Meeting with a Pro-Dater. My Story.

[Sculpto]

How would I be hurting other men more than her?

Because she is in a position to respond to any accusations you make and make you look like a loser fool and representative of the kinds of men that visit.

Who do you think they will believe?

Just let it go and quit wasting your energy.  I have been on the same path as you and I was angry too, but, best medicine was getting right back on the horse.  There are LOTS of good women.. just be more careful and smarter.

[Miss FSU]

Handycam72, there are lots of people, even on this forum who are married FSU ladies, me to by the way. You'd better comunicate with them, not with those loosers who visit same gal(interpriter and driver ) 4 times a year.
Thanks for pointing me those 3 tipes of men, but to be honest Ive never seen normal men who would agree to communicate with a gal through interpriter, some of them just tried it once(1 date I mean) and realised that there couldnt be any mental connection.

By the way I always loved those conversation of the middle aged men about interest in the inner world of the 20 yo non-english speaking kids As an interpriter i used to hear enough of them Interesting fact- they were all blondies

She(or her interpriter) messed with the names just ten times. Thats change the situation, they seemed really loved you(all 3 of them )

Its great that you started to understand ukrainian mentality that well and realise that women here are not looking for savers anymore. Hence- there is no sence for then to look for a man out of their league. You are critizising those type 2 guys and see yourself in the 3rd group, but why the hell you thought that its possible 4 you to date 19 yo gal then? :oNow you should concentrate on some other quolities of women, not just sexiuality and attractiveness if you wanna get somwone. concentrate on english-speaking ones, by the way under 30 gals who don't speal english at all- is nonsence here usually they know at least some basics.

Do you really think you've done something good by posting her everywhere? Now those guys who were visiting her realised they were scammed, that made them feel unhappy. Why do you think you have right to steal a dream from them? May be that was their last chance to feel themselves as men?
This girl's place will take some another, probably more professional girl, The girl herself will probably be scared for a while, but after reform her ways and will be more careful in choosing buisness partners. No one will feel happier, the world won't become any kinder

The only issiue is-you'll satisfy your abused ego...thats the only real point you post her

[I/O]

Its great that you started to understand ukrainian mentality that well and realise that women here are not looking for savers anymore. Hence- there is no sence for then to look for a man out of their league. You are critizising those type 2 guys and see yourself in the 3rd group, but why the hell you thought that its possible 4 you to date 19 yo gal then? :oNow you should concentrate on some other quolities of women, not just sexiuality and attractiveness if you wanna get somwone. concentrate on english-speaking ones, by the way under 30 gals who don't speal english at all- is nonsence here usually they know at least some basics.

This is worth breaking down into single points.

1)

Its great that you started to understand ukrainian mentality that well and realise that women here are not looking for savers anymore.

How many times have we told them this?

2)

Hence- there is no sence for then to look for a man out of their league.

So they want a match? How surprising, have we not be saying this also?

3)

You are critizising those type 2 guys and see yourself in the 3rd group, but why the hell you thought that its possible 4 you to date 19 yo gal then?

But, he looks so young?

4)

Now you should concentrate on some other quolities of women, not just sexiuality and attractiveness if you wanna get somwone.

Simple constructive advice.

5)

concentrate on english-speaking ones, by the way under 30 gals who don't speal english at all- is nonsence here usually they know at least some basics.

Yeah, we know that!! But.........many will tell you there are more choices if you look to those who can't speak English.

 

[Handycam72]

MissFSU judging from your posts so far it seems you are a great supporter of scammers and everything to do with Pro-Daters.

In fact I wonder why you have actually joined this site in the first place. It appears you only have an interest in this topic and are very defensive with regard to the girl and girls like her. Could it be you have a vested interest in these scams?

[valence]

HandyCam, you spent a year in correspondence with a girl roughly half your age in a locale 10+ time zones away who needs a translator in order to communicate with you.  Then you seem to be indifferent to her appearance with the claim that she's only about a 5, and that you unable or unwilling to pull an American girl of the same ilk. 

So you had an adventure in the Ukraine and got burned.  Now you have sought  vengence by engaging in a type of 'dirty laundry/skeletons in the closet' correspondence with her academy. 

[Handycam72]

HandyCam, you spent a year in correspondence with a girl roughly half your age in a locale 10+ time zones away who needs a translator in order to communicate with you.  Then you seem to be indifferent to her appearance with the claim that she's only about a 5, and that you unable or unwilling to pull an American girl of the same ilk.  

