?  If a WMVM trip, I could understand your saying that you perhaps will have coffee and cake for an hour with no promise of a second meeting.  However, if a WOVO trip, you should have been more convincing.

With some of them i did not even meet.

So you did meet a few!  Did you spend a lot of time with these men?  Just spending time with a weak man will encourage him regardless of what you say.

Did these men offer expensive gifts?  Did you accept the gifts even though you were not interested in seeing the man again. 

I thought it would be too unpleasant for me to be listening their accusations of my cold-heartedness and unresponsiveness as if I absolutely have to love every man who happens to want me. And if I tell somebody "no", and he keeps writing me "we are great match i've planned everything"... what can i do with a person who cannot even hear me? Cruel, i know, but that's life.

This is how you and Inna differed. 

I agree with you that Inna should not return Ken’s gifts but not for the reason that you give.  Inna should keep them simply because these gifts were the income earned from doing her job of "acting" the fantasy and “renting” her beauty.  Call it a scam, yet it was her way of making money in cahoots with her agency.

[Gator]

Hey, Ken is correct, its amazing what you can do if you have enough money! Hes changed into Emilio Estevez 

Ken, glad to note that you have removed the photo of yourself just in case your wife's attorney gets wind of this thread.  I think your name kens1958 is also traceable. 

[Gator]

Okay, giving all of this the benefit of the doubt, let's look at what happened.  The guy was neutered by the system.  In an effort to regain his balls he chased after a 20 something in Ukraine.  The result was that he got neutered again.  At this point he has no balls left and has no business pursuing a woman in this country or any other.  The concept that some woman somewhere has some extra balls to lend him if he just spends enough money on her is wrong. 

Sad yet I find your description hilarious.

What he needs to do is take some time, grow his own balls back by his own individual efforts, and only then does he have something to offer a woman.

My advice?  Stay away from the dating sites, and especially from any that include webcams.  They are 100% scam setups.  In fact, stay away from any dating until such time as he has build his life back to the point where he has the self esteem and self confidence to pursue a woman on his own terms.

The best way to grow a new set of balls is to pretend that you have some and spend some time with a sincere woman, i. e., get back on a horse but a gentler horse this time. Unfortunately, ken in what he is telling new women he plans to meet is the same as hanging a sign that says, "My right ball is the size of a pea and the left is too small to talk about."  I don't think RW take kindly to pitiful men.

[Misha]

I think your name kens1958 is also traceable. 

It is. Ken, here is a little piece of friendly advice. If you want to remain anonymous, DO NOT use the same user name on a discussion forum, dating sites and your twitter account. In 30 seconds of googling, I have pieced together your first and last name, the company where you work, a list of web sites where you are looking for Russian women and your plentyoffish profile 

[GoodOlBoy]

Mostly, the logic presented by the ladies who post here is non-existent.  Despite the groveling by many of the guys here to kiss the butts of the lady posters, the posts by the ladies are virtually worthless in trying to be fair or give advice.

GOB couldn't disagree with you more.

I find the advice/opinion's of the RW posting on RWD quite refreshing, honest and invaluable.

I will go even further and say that the success of RWD would not be as swift and prolific without some of the contributions given here by our ladies from the former SU.

Some of the statements made by these ladies have actually caused me to stop and reflect on my own personal views of this process (thank you ladies ).

In the future, I hope we have MANY more RW join our "little community" and offer even more diverse perspectives from the "other side" of the fence.

And  FWIW....I'm not a brown-noser. 


GOB

[KenC]

I did make a major mistake however in giving Inna all the money and desiner outfits to make her a much more atractive catch... she used the money I sent to travel to see this guy and he sent me a photo of her in his apartment .. where she was wearing the hot new designer shoos I paid for....

I have read it over and over .... Dont send money... the girls will just use it to bettter there marketability... and she will have more options and temtations....

well I helped creat the situation that lost me the girl.........or in reality I never actualy had the girl to lose... only a smile every once and a wile....

Intresting thought... my soon to be ex wife wares 3.5 carets of dimonds on her finger ... and still guys will hit on her with me standing holding her hand....

If you got a hot girl it is always a temptation for them that someone younger , richer, ???er will come along....

just look at the hollywood mariges....

Ken1958,
Yet another example of your insecurities. 

Dude, first of all you cannot lose something you never had.  And you never HAD this girl. 

Secondly, giving gifts does not give you any ownership rights.  The one redeeming quality I see in this girl is that she did not sleep with you.  That puts her just above the hooker category in my mind. 

Thirdly, your "logic" is all screwed up.If the reason for not giving a woman gifts is because they will make her more appealing to other men not only screams insecurity but is further proof that she was never your gf.  Maybe you could rephrase the statement to "do not give gifts to acquaintances....."

