Age Disparity: Once more into the breach :)

[TwoBitBandit]

My intention is still to do exactly that for a two year stint sometime in the near future, i.e., if I can find a way/contact to circumvent the newly enforced 90 in 180 day rule.  That kinda threw a damper on the resident thingie for those not already there.

If I am not mistaken you can "circumvent" this pretty easily, you just have to get a visa.  US citizens can still get a visa and in fact are required to if they plan on staying in Ukraine longer than 90 days.  I currently have a 5 yr multi entry visa.

http://www.ukrainesf.com/

Presumably, Dave is referring to the new requirement on Russian visas, not Ukrainian visas.  A couple of years ago, you could get a one-year Russian business visa and stay in Russia for a whole year.  They changed the way those visas work now, so a "one-year" business visa only allows you to stay 90 days out of any 180-day period.

[BrightDawn]

No, Ukraine now has a similar restriction, 90 days in any 180 day period. For Belarus it is 90 days within a 1 year window.

[TwoBitBandit]

No, Ukraine now has a similar restriction, 90 days in any 180 day period. For Belarus it is 90 days within a 1 year window.

Now I'm super confused.

I believe that:

1.  To go to Russia without a visa is impossible.
2.  To go to Russia with a multi-entry visa, you can stay for 90 days out of every 180.

3.  To go to Ukraine without a visa is possible, you can stay for 90 out of every 180 days.
4.  To go to Ukraine with a multi-entry visa you can stay for your entire visa term.

5.  To go to Belarus without a visa is impossible. (although I've heard stories that there is some kind of process to get it at the airport on landing by pre-arrangement)
6.  To go to Belarus with a multi-entry visa I have no idea now long can you stay.  You say it is 90 days in any one-year period?  I confess I've never heard of that limit, but I'm far from the expert.

Bright, are you saying that I"m wrong about #4?  It's not clear whether your comment applies to the "without visa" or "with multiple-entry visa" case.

I think that philb missed the point: in Russia, you can't say more than 90-days even with a multiple-entry one-year visa.  In Ukraine, there is a 90-day limit, but it only applies to people that do not have a visa.  With a multiple-entry visa you can stay for the duration of the visa.  (unless things have changed...)

I'm sure that now that I've stuck my neck out someone is going to set me straight.  I've only been in Russia for the past few years, and that's the only country whose visa requirements I understand well.

[chivo]

Now I'm super confused.

I believe that:

1.  To go to Russia without a visa is impossible.
2.  To go to Russia with a multi-entry visa, you can stay for 90 days out of every 180.

I think that philb missed the point: in Russia, you can't say more than 90-days even with a multiple-entry one-year visa.  In Ukraine, there is a 90-day limit, but it only applies to people that do not have a visa.  With a multiple-entry visa you can stay for the duration of the visa.  (unless things have changed...)

I'm sure that now that I've stuck my neck out someone is going to set me straight.  I've only been in Russia for the past few years, and that's the only country whose visa requirements I understand well.

Not to set you straight, but there are ways around most things in Russia. This would include the business visa's 90 day in, 90 day out policy. IOW , loopholes exist - at least as of this moment.

I can tell anyone how, but I won't do it on this forum. It's not as hard or shady as you might expect either.

There are ways to circumvent them. However you would need connections.
Without that, it will be hard.

Exactly, but you won't need serious connections. Usually it's a matter of just talking to ex pats who are doing it  .

Just to throw something out there; contrary to popular belief, a younger woman will make an older man feel older not younger.

I usually stay out of the age gap threads, or at least try to, but I don't completely agree with this. Yes, most "older" men are tired old farts. And if we speak in generalities, then Ok. But, like all questions concerning age, it still comes down to knowing yourself and the woman you're dealing with.

Most younger RW I know work all day, have busy schedules, and are not out jumping out of planes regularly, shopping until they drop, or partying every night. Most just go home and take care of themselves (resting), or families. Most of them like to party on occasion, but after 24 or 25, that scene has most likely run its course. Most I know would rather lay on a beach somewhere given any kind of choice. Who can't handle that?

Having been in my fair share of these types of relationships, keeping up with them is no problem at all if you keep up with yourself. Meaning staying fit, getting proper rest, keeping things in moderation.