So you had an adventure in the Ukraine and got burned.  Now you have sought  vengence by engaging in a type of 'dirty laundry/skeletons in the closet' correspondence with her academy.  

What is the obsession with thinking everyone is American on this site,? Can someone answer that one?
The fact is Ukraine is no more than a 4 hour flight for me, St.Petersburg, Russia about 3 and half hour flight. Going to FSU is no big deal
If you bothered to read my post you should realise by now I DO NOT COME FROM AMERICA, I AM NOT AMERICAN 

Also I have no problem meeting people in my own country. Yes I was in correspondance for a year, in fact it was just abit of fun to begin with, then I decided what the hell, why not go there and see what happens. I got burnt, big deal. Now I write my report to warn others of what can happen and learn from it. Also make the girl aware that people have knowledge of what she does. But its seems there is a small group of people on this site who seem deeply offended that I have done this and prefer to go on a flaming mission and calling my report an ego mission, my question to you is why are you so offended by my report and actions?

So its nice to know MissFSU that you are a supporter of scams and scammers, what a wonderful human being you must be.

[Miss FSU]

Handycam72  don't report me plese, I haven't scammed you yet, ok?  

Of course I am interested in prodating as most of the girls who use interpriters are prodaters, no- prodaters- no jobs for interpriters, simply as that

[Miss FSU]

Handycam72, I don't know how to put it nicely, but don't support all those kinds of reports fom both women and men's side. There is a great women's forum- antidate where they also have blacklist of the grooms.(writers, sex-tourists, african scammers etc) Those looks to me as rediculous as your report.  He f....ed me and left, what a crime!

While I was searching I used a bit different tacktic then you, I didn't get scammed and then post every scammer or italian sex tourist who "wanted to bed", I simply avoided them. It's totally their business what do they want from life and how do they earn for life, I have no idea what is life in Nigeria or how long those Fabrizzo didnt have sex in Milano...  I simply didn't want to have anything in common with this circus, and I didn't.

But you seems to have intension to save the world now by posting details of that gal everywhere in the internet. If you think that you are Messija of dating, may be you should post your full name, photo, adress and other details as well? The world should know its heros who care about its safety so much. I am sure, you'll get so much respect from your collegues, so many women will want to date you after they know what a brave you are!

[Stirlitz]

Of course I am interested in prodating as most of the girls who use interpriters are prodaters, no- prodaters- no jobs for interpriters, simply as that

In my experience it is different.

[dogspot]

I DO NOT COME FROM AMERICA, I AM NOT AMERICAN  

Also I have no problem meeting people in my own country.

What country do you come from/live in?

In your very detailed opening post you outline costs converted to USD $. You also fail to tell the reader where you are visiting from. Based on this, one can assume that you are indeed an American.

[Handycam72]

What country do you come from/live in?

In your very detailed opening post you outline costs converted to USD $. You also fail to tell the reader where you are visiting from. Based on this, one can assume that you are indeed an American.

I am from the UK Your right dogspot, I guess I should of wrote that bit in, but hey I am sure I can be forgiven that little detail

I used USD $ as this is the recognised international trade currency  

[tim 360]

Handycam72, I don't know how to put it nicely, but don't support all those kinds of reports fom both women and men's side. There is a great women's forum- antidate where they also have blacklist of the grooms.(writers, sex-tourists, african scammers etc) Those looks to me as rediculous as your report.  He f....ed me and left, what a crime!

While I was searching I used a bit different tacktic then you, I didn't get scammed and then post every scammer or italian sex tourist who "wanted to bed", I simply avoided them. It's totally their business what do they want from life and how do they earn for life, I have no idea what is life in Nigeria or how long those Fabrizzo didnt have sex in Milano...  I simply didn't want to have anything in common with this circus, and I didn't.

But you seems to have intension to save the world now by posting details of that gal everywhere in the internet. If you think that you are Messija of dating, may be you should post your full name, photo, adress and other details as well? The world should know its heros who care about its safety so much. I am sure, you'll get so much respect from your collegues, so many women will want to date you after they know what a brave you are!

Welcome Ms FSU.  You are like a breath of fresh air on this nit-wit thread.