Seriously Dude, if you want to better yourself, take some time and work on Ken1958.  Just as you worked on your physical condition, your head needs much more work.  You have the time and obviously the money to help yourself.  Do it.  Spend some of your cash on a class or course for improving your self esteem and confidence.  A little therapy might help you align your priorities too.
KenC

[Ade]

It is. Ken, here is a little piece of friendly advice. If you want to remain anonymous, DO NOT use the same user name on a discussion forum, dating sites and your twitter account. In 30 seconds of googling, I have pieced together your first and last name, the company where you work, a list of web sites where you are looking for Russian women and your plentyoffish profile 

30 seconds? It took you that long?

[Mars]

well I helped creat the situation that lost me the girl.........

It is one thing to do something that harms you.
But what you did harms every guy who follows.
As others have pointed out, through the grapevine the word of lavish gifts travels and expectations follow.

[Mars]

Secondly, giving gifts does not give you any ownership rights.  The one redeeming quality I see in this girl is that she did not sleep with you.  That puts her just above the hooker category in my mind. 

I disagree with you Ken.  I put Inna BELOW the hooker category or in the dishonest hooker category.  The honest hooker takes the money and provides the service.

[Mars]

And  FWIW....I'm not a brown-noser. 


GOB

You are the ultimate FSUW brown-noser here.
Your posts are full of excuses for the bad behavior of FSUW and blaming WM for any problems that crop up in the relationship.

[ScottinCrimea]

kens1958, One thing I noticed in your singles ads is that you are seeking someone ages 18-28, so minimum 23 years your junior.  Please explain to us (and more importantly to yourself) why an 18 year old girl would be interested in you.

By the way, my Ukrainian stepdaughter just turned 18.  The very concept boggles my mind.

[KenC]

I disagree with you Ken.  I put Inna BELOW the hooker category or in the dishonest hooker category.  The honest hooker takes the money and provides the service.

You do have a point, Mars.
KenC

[GoodOlBoy]

You are the ultimate FSUW brown-noser here.
Your posts are full of excuses for the bad behavior of FSUW and blaming WM for any problems that crop up in the relationship.

Your right about one thing Mars, I don't blame 20 yo schoolgirls for an old goats stupid behavior.

The only finger of blame I point/post here on RWD is at 50 or 60 something year old goats chasing 20 yo school girls, getting "used" by said girls and then running back here to RWD whining and slamming everybody else but themselves (ie: "The Whore", interpreters, translators, taxi drivers, waiters, small dishes, silverware, and whatever) for their own vain, stupid decision making.

I give NO comfort to jack*sses and mules.

So I guess in some twisted way, your "observations" are correct. 

BTW......I was just checking your profile...anything you would like to reveal to the forum about your "hunting" habits?

Let me take a "wild guess", schoolgirls??


GOB

[Misha]

30 seconds? It took you that long?

Well, I did take a bit of time to read his profiles  :evil:

[mies]

Ken was telling earlier in this thread that he was looking for someone of childbearing age - 30-35+.
what does his profile say?
Looking for an age range    18-28 (natasha club and russian brides)

[Sculpto]

without removing blame from "old goats" the advertising and mythology strategies of agencies and sites must be included in the equation.  Broken hearted men are vulnerable and the marketing is designed to appeal to it.. basically telling broken men "you have a second chance at happiness". 

Further reason to stay the hell away from agencies.

[Ravens9273]

Kens profiles showed there are no excuses. His profiles have shown this is one sick man and should not be encouraged in any way.

For a Man of 51 years to list looking for Women down to 18 years of age shows he has no morals.

I know owners of agencies in Odessa. One owner is very honest and she is the one Anastasia has put in charge of monitoring other agencies in Odessa. Many agencies list Women on Anastasia who are still 17 years of age. However the profiles are not activated until once they turn 18 years of age.
Back in 2006 a 16 year old girl was made active on Anastasia's website from Odessa. She was just an average girl. At the time there were plenty 18 to 22 year olds a whole lot more attractive then her.
However this 16 year old was active on Anastasia for 1 day before the mistake was realized. The 16 year old received over 6000 letters in that one day. No other lady even came within 1000 letters in a day.
The only reason this mistake occured is someone was always focused on the number 17 to not activate. Anastasia did not know if the listing of 16 was an accident and ask friend I know to investigate because they never had someone listed so young and to wait almost 2 years to be activated.