A 50 yr old man with a 20yr old women isn't going to work. But a 45yr old man with a 28-32 yr old women is hardly out of the question. And a 50yr old man with a 30yr old women isn't either, but you will have to;

1) be interesting to be with and talk to, i.e. intelligent, have a certain level of charisma, and have a good sense of humor.
2) yes be in relatively good shape, not a couch potato, and somewhat attractive
3) be at least semi successful, IOW be stable financially enough to support them.

Finally, yes this subject has been beaten to death. I'm all for letting the chips fall where they may. Anyone who gets involved with an age gap relationship "should" know the score. If he doesn't, that's his problem. Enough of the hand holding or justifications, you're suppose to be a man, and a man has to deal with the consequences...one way or the other.

chivo

[BrightDawn]

Sorry for the confusion TBB,

Yes, If you have a visa for Ukraine you can stay for the duration of the visa. I was referring to visiting without a visa in the case of Ukraine.

Re 5. You can get a visa at the airport in Minsk, but the fee is double.
Re 6. Yes you can get a visa that is valid for 1 year, but only may be in the country for 90 days in that 1 year period.

[Ade]

I usually stay out of the age gap threads, or at least try to, but I don't completely agree with this. Yes, most "older" men are tired old farts. And if we speak in generalities, then Ok. But, like all questions concerning age, it still comes down to knowing yourself and the woman you're dealing with.

Most younger RW I know work all day, have busy schedules, and are not out jumping out of planes regularly, shopping until they drop, or partying every night. Most just go home and take care of themselves (resting), or families. Most of them like to party on occasion, but after 24 or 25, that scene has most likely run its course. Most I know would rather lay on a beach somewhere given any kind of choice. Who can't handle that?

Having been in my fair share of these types of relationships, keeping up with them is no problem at all if you keep up with yourself. Meaning staying fit, getting proper rest, keeping things in moderation.

A 50 yr old man with a 20yr old women isn't going to work. But a 45yr old man with a 28-32 yr old women is hardly out of the question. And a 50yr old man with a 30yr old women isn't either, but you will have to;

1) be interesting to be with and talk to, i.e. intelligent, have a certain level of charisma, and have a good sense of humor.
2) yes be in relatively good shape, not a couch potato, and somewhat attractive
3) be at least semi successful, IOW be stable financially enough to support them.

Finally, yes this subject has been beaten to death. I'm all for letting the chips fall where they may. Anyone who gets involved with an age gap relationship "should" know the score. If he doesn't, that's his problem. Enough of the hand holding or justifications, you're suppose to be a man, and a man has to deal with the consequences...one way or the other.

chivo

As I said in a later post, the physical side of things is just one part of it; when there is a generation gap between a couple there will undoubtedly be major disconnects in expectations and when communicating.

And btw, even keeping fit won't help too much when you're 55+ as nature will take a toll on a man's libido no matter how many weights he lifts.

[neo]

As I have oft said, you cannot draw any conclusions on what is either socially acceptable or the "norm" for FSU women vs american women based on agency experiences, from my experience the women at marriage agencys specifically looking for a western man do not represent a cross section of FSU women or their motivations, in general women at these agencies are drawn to this quest by a common set of motivations to leave their country, have a better economic situation and a view towards a more "stable" life - what there interpretation of stable is, well that is a entirely different question.

I decided to run a mini trial - RLM vs singles.ru vs match.com - RLM as your typical all you can eat smorgasbord of FSU women vs the singles.ru free for all of desperates, sex addicts, hookahs and singles.

In one week of RLM i got around 35-50 emails a day, of women from 18 - 44, of all levels of attractiveness, some letters were sincere, others were downright bizarre (SPANK ME! SPANK ME! SPANK ME!) and others were just to tedious to read, these responses came simply for me logging on-line and doing nothing - in terms of women i then wrote to I got around a 90 percent response rate.

compared to the same week in singles.ru with the same profile and photos. I wrote to a total of 38 women. 1 responded to tell me she would only date a guy who earned over 150K a year, all the women i wrote to were 24-35

I got 8 unsolicited mails, all from women who i would judge to be a 1/10, a 2/10 and a generous 2.1/10. all were divorced/seperated and had kids. the youngest was 32, the oldest was 46.

for match.com i got 1 unsolicted mail from a woman so fat you would need a crane to get her into bed and who had 4 kids, she was 47. of the 4 women i wrote ( i could only find 4 that would warrant even a 5/10) i got zero responses.

No i consider myself not unattractive, im 35. no kids. i usually dont have a problem getting casual dates with around 6/10's and 7/10's of 27-35, yet here we have the clear level of disaprity between the girls looking for a foreign man, vs domestic vs our own country.