HandyCam2:  Give it up and get over it and just admit to yourself you screwed-up big time--coulda been worse.  In truth, you simply scammed yourself.  You do yourself no good publishing your silly "scammer reports" all over the internet.  Admit to yourself that you were/are a sucker and get on with your life.  After all it was you who became infatuated with an 18 year old.  Were you really thinking she was going to possibly be your bride or something?  How old are you again?  Pal you simply scammed yourself.  Get mad at yourself and put the blame where it belongs...on yourself.  Oh and quit throwin' your money around like a drunken sailor over there.

[Gator]

I have no idea what is life in Nigeria or how long those Fabrizzo didnt have sex in Milano...  

Fabrizzo!   Sandro, this woman is disclosing your surname to the public.   

[Gator]

MissFSU ....Could it be you have a vested interest in these scams?

Of course I am interested in prodating as most of the girls who use interpriters are prodaters, no- prodaters- no jobs for interpriters, simply as that

Now I think you are pulling our leg.  The possibility of prodaters should not create a need for terps.   How would we know that the terps are not in cahoots with the prodaters? 

I would think we need a terp because we do not speak Russian and the woman does not speak English.

[Gator]

Handycam,

You have written an excellent accounting of your encounter with a prodater.  I particularly like your dispassionate analysis. 

In contrast to your heretofore dispassionate approach, starting a campaign seems as if you are seeking some degree of revenge.  Is that your goal, or are you trying to do a service?  If the latter, I say excellent.  However, if you feel the need for revenge, I say it is better that you turn your energy towards more positive aspects of life.

You certainly have more grounds for revenge than our recent Dutch poster.  Nevertheless, I don’t know how it helps.  Perhaps if I were in your shoes I would sing a different tune.  Just remember that you did most of this to yourself – the signs were clear and numerous.

[Handycam72]

tim360 and all those who find this thread beneath them. (The Smug Group)

I am so sorry to have created a thread that is pointless and of no help to anyone. It is just an exercise of self indulgence on my part. I am humbled to be in the presence of such exellence, such as yourself and your associates who it seems are so perfect in everyway that you must be of supreme intellect and find topics such as this, beneath you. I am sorry to have wasted your time with my stupidity. You are correct I should retreat into my small hole as I am not worthy of such an endeavour as this. How dare I make a response to comments made, I should of just started this "nit-wit" thread and walked away. I dream of one day being as great as you and having your wisdom, and I hope I will become that smug, all knowing, god like person, who will one day be good enough for you and your associates, I could even make comments without actually reading the thread and absorbing what is said, but reading is just far too tiresome, its for the little people 

Gator

It is good to read your posts, as you offer your advice and opinion without the need to appear insulting or over bearing, maybe you should teach the The Smug Group how to do it.

In answer to your comment about revenge, It would be a lie if I said the thoughts never entered my head, of course they did, and maybe some of my actions were more about revenge than I realised at the time, anger can be a powerful emotion, but that is not the reason for righting this report. I wanted people to be aware of what can happen, learn from my mistakes. I am not on some crusade as MissFSU might think. As I have said already many times, I am a guy who made lots of mistakes through my own ignorance, and hopefully others will learn from that.

To Others with regard to "admit you screwed up" yes I made mistakes as I have said many times already, if you bothered to read. 

[KenC]

tim360 and all those who find this thread beneath them. (The Smug Group)

I am so sorry to have created a thread that is pointless and of no help to anyone. It is just an exercise of self indulgence on my part. I am humbled to be in the presence of such exellence, such as yourself and your associates who it seems are so perfect in everyway that you must be of supreme intellect and find topics such as this, beneath you. I am sorry to have wasted your time with my stupidity. You are correct I should retreat into my small hole as I am not worthy of such an endeavour as this. How dare I make a response to comments made, I should of just started this "nit-wit" thread and walked away. I dream of one day being as great as you and having your wisdom, and I hope I will become that smug, all knowing, god like person, who will one day be good enough for you and your associates, I could even make comments without actually reading the thread and absorbing what is said, but reading is just far too tiresome, its for the little people 

Gator

It is good to read your posts, as you offer your advice and opinion without the need to appear insulting or over bearing, maybe you should teach the The Smug Group how to do it.

In answer to your comment about revenge, It would be a lie if I said the thoughts never entered my head, of course they did, and maybe some of my actions were more about revenge than I realised at the time, anger can be a powerful emotion, but that is not the reason for righting this report. I wanted people to be aware of what can happen, learn from my mistakes. I am not on some crusade as MissFSU might think. As I have said already many times, I am a guy who made lots of mistakes through my own ignorance, and hopefully others will learn from that.

