A few dumb questions

[Silver]

Hi I'm Josh. I run a 1 man cabinet business that puts about $80,000 a year in my pocket. Can I afford a russian wife with this money?

Is the fact that I'm only 22 a good or a bad thing?

How do all these 18-22 year old Russian girls have university degrees? Isn't that supposted to take 4 years minimum?

Is that fact that I've only completed trade school going to make it impossible for me to find a russian wife?

Is it hard to conform to the customs of another county when you visit? Do people get offended easily if you do something wrong?

As you can see I'm  more the working class type of person. I make decent wage but nothing compared to all old guys on their who are loaded.
It seems like all the girls on Elanasmodels want an educated guy with a deskjob, is my observation right or wrong?

Thanks, more dumb questions to come.

[remiel6]

The only Dumb question is the question not asked. Not sure on a lot of them, but I think 80k is enough. Most importantly do not misrepresent yourself. This is bad. Be honest and up front. Still whether its enough is up to the woman you are interested in. This is not a catalog. I can answer the university part. In most of Europe they start university much earlier than they do in the united states, this is why they often have degrees before us. The educational system is totally different.
The concern most might mention about the age is that 18-22 year old women tend to be fickle and change thier mind quickly.
As for Customs I don't think so. I always find it fun to learn about different customs. Just don't be an ugly american. If you don't know what that means then go find out. It is a very different culture and I enjoy it for that. I would just say write a woman and be upfront tell her what you do for a living and what kind of person you are. Let them decide if its for them and if its not then move on.
Oh and welcome to the forums and browse around there are a lot of very smart people here with lots of experience.

[BC]

Hi I'm Josh. I run a 1 man cabinet business that puts about $80,000 a year in my pocket. Can I afford a russian wife with this money?

Welcome Josh!

Regarding income, it's not the amount you make but the amount you have at the end of the month that counts.  Questions to ask yourself are:  Has my young business stabilized to the point I can spend time chasing women halfway around the earth?  Do I have enough savings to not only support the search, but a young family as well?  Can I afford to loose customers while traveling? Do I have a home and lifestyle that a young family would enjoy?  If you just finished trade school, might want to wait a couple years until these questions can be answered.

Being self employed makes this venture even more daunting financially.. not only do you get to pay for trips etc, but loose your income and customers (both those that need you asap and prospective), so all in all a double whammy.

Is the fact that I'm only 22 a good or a bad thing?

My guess is that it limits the prospective audience of girls a wee bit, from what I have seen there is not that much difference between girls there and girls here or even where you are.  If you are caught up in the idea of 'traditional women' I think you might need to review that thought a bit.  I also think that the expectations of women in that age group might be a bit skewed.  They, as you have probably not been able to travel much outside your normal environment and probably have little idea what living in another country really entails.  I do sort of wonder what at that age would compel a young woman to leave her home and country if all is 'right' with her.

How do all these 18-22 year old Russian girls have university degrees? Isn't that supposted to take 4 years minimum?

Guess that depends a lot with the type of school and age.. I could see 21 or 22 as having completed 'university'.  Remember just because she has a degree does not necessarily mean she can use it where you are.. just another twist that makes me wonder about a young woman who desire to leave her country.

Is it hard to conform to the customs of another county when you visit? Do people get offended easily if you do something wrong?

There is quite a bit of information about customs and habits here and on the internet.  A little searching and reading will reveal a lot.  More important it might help you define a bit more whether this is the right path for you.. after all you have a whole life ahead of you.  You could also read up a bit on Russian/Ukranian carpentry.  I saw a lot of nice old woodwork there that could be food for thought..  http://www.saint-petersburg.com/monuments/tsar-carpenter.asp

As you can see I'm  more the working class type of person. I make decent wage but nothing compared to all old guys on their who are loaded.
It seems like all the girls on Elanasmodels want an educated guy with a deskjob, is my observation right or wrong?