It became clear to me why we do what we do, its just EASIER and we get a BETTER RESULT.

irrespective of all the other considerations, western women are too damn spoilt by mens attentions, even women who dress like slobs, do no exercise, eat badly, behave badly and dont commit to relationships get enough action from desperate men to be picky.

In russia, of the women who don't want to leave, there are plenty of men prepared to "service their needs", for whatever reason they dont want to leave so bowing to a WM's ideals arent what they are into and therefore they put zero effort in.

the agency girls, and girls signed up with east meets west type agencies are the ones who have it all to do, simply because the pool of "acceptable" men vs timewasters, keyboard romeos, sex tourists, freaks, perverts is so much lower of which a handful will make the journey, then in order to achieve success they have to compromise much more than any woman would given an alternative.

So it comes back to motivation.

Women specifically seeking out a western husband are much more motivated, that motivation may be financial, it may be desperation, it may be loneliness, many other reasons, but unlike "casual" daters they are motivated to get their game on, and are more prepared to take a pragmatic decision on age, looks, location and other such situations to get a result. how successful this works out for them depends entirely one what compromise they made and their ability to live with the consequences in the mid to long term.

For men, well we aren't getting the pick of the cookie barrel. how ever much we think AWEB et al is loaded with hotties, these girls are all madeup, photoshopped etc to look like 8's when they are 5's. and the real 10's - well they don't need this gig at all to come to the west or otherwise.

We shouldn't kid ourselves too much, if theres at most 1.4m active women looking for partners from the FSU thats less than what? 1 percent of the female population, of those maybe 10 percent would ACTUALLY take a big age gap? thats less than 0.1 percent of the population.

All things considered this is the most over-hyped problem in the whole process, but it gets so much attention simple because you NOTICE them - the old guys are the most motivated to head over multiple trips to find a young hottie, whereas younger guys either never get mentioned, dont warrant any special attention or aren't putting the legwork in.

I would say the old man/young girl debate simply gets so many forum inches because it is the biggest problem men could face, and the ramifications of it are much bigger than any of the other cultural considerations/issues - but is it really a big problem? i dont think so, because it probably affects in reality a much smaller proportion of men who would go, meet someone then actually marry them than we would think - because we generally hear mostly about the bad situations and not the good ones.

[Daveman]

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I would say the old man/young girl debate simply gets so many forum inches because it is the biggest problem men could face, and the ramifications of it are much bigger than any of the other cultural considerations/issues - but is it really a big problem? i dont think so, because it probably affects in reality a much smaller proportion of men who would go, meet someone then actually marry them than we would think - because we generally hear mostly about the bad situations and not the good ones.

Pretty good post Neo.  Certainly I agree with the last statement, but I wonder how many long term, good stories there really are in the cross cultural age gap situations?

How many ladies are actually attracted to the older man/father figure?
How many old foreign guys are seeking?
Of those, how many actually take the time to learn about each other beyond the security/body situation?
How many carry self destructive emotional baggage which hasn't yet healed?
How many actually fit together in ways which are important for long term love/growth/whatever?
How many actually LAUGH together on a daily basis through a common sense of humor?

Maybe there really aren't that many "good" stories by a percentage comparison...

Age gap relations tend to have a significantly higher level of compromise in various choices or natural attraction related elements.  Compromise is like a band-aid or relationship duct tape... the more you have to use, the less solidified you are together -- being taped together with "agreements" rather than the  bond of snapping together like two puzzle pieces and adhered further with natural love.

[SteveOR]

The much older men that I ran into during my travels who where hunting for a much younger woman we nearly always wanting the children they never had before in their life.

I'm glad to hear that I'm not alone in my reasons for seeking someone younger.  I unfortunately and foolishly wasted too many good years on an angry woman and am now trying to catch up.  Fortunately we never married.  At 47, I'd still like to have children (yeah I know "no fool like an old fool") but the chances of finding an AW in her child bearing years of 35 or younger that would give me a second look is remote so I've expanded my search overseas.

One of the things that would be helpful to us newbies in these discussions of age differences is what the age difference is between the WM who post here is and their wives, fiance's, girl friends, etc.  I've seen these threads many times (i.e. "Once more into the breach") but the easy facts of people's ages are almost always missing.  The real ages of the real people involved might answer these age difference questions easily and factually and give the rest of us some good guidelines to work from.  What do you think?