To Others with regard to "admit you screwed up" yes I made mistakes as I have said many times already, if you bothered to read. 

Handycam,
Hold on Tiger!  You cannot expect reasonable people not to criticize your ultimate stupidity as you posted in this trip report. Can you?   Personally, I had the same thoughts as I had in watching "Jackass the Movie" in reading your report.  Not terribly sympathetic as all damage was self induced.  You should go on tour with Ken1958 as the two of you could blaze your way through Ukraine leaving your bank accounts in your wake.  Please read his "Nice American man" thread.  I nominate you as the second member of the RWD Hall of Shame and Stupidity Club.

The "value" of your experience to newbies is limited to those with an IQ level below a monkey.  What the hell were you thinking? (If anything?)  Are you THAT desperate for the attention of a young girl to make goo goo eyes at you?  Have you ever been married?  Have you ever dated?  Do you have one eye in the middle of your forehead or some other grotesque deformity?  Did you REALLY believe that you could just order up a 19 yo like fish and chips?  Seriously, what were your thoughts upon boarding the plane?  If you truly believed there was a possibility of establishing a relationship, why didn't you run after the first robbery er, um, date?  Why did you let yourself be abused for days?  At what point did you wake up and think, duh, this ain't what I had hoped for? :selfharm:
KenC
BTW, Miss FSU has probably seen it all as a terp, but doesn't mean she condoned the actions or didn't try to help some of the victims.

[tim 360]

Hardly being "smug" Handycam and your sarcasm is cute.  You complain about some 18 year old girl you go to see in the FSU and you lavish all those $$$ on her and somehow things didn't work out how you had hoped and all you can do is complain how this 18 year old scammed you.  Boo Hoo!  God man, grow up, you are 36 (you say) years old and you are miffed because some little FSU teenager scammed you.  You are the one running over to see her with high hopes of...?  Sounds more to me like you were throwing $$$ at her hoping for a more intimate result than what you got.  What were your expectations with this teenager?  A dinner date?  Marriage?  A meaningful conversation?  She must have been very mature.

Like most scams--you scammed yourself and you can't even admit that to yourself.  She didn't scam you---you did that yourself.  Revenge?   You need to whine about some how some 18 year old girl scammed you.  Pathetic.  Have some cheese with your whine.

[Gator]

Not terribly sympathetic as all damage was self induced. 

I did not read once where handycam wanted sympathy.  He has not shed one tear over the money spent.  Please show me where he whined (perhaps he did and I missed it).  How does his whine compare with the Dutch man (ol' what's his name) who recently started a malicious campign against one RW after boinking her in front of her son?  That was a whine.

You should go on tour with Ken1958 as the two of you could blaze your way through Ukraine leaving your bank accounts in your wake.  ... I nominate you as the second member of the RWD Hall of Shame and Stupidity Club.

KenC, there is a light year of difference between Handycam and Ken1958.   Upon returning home, Handycam knew he had been fleeced.  In contrast Ken1958 only had questions, hence the "Nice man" thread.

On second thought, there is a parsec of difference because Ken1958 inexplicably went back to give the prodater more expensive presents.

The "value" of your experience to newbies is limited to those with an IQ level below a monkey. 

Disagree.  Most men would spot the prodating on Day One?  Two?  Three?  So handycam did the whole week, and yes that puts him in the stupid category.   Handycam's story is a good one to help men spot prodating on the first day and not until the third day when they have wasted time and money.  Perhaps it will help them spot prodating in the correspondence phase.

As Miss FSU says, prodating takes many forms and this was one of the more obvious.  So call it Prodating Avoidance 101. 

[KenC]

I did not read once where handycam wanted sympathy.  He has not shed one tear over the money spent.  Please show me where he whined (perhaps he did and I missed it).  How does his whine compare with the Dutch man (ol' what's his name) who recently started a malicious campign against one RW after boinking her in front of her son?  That was a whine.

I did not accuse him of asking for sympathy or even whining even though his post is a bit whiny to me.  Just stated he didn't deserve sympathy IMO.  Ever hear the one that locks were made for honest people?  I think that is the case here.  This guy arrived in Ukraine with a post it note on his forehead with "VICTIM" written in it.

KenC, there is a light year of difference between Handycam and Ken1958.   Upon returning home, Handycam knew he had been fleeced.  In contrast Ken1958 only had questions, hence the "Nice man" thread.