A lot depends on you.  If you are finding that women at home enjoy your company and find you interesting you may find the same there.  If you are having difficulty finding dates at home might want to first invest a little effort in yourself to hone your dating skills and 'game'.  If so, best to work on that first as you may find you don't need to travel at all.

Maybe it would be a good idea to try and describe your motivations for seeking a Russian woman?  What got under your skin in the first place?

Thanks, more dumb questions to come.

There are no dumb questions really, but do watch out for dumb answers..

[docetae]

Hi I'm Josh. I run a 1 man cabinet business that puts about $80,000 a year in my pocket. Can I afford a russian wife with this money?

This is not only about money but about time too... Can you plan to spend around 3000$ every 2 months to go in Russia or other country during 10 days ?
When you will have met the good one, this is what you will want to do, staying far away is difficult.

Is the fact that I'm only 22 a good or a bad thing?

They will ask you why you are looking for a woman not in your country ...

How do all these 18-22 year old Russian girls have university degrees? Isn't that supposted to take 4 years minimum?

University degrees can be technic too. And most of them are in university at around 17-18 for 1st year.do the maths.

Is that fact that I've only completed trade school going to make it impossible for me to find a russian wife?

Why ?

Is it hard to conform to the customs of another county when you visit? Do people get offended easily if you do something wrong?

Absolutely no problem with custom

As you can see I'm  more the working class type of person. I make decent wage but nothing compared to all old guys on their who are loaded.
It seems like all the girls on Elanasmodels want an educated guy with a deskjob, is my observation right or wrong?

Be careful with EM, Girls here are overexposed and on 3 that a coworker contacted, there was 2 scammers. At your age, use local dating site . open a email on mail.ru, register on love.ru, etc. And learn basic russian.

Thanks, more dumb questions to come.

The only dumb questions are the one not asked.

[Rina_G]

i would like to talk about age. are so young men in West going to build family and looking for wife?
RW think that young man don't have serious plan for marriage - be ready to explane it.
Russian girl 18-22 studies in high scool and are very closed to her family.
maybe you won't hurry up?
but in the world everything is possible.
In any way - good luck and well come to forum

[NJ]

I agree with Rina.

I'm close to your age but when guys 20-24 contact me the first thing that comes to my mind is that they are not serious. So I advice you to put in your profile that you have serious intentions in meeting a woman and not "just looking".

I do wish you luck and I think that making 80K for a 22y.o. guy is awesome. If you will find a girl that will believe that you are ready to start a family and if it will be a smart girl I'm sure she will be impressed by what you have achieved at such a young age.

[GoodOlBoy]

Hello Josh and welcome to RWD.

For some of your questions, you may want to pay CLOSE attention to the advice given by the Russian ladies here on this forum.

Some of it runs VERY close to my very own experiences/conversations with my RW (go figure ).

Rina_G brings up 2 VERY good points in my opinion:

RW think that young man don't have serious plan for marriage - be ready to explane it.

I would say this is DEFINITELY true.

Sorry, But.....Young Russian ladies are going to instantly jump to the conclusion that you are a "player" looking for a good time because of your "tender" age (22).

Russian girl 18-22 studies in high scool and are very closed to her family.

This is also VERY true.

It will be MORE difficult for you to get a serious commitment from a young 18 year old "adolescent" Russian girl, to fall in love with you and leave her FAMILY and Motherland behind, than lets say a 28-30 year old mature RW.

Finally, GOB is not trying to throw water on your dreams.

On the contrary, I say go for it!

Just be "real" with yourself and more importantly be "real" with the young FSU ladies you are in contact with.

I am curious (if you don't mind me asking), how does your Mom and Dad feel about all of this?

Oh yeah, If you have not done so, PLEASE read and heed the RWD Ten Commandments:

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?pid=2


GOB

I make decent wage but nothing compared to all old guys on their who are loaded.

FWIW....Don't worry, most of us "old guys" here on RWD aren't as loaded with money as lets say Ambach123 or Donald Trump, BUT......We all manage to scrape through somehow each month (with our Russian wives by our sides). 