Step right up, big boy, how much you willing to gamble?

OK, Ken, I'll bite.  How about:  All in, in the dark and at risk.  Is there any other option? 

. . .

[chivo]

As I said in a later post, the physical side of things is just one part of it; when there is a generation gap between a couple there will undoubtedly be major disconnects in expectations and when communicating.

Again, not completely buying it. If you're telling me I'm going to have a major disconnect based solely on age, and that somehow I will connect better with a 40yr old as opposed to a 28yr if I'm 45, well that's just bunk. It depends on many factors. I have too much experience with both age groups and all in between to know that's it's just not the case.

There's going to be major disconnects in the beginning because of language and culture to begin with at first, regardless of age.

And btw, even keeping fit won't help too much when you're 55+ as nature will take a toll on a man's libido no matter how many weights he lifts.

So when you're 55 and your wife is 42, will you stop having sex? Come on. You can still have quality sex as you age. I hope I'm not bursting your bubble when I tell you the sex will not be as frequent in year 10 as it is in year 1.

It's also an absolute fact that weight training increases the levels of testosterone, and that men who keep fit this way have better blood flow and sex lives as they age. Not to mention that they usually look good because of it also.

So we're not confused here, I'm not talking about 50yd olds with 20yr olds. The guy who is 51 who's looking to hook up with a RW who is 21 with a kid is a disaster waiting to happen. That's not what I'm talking about at all.

chivo

[remiel6]

Thought your post Neo was very well thought out. I think it certainly bears to keep in mind that the women interested in dating AM and moving overseas are probably not the normal FSUW anyway. I never did the singles. ru thing so I found your analysis interesting. Again, I think in some small way everyone is a little right here. If a girl made a compromise in choosing a male partner perhaps older than she really wanted, she might not even be aware of the "mistake" for quite a while. This goes along with what others have said that as time goes by the age difference might become more noticeable not less. I have asked my mother on this, seeing as she married an older man, and she said that at times (near retirement age) it becomes really noticeable because you have one retired spouse and one non retired spouse, but they have been married for 40 years and in their case the good things outweighed the bad. We all make compromises I suppose. The operative question might be can you live with the compromises you make.

[KenC]

I'm glad to hear that I'm not alone in my reasons for seeking someone younger.  I unfortunately and foolishly wasted too many good years on an angry woman and am now trying to catch up.  Fortunately we never married.  At 47, I'd still like to have children (yeah I know "no fool like an old fool") but the chances of finding an AW in her child bearing years of 35 or younger that would give me a second look is remote so I've expanded my search overseas.

One of the things that would be helpful to us newbies in these discussions of age differences is what the age difference is between the WM who post here is and their wives, fiance's, girl friends, etc.  I've seen these threads many times (i.e. "Once more into the breach") but the easy facts of people's ages are almost always missing.  The real ages of the real people involved might answer these age difference questions easily and factually and give the rest of us some good guidelines to work from.  What do you think?

OK, Ken, I'll bite.  How about:  All in, in the dark and at risk.  Is there any other option?  

. . .

Steve,
The one thing I have noticed in reviewing some current profiles listed is there is quite a few fsuw 35+ that would entertain having a child or another child.  Are you prepared to marry a woman with child?  BTW, if you are thinking 35+. I don't see a major age difference problem.  I think 10 or 12 years dif is about average here.

It is my opinion that the age difference is important but not as important as life stages.  Marrying a much younger woman with no real life experiences (a marriage, a child) is much riskier than one without.  I would think that a woman that has been married before would "know the drill" and be more appreciative of a good husband.  Having the responsibility of raising a child would no doubt add to their maturity too.  At least that is my new theory.  

Best of luck to you.
KenC
(57 here, ex is 32 now, married for 10 years)

[Misha]

One of the things that would be helpful to us newbies in these discussions of age differences is what the age difference is between the WM who post here is and their wives, fiance's, girl friends, etc. 

I am 40, my wife is 30 and we have been together for a bit over 3 years now.

[BC]

I'm glad to hear that I'm not alone in my reasons for seeking someone younger.  I unfortunately and foolishly wasted too many good years on an angry woman and am now trying to catch up.  Fortunately we never married.  At 47, I'd still like to have children (yeah I know "no fool like an old fool") but the chances of finding an AW in her child bearing years of 35 or younger that would give me a second look is remote so I've expanded my search overseas.

Think once, think twice, think a thousand times, from a child's point of view.