However the case this showed how sick some men are. Some are doing nothing more then looking for a child. I see Ken in the same group as these Men. The only reason his profile starts at 18 is because that is as low as the site will go. If Ken at 51 can go after an 18 year old it shows he has no boundries.
If he has no problem with 18 what makes you think he would not date a 17 yo, or a 16 yo or 15 yo or 14 yo?
Where are Ken's boundries?
If the law allowed it I feel Ken would do it.
I also think this is where his journey to Ukraine started. I think in Ukraine he feels he could get away with it.

This is a man who came here saying he was looking for a wife and went on a tour to met Women. These are Women he never met before but he was prepared with Viagra and condoms.
Is condoms and viagra the way you go looking for a wife?

Ken went to Ukraine with the belief that in Ukraine he was going to have sex. Why be so prepared? These were not Women he established relations with before the trip. They were strangers when he arrived.
Ken had in his mind Ukraine was a place he could get sex and from what we see about him now that his idea was to also have sex with very young girls.

This Man is sick and twisted and one who would look at your teenage daughter with lust.

All adults here (especially in their 50's) when looking at an 18 year old would feel the need to protect them or guide them. Treat them as a parent treats their child. However not Ken. Ken looks at them to sleep with them.


This is one case where I am delighted the young lady took hime for a ride. Persoanlly I would like to shake Inna's hand. This Man disgraced her whole country by going there with the beliefs he has. People this man is not looking for love. All this talk that he wants to find his soulmate is complete BS.
Hey Ken! DO you think the man upstairs just one day said when you were in your 30's. "Hey Ken, You have been a good boy so I will finally make your soul mate. She will be born in 9 months and you will have to wait a long time while she grows up".

Give me a break Ken.
It what twisted world you live in do you believe you are going to find your soulmate in an 18 yo?

Ken you are about one thing and one thing only. SEX WITH YOUNG GIRLS! PERIOD!
Everything you have done and said shows this.
THere are words I would love to call you but I know I would be banned the moment I did. But you know what those words are.

Done with my rant before I go to far and get in trouble.
However this man is gardbage. He deserves no pitty or help. Just sickens me people like this exist.

[GoodOlBoy]

Broken hearted men are vulnerable and the marketing is designed to appeal to it..

Broken Hearted man = WEAK MAN

Vulnerable man = WEAK MAN

Russian Women detest WEAK MEN!

They despise this type of man.

NEWBIES: Do yourselves a favor and DON'T got to Russia crying and sniveling about the "past".....they DON'T want to see or hear it.....Russian Women want a REAL MAN!!


GOB

[Johnny2009]

Kens profiles showed there are no excuses. His profiles have shown this is one sick man and should not be encouraged in any way.

For a Man of 51 years to list looking for Women down to 18 years of age shows he has no morals.

I know owners of agencies in Odessa. One owner is very honest and she is the one Anastasia has put in charge of monitoring other agencies in Odessa. Many agencies list Women on Anastasia who are still 17 years of age. However the profiles are not activated until once they turn 18 years of age.
Back in 2006 a 16 year old girl was made active on Anastasia's website from Odessa. She was just an average girl. At the time there were plenty 18 to 22 year olds a whole lot more attractive then her.
However this 16 year old was active on Anastasia for 1 day before the mistake was realized. The 16 year old received over 6000 letters in that one day. No other lady even came within 1000 letters in a day.
The only reason this mistake occured is someone was always focused on the number 17 to not activate. Anastasia did not know if the listing of 16 was an accident and ask friend I know to investigate because they never had someone listed so young and to wait almost 2 years to be activated.

However the case this showed how sick some men are. Some are doing nothing more then looking for a child. I see Ken in the same group as these Men. The only reason his profile starts at 18 is because that is as low as the site will go. If Ken at 51 can go after an 18 year old it shows he has no boundries.
If he has no problem with 18 what makes you think he would not date a 17 yo, or a 16 yo or 15 yo or 14 yo?
Where are Ken's boundries?
If the law allowed it I feel Ken would do it.
I also think this is where his journey to Ukraine started. I think in Ukraine he feels he could get away with it.

This is a man who came here saying he was looking for a wife and went on a tour to met Women. These are Women he never met before but he was prepared with Viagra and condoms.
Is condoms and viagra the way you go looking for a wife?

Ken went to Ukraine with the belief that in Ukraine he was going to have sex. Why be so prepared? These were not Women he established relations with before the trip. They were strangers when he arrived.
Ken had in his mind Ukraine was a place he could get sex and from what we see about him now that his idea was to also have sex with very young girls.

This Man is sick and twisted and one who would look at your teenage daughter with lust.

All adults here (especially in their 50's) when looking at an 18 year old would feel the need to protect them or guide them. Treat them as a parent treats their child. However not Ken. Ken looks at them to sleep with them.