[Silver]

Looks like theirs loads of good advice on this website. Thanks for the replies everyone.

I am curious (if you don't mind me asking), how does your Mom and Dad feel about all of this?

 

My mom thinks it's impossible to fall inlove with someone over the internet. My dad thinks I'm a genius for thinking outside of the box.

Either way it doesn't matter what they think as I live 5  minutes from NYC and they live in Clearwater Floirda.

[Faux Pas]

Silver

If you are 22 and knocking down $80K (I assume thats net?) I expect your long term prospects for future earnings are excellent. You shouldn't have any problem affording this adventure with your current income. It doesn't take 6 figures but it helps. I'm sure there are many here that has found a wonderful woman, living and earning much less than do you.

A bigger question comes to mind: Why would a successful 22 year old young man "want" to look international for a mate? The world is still your oyster on the local dating scene. You're young virile with a successful business and loads of cash for a 22 year old. This is usually the best aphrodesiac for most of the local young ladies.

My mom thinks it's impossible to fall inlove with someone over the internet. My dad thinks I'm a genius for thinking outside of the box.

Your Mom is right.

Don't worry about your Technical degree. You're doing fine. Nobody can make you feel inferior anymore than you allow them. Universities aren't for everyone.

[GoodOlBoy]

Either way it doesn't matter what they think as I live 5  minutes from NYC and they live in Clearwater Floirda.

Sorry Silver, But....IMO it really does matter.

I understand that families can be both a blessing and a curse.

BUT...If you are thinking about ripping an 18 year old girl away from her family and transplanting her across the ocean and you have NO family nearby for her to interact with......

Well, let's just say it could be a disaster in the making.


GOB


BTW.....I thought since you were only 22 that Mom and Dad were probably nearby.

[GQBlues]

22 years old. Your hormones haven't even reached second gear yet let alone overdrive...but what the heck consider that a blessed compliment.

If your heart, mind, and hormones is set for a Russian woman than any other, might I suggest maybe dating the hundreds, maybe thousands of Russian women already living in the USA?

I just looked at this site and the age range you can set for yourself revealed more than just a few potentials...more if you're willing to cross statelines.

At the very least, you can get a much better perspective of wooing, possibly dating, a Russian woman who would likely be already adjusted to this society to some degree. Likely to speak English relatively well too. All without having to go through the rigors of travelling to FSU.

Of course the dating rules will NOT be the same and chances are you won't be seen as a rock star as you would likely be in FSU, but you can weight the options yourself.

Good luck.

[docetae]

BTW.....I thought since you were only 22 that Mom and Dad were probably nearby.

Age means nothing regarding parents. I left alone France to leave in Canada when I was 23, without knowing someone here.

[I/O]

Well well well, a young’un asking some intelligent questions. Black presidents, Wealthy China, joys, there will be unity on the  West bank soon………..the world, she is a changin’.

Hi I'm Josh. I run a 1 man cabinet business that puts about $80,000 a year in my pocket. Can I afford a russian wife with this money?

The Question will have more answers than one. IMO, if I am gauging you as something of a enterprising young “Tradie” then I think your conservative basic nature will see you careful enough to manage whatever your income is. This isn’t a cheap exercise but the bottom line will depend very much on the type of lady you end up with. FWIW, very good friends of ours in Russia have a wonderful marriage and happy children, he is a Tradie and she is an Academic. She lectures at Uni and he has a very “Smick” Auto Service business in partnership with his mate. They focus on top end cars. Benz, Lexus, BMW etc. It works for them there, so why not you on your patch? ‘Pends on your partner. Select carefully and slowly.

Is the fact that I'm only 22 a good or a bad thing?

It will have it’s limitations as did my being 39 when I met my now wife. Credibility will be the issue, mainly financial credibility. Actually showing up to meet someone and having the money to “hoe the row” will put paid to most concerns there. Further, you are looking perhaps in the 18 to 22 Y/O group and by nature they are the most flippant which adds another obstacle to the path. Difficult but doable.