You'll likely be over 50 by the time a child is born.

That's cutting it awful 'thin'.

[Ade]

Again, not completely buying it. If you're telling me I'm going to have a major disconnect based solely on age, and that somehow I will connect better with a 40yr old as opposed to a 28yr if I'm 45, well that's just bunk. It depends on many factors. I have too much experience with both age groups and all in between to know that's it's just not the case.

There's going to be major disconnects in the beginning because of language and culture to begin with at first, regardless of age.

Okay, don't buy. But I'd like to ask if you've lived with a woman for any length of time that's 15 or more years younger than you?

So when you're 55 and your wife is 42, will you stop having sex? Come on. You can still have quality sex as you age.

I never said any different and I know (not to blow my own horn or anything) that I will be having quality sex for quite some time thank you very much but I also know that Joe average has a hard enough time satisfying a woman their own age let alone someone 20 years their junior. Now, you may not "buy" that either but just take a good read of some of the research out there.

I hope I'm not bursting your bubble when I tell you the sex will not be as frequent in year 10 as it is in year 1.

Speak for yourself but in my first 10 year marriage sex just got better and was just as frequent. Of course, when I'm 54 I'll probably slow down a little.

It's also an absolute fact that weight training increases the levels of testosterone, and that men who keep fit this way have better blood flow and sex lives as they age. Not to mention that they usually look good because of it also.

 

So we're not confused here, I'm not talking about 50yd olds with 20yr olds. The guy who is 51 who's looking to hook up with a RW who is 21 with a kid is a disaster waiting to happen. That's not what I'm talking about at all.

chivo

And also to make things clear; I'm not saying that large age gap relationships can't work but I see so much BS and pipe-dream rationalisation around the subject that I think most guys have no clue what it's like to live with someone that could, theoretically, be their daughters age.

The real ages of the real people involved might answer these age difference questions easily and factually and give the rest of us some good guidelines to work from.  What do you think?

44 and my wife is 31. We were married just a month ago after knowing each other 18 months, with 6 months of face-to-face time.

[chivo]

Okay, don't buy. But I'd like to ask if you've lived with a woman for any length of time that's 15 or more years younger than you?

I never said any different and I know (not to blow my own horn or anything) that I will be having quality sex for quite some time thank you very much but I also know that Joe average has a hard enough time satisfying a woman their own age let alone someone 20 years their junior. Now, you may not "buy" that either but just take a good read of some of the research out there.

Speak for yourself but in my first 10 year marriage sex just got better and was just as frequent. Of course, when I'm 54 I'll probably slow down a little.

 

And also to make things clear; I'm not saying that large age gap relationships can't work but I see so much BS and pipe-dream rationalisation around the subject that I think most guys have no clue what it's like to live with someone that could, theoretically, be their daughters age.

44 and my wife is 31. We were married just a month ago after knowing each other 18 months, with 6 months of face-to-face time.

I just spent over 30 minutes answering this, only to watch it be deleted for some reason. I give up, for tonight at least.

[Dave13]

My beautiful wife Anna is 35, I'm 52 we celebrated five years of marriage this July! 

Dave

[aventino68]

Having done a couple of years dating of the big age gap ( 15 years +) I think the worrying thing is that just when you get to the stage of your life when you actually want companionship, ie in your 60s, she is just into her 40's and is good to go. So she probably will. And as for the sex side of things, we are talking women who expect you to perform at least 2 or 3 times a day. So for all the BS on this board I actually found that, while in my early 40's, it was hard work keeping up.

You can mask over all the wonderful reasons for marrying someone a generation younger but be prepared to be single again and poorer (emotionally and financially) for it in later life. If you have the money and the fortitude then go for it.

   

[remiel6]

congrats Dave 

[Dave13]

Thanks Remie16!

[chivo]

Okay, don't buy. But I'd like to ask if you've lived with a woman for any length of time that's 15 or more years younger than you?

OK, I'm going to try this one more time, since my last 2 posts were deleted as I started to post them.

Jaded, I don't know how many of my posts you have read, but I don't post unless I have experience or very strong evidence to back up what i say.

I haven't been in a relationship with anyone over 28 since 1998 and I'm a few years older than you. Each and everytime the woman wanted to marry. I pulled the plug for one reason or another. The only exception is my current lady who is 14 yrs younger than me, and we've been together for the last 3 years.

I never said any different and I know (not to blow my own horn or anything) that I will be having quality sex for quite some time thank you very much but I also know that Joe average has a hard enough time satisfying a woman their own age let alone someone 20 years their junior. Now, you may not "buy" that either but just take a good read of some of the research out there.

Maybe we're saying the same thing here. Joe average doesn't belong with women 20 years his junior. If you read my last post, i said an older man needs to be intelligent, very interesting and entertaining, and in very good physical condition. Hardly average.

I think we'd both agree that the average man at 40+ doesn't look at himself as average, especially with some economically challenged 21 yr old stroking his ego.

Speak for yourself but in my first 10 year marriage sex just got better and was just as frequent. Of course, when I'm 54 I'll probably slow down a little.

Maybe  , but I think quality outweighs quantity in the long run anyway.

Well, roll your eyes on that comment if you want, but one of the reasons I can get and keep younger women is the fact that I've been in a very extensive training and diet program for the last 30 years.

Now it's my turn to blow my horn. I don't just have a body that most, if not all 45 yr old men would kill for, I have one that most 25 yr olds would too. You see, and all the haters can hate if you must, my problem isn't getting and keeping a younger women. My problem is choosing which one to keep. My sex life is pretty consistant to what it was 20 years ago physically. Matter of fact it's better simply because I'm older and I'm more comfortable with and knowledgable about women than I was when I was 25.

It would be silly of me to discount that training as a big part of why I can hang physically with a younger woman. My current lady can hardly keep up with me as it is  .

Now, I will say that I do have a distinct advantage over any man who doesn't live in the FSU simply because I'm here. Meaning that by living here, I can have an even younger lady than if I lived in America and tried to bring one back. I have many more options regarding the women and a normal relationship environment to work with.

If I had to quantify it, I would say if you live here you can be with women 10 years younger on average than the same women you'd date in your own country. This is not to say that you should purposely try to date younger women, because it always comes down to compatibility, regardless of age.

And also to make things clear; I'm not saying that large age gap relationships can't work but I see so much BS and pipe-dream rationalisation around the subject that I think most guys have no clue what it's like to live with someone that could, theoretically, be their daughters age.

Couldn't agree more.

I'm 44 and my wife is 31. We were married just a month ago after knowing each other 18 months, with 6 months of face-to-face time.

Congratulations BTW and good luck in the future.

chivo

[ML]

And as for the sex side of things, we are talking women who expect you to perform at least 2 or 3 times a day.

Only about 1 in 20 women, maybe even only 1 in 100 women would be wanting you to 'perform at least 2 or 3 times a day.'

And, a man has a lot of ways he can 'perform' if he is willing to do so.

[bigdeg]

 I don't want to hijack this thread, just put my newbie two bhat wort in. I am 39, and it may be easier to believe (from what I have read at RWD) if I say that I am the definition of ugly. I weight 500lbs and haven't seen my d#$% in 10 years. Though, I must have a different take on this.
 The first or second time I meet a women from (insert country here) I admit that the 1 to 10 scoring system comes into play. After a while though it changes. I will call it an A,B,C,D,F system. Dependant on a hundred factors including how she treats me, how we relate, her intelligence, etc.
 Though I do get a kick out of "walking through the door with a 9 on my arm."

[apple47]

I've seen these threads many times (i.e. "Once more into the breach") but the easy facts of people's ages are almost always missing.  The real ages of the real people involved might answer these age difference questions easily and factually and give the rest of us some good guidelines to work from.  What do you think?

                      I'm 57,my wife is 48.  we met online at the ages of 50 and 41. My step-daughters were 9 and 11 when we met ,they will be 16 and 18 before years end.
                     Our actual age difference is 8 years 8 months.  10 years was my max,but 5 years was my preferred difference.   The Chinese Zodiac is responsible for the age difference we have.


                                                                      ...Larry

                                                                    

[Daveman]

I don't want to hijack this thread, just put my newbie two bhat wort in. I am 39, and it may be easier to believe (from what I have read at RWD) if I say that I am the definition of ugly. I weight 500lbs and haven't seen my d#$% in 10 years. Though, I must have a different take on this.
 The first or second time I meet a women from (insert country here) I admit that the 1 to 10 scoring system comes into play. After a while though it changes. I will call it an A,B,C,D,F system. Dependant on a hundred factors including how she treats me, how we relate, her intelligence, etc.
 Though I do get a kick out of "walking through the door with a 9 on my arm."

Okay.. and what's the age disparity of your 9 on your arm?  Or did you mean a tattoo?