  Really?  A light year?  I don't.  Two pathetically desperate men hoping to buy the attention of women too young for them?  Only Ken1958 had deeper pockets and got more action.

On second thought, there is a parsec of difference because Ken1958 inexplicably went back to give the prodater more expensive presents.

(Had to look up "parsec") (3.25 light years) :brightidea:  Again,  disagree.  Handyscam, er, um, HandyCam's scammer was just a lower rent one than Ken's.  Didn't "give" as much and settled for a lot less.  Not that she didn't try.  Just Ken's pockets were a lot deeper.
 

Most men would spot the prodating on Day One?  Two?  Three?  So handycam did the whole week, and yes that puts him in the stupid category.   Handycam's story is a good one to help men spot prodating on the first day and not until the third day when they have wasted time and money.

 
BS, Gator, if a man couldn't spot this crap in about 5 mins, he ain't looking, or he is soooo damn desperate that he REFUSES to see it!  A normal guy most probably would have sorted this out prior to going in fact.  $2,500 plus travel expenses and a weeks vacation for "goo goo eyes?"  Come on, the dude's 36 not 12.

Perhaps it will help them spot prodating in the correspondence phase.

As Miss FSU says, prodating takes many forms and this was one of the more obvious.  So call it Prodating Avoidance 101. 

  A guy would have to be living under a rock without any contact to the outside world NOT to see this one coming.  Or institutionalized so as not to physically do harm to himself.  Prodating?  The damn girl was not good enough to be a "pro" anything.  As for "prodating avoidance 101", BS, more like do not put your hand into a fire! HOT HOT.
KenC

[Gator]

Only Ken1958 had deeper pockets and got more action.

Neither man got any action.  They did not even make it to first base. 

HandyCam's scammer was just a lower rent one than Ken's.  Didn't "give" as much and settled for a lot less.  Not that she didn't try.  Just Ken's pockets were a lot deeper.

Perhaps as part of this analysis Handycam should compare on a relative basis his prodater with Ken1958's prodater.  Until then, you and I will have to disagree.   
   

BS, Gator, if a man couldn't spot this crap in about 5 mins, he ain't looking, or he is soooo damn desperate that he REFUSES to see it!
 

 

I don't think it is explained by desperation as much as by erectile tissue.      

KenC, please try to view this from a newbie's perspective.  Although I am sure that is in your mind, your 10 years of marriage to a RW plus having written 10,000 posts places you at the pinnacle of experience.  Plus you have a lot of street smarts.  I don’t think you comprehend the mentality of the newbie.   

A normal guy most probably would have sorted this out prior to going in fact.

I never dropped a woman off of my “A” list because of prodating symptoms.  Who knows what magical sweet words she spoke to handycam?  I perhaps would have fallen prey.  Then again I did the controversial WMVM trip, and I don’t think a prodater had a chance compared to the genuine sweetness of good-hearted RW.  Sneaked that one in for you – another reason to go WMVM.

[KenC]

Then again I did the controversial WMVM trip, and I don’t think a prodater had a chance compared to the genuine sweetness of good-hearted RW.  Sneaked that one in for you – another reason to go WMVM.

Now Gator, Don't get me started!  You know how I get!
KenC
(BTW, rootin for your Bucs, so my sad Lions get a better pick next year!  Pretty bad when the draft is the highlight of the season!)

[JR]

Continuing to bag on this guy leads nowhere. He made a mistake, fessed up to it like a man and told us about it here. Personally I would have put the brakes on at the very beginning of the first day so I think he was a bit naive. He states he was thinking with the little brain. What man on this forum can state truthfully they have never done that?

So what if this story has been told here before and handycam isn't the first person to run afoul of this sort of woman? Hear a story once and you'll likely forget most of it. Hear it a dozen times and some of it will stick. So the more these stories are told the fewer will be the numbers of men who get sucked into one themselves in the future.

Gator is spot on when he states there is no crying or whining going on here. Handycam's story is related for others to learn from. He relates it in a very vivid manner which will stick in peoples minds. That makes it a tale worth reading.

Thx again for posting it HandyCam.

[Gator]

So the more these stories are told the fewer will be the numbers of men who get sucked in in future.

If so, stop telling these stories!!!

[JR]

If so, stop telling these stories!!!

Hmm, I see your logic Gator. If everyone wised up this board would close down and we would have to find something else to do cuz they would be no more trainwrecks to gawk at