How do all these 18-22 year old Russian girls have university degrees? Isn't that supposted to take 4 years minimum?

Often 5 years in Russia. Remember they generally start school @ 6, have 11 years of school and then go to Uni. 18 Y/O’s claiming Uni degrees are scammers. Bypass them very quickly. 22 Y/O’s are more likely. Do the maths and you have your answer.

Is that fact that I've only completed trade school going to make it impossible for me to find a russian wife?

No. More comments below.

Is it hard to conform to the customs of another county when you visit? Do people get offended easily if you do something wrong?

Yes and Yes. Doable but watch where you step and keep your mouth shut for a while.

As you can see I'm  more the working class type of person.

And………….what pray tell is there to be apologetic about that?

I make decent wage but nothing compared to all old guys on their who are loaded.

I assume you are talking about people on this board or men on Elena’s or other websites. 99% of what you see is BS. I have learnt over the past few years that although I am not rich (IMO) by any means, I could buy and sell half the pretenders on these sites in a heartbeat. Very few of these guys are independently well off. A few but not many.

It seems like all the girls on Elanasmodels want an educated guy with a deskjob, is my observation right or wrong?

I think for the most part you are right. My attitude was and is TFB..!! Join me or join someone else, your call lady.

Josh, nothing dumb in any of that. The big ticket you should consider very carefully is whether or not you have the time both now and later. Self employed often equals time poor. This is extremely time consuming at every stage, most of all shortly after a lady arrives in your country.

[JR]

Silver + NJ = Happy

Hey Silver, If you stay away from Gold Diggers 80k a year is more than enough.

[NJ]

Silver + NJ = Happy

Jolly baby don't be jalous

[neo]

Welcome,

European University degrees typically run from 18 - 21.

As has been pointed out the amount of money you make is not as important as your disposable income. if you earn 80K and live in NYC or L.A then obviously you would struggle to support yourself let alone your family, but if you live in a small town in the mid-west it might be enough to have a good life. so its how much you have left over.

Also savings are as much important, how much you have tucked away for a rainy day. this is an expensive business, even with no agency involvement a trip to Russia or Ukraine can hit you for the wrong side of $3K, if you go anywhere not in the big cities this can head up to $5K with little effort, I often considered how many times I could have spent 2 weeks in the maldives for the same time in a cold Ukraine coal town

By the time you have paid for translations, letters and other such things you can go through more than you would think. it all depends on how you go about things.

Regarding the age, my experience of having starting this at 21 is that almost no girl will take you seriously, you will actually have to work 3x harder to convince them that you are serious because just as there the 18-22 year olds who do want to get married look for men 30+ as they consider they have done all their "playing around" and are ready to commit, most 20 something men are just on one long chick-scoring spree and the girls know that so don't trust any man who says he has serious intentions.

at 35 i now get 10x the mail I got at 25.

The only good side to this, although I am not sure it is a goodside, if you are reasonable looking then you have a high chance to consisistantly score 9s and 10's wherever you go, when I first went almost all the "normal" agency girls wouldnt even meet with me due to age, the girls who were most interested were the "star girls", the ones usually considered "Pro-Daters" because they meet so many older guys and turn them down (i later found out the reality of this from my wife). if you are young and attractive and western you are likely to get serious interest from a lot of very pretty girls, the problem with that is that most of them have been spoiled rotten by strings of older men determined to woo them, and as a result because of your youth and lack of net worth you will struggle to keep them to the manner in which they have been accustomed, and therefore quarrels will ensue.

Because of your age i would suggest singles.ru is your best port of call, but you would be advised to get started on learning russian, in general non-agency girls who arent really looking for a foreign anything wont make any attempt to speak english with you. also drop the whole notion of marriage, at your age they expect you just to be boyfriend material/sex partner. I dont think any of them will take your marriage intentions seriously.

The best thing you can really do is hit up some contacts your own age, actually finding a russian/ukraine guy your own age as a friend on singles.ru is a good idea, then you have a wingman who can actually take you round the local haunts and introduce you to some local girls who probably arent on agencies - thats how I did better when I was much younger - i did the same thing for my ukraine buddy and sponsored his tourist visa so he could come and hit on some chicks in the west and we are still good friends to this day.

I would take things slow and enjoy the dating scene and get to know the culture and russian womens character before you get involved in anything, it took me about 7 years of a relationship with a UW to get inside how she thinks, and i still am not entirely sure i got it nailed so its a long learning curve.

[Shadow]

Looks like theirs loads of good advice on this website. Thanks for the replies everyone.

My mom thinks it's impossible to fall inlove with someone over the internet. My dad thinks I'm a genius for thinking outside of the box.

Either way it doesn't matter what they think as I live 5  minutes from NYC and they live in Clearwater Floirda.

To find someone over the internet that you have a connection with is possible. To fall in love you need to spend face to face time.

In any canse the important thing for you is : do not rush.

[Aloe]

Hi I'm Josh. I run a 1 man cabinet business that puts about $80,000 a year in my pocket. Can I afford a russian wife with this money?

Is the fact that I'm only 22 a good or a bad thing?

How do all these 18-22 year old Russian girls have university degrees? Isn't that supposted to take 4 years minimum?

Is that fact that I've only completed trade school going to make it impossible for me to find a russian wife?

Is it hard to conform to the customs of another county when you visit? Do people get offended easily if you do something wrong?

As you can see I'm  more the working class type of person. I make decent wage but nothing compared to all old guys on their who are loaded.
It seems like all the girls on Elanasmodels want an educated guy with a deskjob, is my observation right or wrong?

Thanks, more dumb questions to come.

Hi I'm Josh. I run a 1 man cabinet business that puts about $80,000 a year in my pocket. Can I afford a russian wife with this money?
Your questions are unclear. Specify what you mean by "afford a russian wife"? If you mean, can you afford to make several trips to get to know each other and then to bring her over, then somebody already gave you figures for the trips, so do the math, as we dont know how much unspent money you have in the end of the month.

Is the fact that I'm only 22 a good or a bad thing?
Tha fact that you are 22 is not very good for finding a wife; i never bothered to reply to guys under 26, cuz i thought they are not serious about marriage, and they havent got "sleep with as many chicks as i can" thing out of their systems, hence are more prone to cheating in case they get married. Little did i know, my hubby was 25 when we first met and i just fell in love, altho up until like middle of our first real life meeting i did not take him seriously at all.

How do all these 18-22 year old Russian girls have university degrees? Isn't that supposted to take 4 years minimum?
You can finish school at 14 in Russia, if you go to special "externat" school, that way you finish 2-3 years worth of regular school in just 1 year. It is possible to finish 2 years at once in regular school too, i came up to my schools principal with that question once, she said i can go without problems from 8th grade to 10th grade if i pass the exams that all the 9th graders are taking in the beginning of the summer. So it is possible for someone 18 years of age to have a university degree. However vast majority of people go to regular school with a regular program, that lasts 10 years, so they graduate at 16-17. Most university programs last 5 years, but they are changing it to 4 years for bachelor+2 optional years for masters degree now, so you can see many university graduates who studied only for 4 years in the future. But not so many now.

Is that fact that I've only completed trade school going to make it impossible for me to find a russian wife?
I dont know what trade school is, what is it? Majority of russians have a university degree, it is looked down upon if you dont, but some girls understand that university degree does not equal intelligence, i think if you write a good profile that shows you as an intelligent person, you will be fine.

Is it hard to conform to the customs of another county when you visit? Do people get offended easily if you do something wrong?
Depends on you and you only, how flexible are you? Russia doesnt have strict customs like muslim countries for example. I had a muslim friend online, who doesnt do as his religion tells him (no drinking, and dressing wife in overalls) yet he once told me that if he saw a person he knows, naked in a public place, he would kill them and then kill himself, thats just beyong my understanding, you will not encounter that kind of radical attitudes in Russia if you stay away from heavily muslim republics. Chances to get killed if you say something wrong are extremely low You will offend people if you critisize their country for example, but thats in any country. But in FSU nobody will kill you for that

As you can see I'm  more the working class type of person. I make decent wage but nothing compared to all old guys on their who are loaded.
Very few guys who look for a wife abroad are loaded. Most of them are average earning, and from my experience, 80k a year is more than most of the guys in this pursuit make. But again, it comes down to how much unspent money you have at the end of the day, maybe you have loans eating up 99 percent of your wage, then yeah, big trouble. My husband was unemployed with 0 income, when we first met, he had just finished studying, didnt stop me from falling in love with him

[Aloe]

if you are very good looking with athletic body, that is a huge plus though, i think much of my falling in love with my hubby had to do with his great looks. I was tired of all the older guys with their bellies and saggy asses hahaha.

[Aloe]

forgot to say, if by "afford a russian wife" you meant if a russian wife is high maintenance once you start living together, then every girl is individual.. there.. im gone back to cooking

[mies]

Hi, Josh and welcome
few questions back to you

why do you want a wife?
when do you want a wife?
why do you want a russian wife?
given that you want wife, and you want this future wife to be russian - why don't you look for russian college, au-pair or work-study J1 girls locally?

They will be close to your age, already there for you and for dating, interested in staying in the country, you can marry sooner, and no need in lengthy K1 visa application process and multiple trips to Russia.

If you want to travel to Russia to find a wife -there are many different ways and reasons to travel, finding a wife isn't the most fun or best one of them.

[elliott]

why do you want a russian wife?

I can answer that for him:  'cause they're the hottest women in the whole world.  :heartafire:

Josh, you said you're five minutes from NYC.  Get on singles.ru and do a search for women in NYC.  I did a quick one for NYC and pulled up 997 profiles.  Start hanging out with russian girls (and guys if you want?) here in the states.  Take russian language lessons, and have your newly-found russian friends help you with what you learn in your lessons.  I think you should spend some time getting your russian language skills up to par and learning about Russian culture, then take a trip over there.

[Silver]

Hi, Josh and welcome
few questions back to you

why do you want a wife?
when do you want a wife?
why do you want a russian wife?
given that you want wife, and you want this future wife to be russian - why don't you look for russian college, au-pair or work-study J1 girls locally?

They will be close to your age, already there for you and for dating, interested in staying in the country, you can marry sooner, and no need in lengthy K1 visa application process and multiple trips to Russia.

If you want to travel to Russia to find a wife -there are many different ways and reasons to travel, finding a wife isn't the most fun or best one of them.

1. I want a wife beceause I want to start a family.
2. Now
3. I've known I was going to get a Russian wife since I was 16. It always looked like the most logical way to go. They have old fashioned values for one thing. Another thing is after living so close to NYC I've noticed that the super hot girls here (which there are a ton of) seem to KNOW they're hot and have that attitude about them if ya know what I mean. Russian girls are a bit more down to earth. Also Russian girls are more marriage minded.

On another note, I may start hanging out in little Ukraine (A part of NYC very close to me that is loaded with Ukrainian immigrants) so I can get the feel of what FSU culture is like. Maybe I'll even find a wife there....doubt it though. Never occured to me untill now that I could look for FSU immigrants in the states.

[Faux Pas]

I was tired of all the older guys with their bellies and saggy asses hahaha.

Heyyyyy, I resemble that remark 

[JR]

if you are very good looking with athletic body, that is a huge plus though, i think much of my falling in love with my hubby had to do with his great looks. I was tired of all the older guys with their bellies and saggy asses hahaha.

Weren't you complaining about your hubbies butt in another thread?