This is one case where I am delighted the young lady took hime for a ride. Persoanlly I would like to shake Inna's hand. This Man disgraced her whole country by going there with the beliefs he has. People this man is not looking for love. All this talk that he wants to find his soulmate is complete BS.
Hey Ken! DO you think the man upstairs just one day said when you were in your 30's. "Hey Ken, You have been a good boy so I will finally make your soul mate. She will be born in 9 months and you will have to wait a long time while she grows up".

Give me a break Ken.
It what twisted world you live in do you believe you are going to find your soulmate in an 18 yo?

Ken you are about one thing and one thing only. SEX WITH YOUNG GIRLS! PERIOD!
Everything you have done and said shows this.
THere are words I would love to call you but I know I would be banned the moment I did. But you know what those words are.

Done with my rant before I go to far and get in trouble.
However this man is gardbage. He deserves no pitty or help. Just sickens me people like this exist.

AMEN to that!!!

[Sculpto]

Broken Hearted man = WEAK MAN

Vulnerable man = WEAK MAN

Russian Women detest WEAK MEN!

They despise this type of man.

NEWBIES: Do yourselves a favor and DON'T got to Russia crying and sniveling about the "past".....they DON'T want to see/hear it.....Russian Women want a REAL MAN!!

GOB

GOB.. tough guys always say stuff like that.. right until something kicks them in the arse and knocks them down.. don't think it can't happen to you.  So.. I personally take all that bravado as a big pile of camel caca.  Bigger the tree.. harder it falls..

However, I do agree 100% with your last comment.

[kens1958]

WOW Raven,
I do not know what hapend in your life to make you so bitter... is it because these are secret hidden desires that you harbor?

I am not aware of any profile where I am looking to meet an 18 y old... I agree at 18 they are still children. my eldest daughter is 13...
As to the sites that were mentioned .... if it is possible to check I know you will see I have not used these sites since I first found them.... I joined every site I could find when I first found out about the idea of internet dating....

It may amaze some ..to know I like to date girls that I can have a conversation with......


On a more positive note.... everything I have ever accomplished .... I started out really bad at on my first try.... But I have the ability to learn and eventually  I get very good at whatever I set out to accomplish....

I am saddened that some on this forum have such sad lives .... that they feel they must slander me and tear me down with personal attacks ... just to make themself feel better...

I try to always compeat with my self and improve daily in whatever I endever...

I hope for thouse of you that feel they must be so cruel.... I hope your life gets better and whatever pain you are in gets better

some may be intrested to know that Inna and I have agreed to remain friends and we are at peace with each other.

I believe Miles had the closes take on what was happening......

someware along the way many people missed the statement that I made about going to Ukraine just to get experience with the people and culture..... the fact that I took condoms...... what haven't any of you ever been in the boyscouts?    being prepared for the unexpected is wise.... The fact that I never needed them.... don't I get some credit for that?

I have same in my bathroom now ... does that mean I am a bad person..... what is in your drawer?


All is good ...get over your bitterness.... I am learning... and I have not blamed or gotten bitter..... I am happy that Inna found a young stud close to her age.....

I am happy for the good times we did share ... even though they were always proper and respectfull......

If I really was this thing you say..... why would I spend so much time and energy with a woman that offers no benefits in return......

could it be ... I really am a nice and decent guy that met a girl that he knew was too young for him.... but they had great conversation and he learned much from her about her culture and country....... maybe I just paid for a tour guide....

Please remember that Inna called me several times from Nikola and asked me to come to Nikola to visit with her....she trusted me enough to introduce me to her 3year old daughter... and the 3 of us had outings together

You never herd me complain of this.... I did not know where everything was going... I was just learning on the ground with no plan....

I met many old American men in Odessa who married young 18 and 19 year old Russian wive and were now coming back after 10 years to find a new one... because the old one had grown up and left him......

I feel sad that some of the people hear feel they must try to put me in that group......

peace to all
 

[BC]

Russian Women want a REAL MAN!!

Excellent subject for a new topic...

What is the definition of RW's 'Real Man'

[GoodOlBoy]

It may amaze some ..to know I like to date girls that I can have a conversation with......

How a 50 something year old man can carry on a meaningful conversation with a 20 something year old schoolgirl is beyond my comprehension.

I am in my 50's and I have a wonderful Daughter in her late 20's.

I can carry on a meaningful conversation with her for maybe 30 minutes in a week.

Because of our age differences, she and I have absolutely NOTHING in common (besides the normal Father-Daughter chit chat).

Ken, you are deluding yourself.


GOB

[Misha]

Excellent subject for a new topic...

What is the definition of RW's 'Real Man'

Just what we need, a group of largely aging WM pontificating on how they believe RW define a "Real Man." I am more than happy to settle on my wife thinking that I am man enough for her  :evil: