western men of above average income??

[Blues Fairy]

I thought her sarcastic response was perfectly appropriate given that guys had already insulted her and labelled her a gold digger. 

And I thought some resentment was appropriate in response to a peremptory statement that 50K is not enough to support a family, period.  Without even entertaining a possibility of the wife working as well. 

[GQBlues]

My disagreement with what you said GQ is first the statement that expenses would double for two.   Housing is a big cost of living expense and it won't usually double although there could be some RW who are not happy with the way the guy lives and in those cases it could double so you are not entirely wrong.  

TG, I did try to briefly explain the point on my last post to you. Yes, 'fixed' expense would hardly change like housing, utilities, etc...though even that still remains slightly subjective. Put in whatever comfortable range cost you believe it should average out to...

'Personal' expense is what I was referring to. How much do most US married folks, on average, estimated it cost them additionally the first 1-2 years in these marriages (what we read on this and other boards?) 15- 20K? Now add this sum to YOUR own personal costs (implied 100% add by me - 15/20K), the number is in the range of 20-40K/year for both of you.

Now add all the 'fixed' and personal' expenses and deduct it from 50K.

I'm sure many have done it, will do it, can do it in the US. But likely many, like myself, would rather not do this simply because of economics. Just like what (maybe) Brave Girl is saying from her end. It isn't a question of right or wrong - it is merely a personal choice.

Sorry GQ, but when it comes time to discuss a subject, a couple of guys married to a RW would have a little more experience about what expenses are or are not involved than someone in the looking stage.

  Just too lazy to update my bio, TG.

Off Topic: That daily BigMac attack grab bag line was not really true, is it?  

[Makkin]

AJ,


  Yea and don't forget there are a lot of great American women who would appreciate a good man who makes 50,000 per year.


   Sometimes we may forget that it's much easier to communicate with an American woman and in many cases an average man here in usa is gonna find a ton of women interested if your a good person along with the 50,000.


   Hmmm....Well why are we so interested in fsu women when there are plenty of great American ladies here?...lol.


Makkin

[SMS60]

Who is the member making over $500,000?

[Gator]

...you can live in poverty and be very happy especially if you are with someone you love. I know, as that's the kind of environment I grew up in.

If a woman can be poor and happy, she has plenty of struggling RM to choose from for a husband.  There is no need to leave home. 

I am with Groovlstk and Jooky on this one.   

My experience is that most RW are first attracted to the man’s looks, personality, intellect, and age.  Once she meets a special man who has these qualities, she evaluates his generosity and his ability to provide for her adequately, especially for the first few years of her adjustment.   This comes as part of building a loving relationship.

RW have trouble grasping the concepts of income and spending in America.  And they hear stories of RW marrying men who lied and could not provide for them.   That is where her love and trust enter the equation. 

[Misha]

My experience is that most RW are first attracted to the man’s looks, personality, intellect, and age. 

Some of us have all four of the above even if we are not Russian 

[BC]

All I can say is that our disposable income is disposed of by the end of the month..

The more, the merrier.

And that's all I have to say about that.

[Turboguy]

GQ,   If people have lots of money that is great but my point is just that there are lots of people who do just fine looking for a RW on less money.   Your personal expenses are $ 15,000 - 20,000?   Darn,  Mine are under $ 1000.00

 

Some of us have all four of the above even if we are not Russian 

And some like me don't have any of them.   

[Jumper]

If a woman can be poor and happy, she has plenty of struggling RM to choose from for a husband.  There is no need to leave home. 

I am with Groovlstk and Jooky on this one.   

My experience is that most RW are first attracted to the man’s looks, personality, intellect, and age.  Once she meets a special man who has these qualities, she evaluates his generosity and his ability to provide for her adequately, especially for the first few years of her adjustment.   This comes as part of building a loving relationship.

RW have trouble grasping the concepts of income and spending in America.  And they hear stories of RW marrying men who lied and could not provide for them.   That is where her love and trust enter the equation. 

Gator-
you know in essence i agree, as i've walked the walk.
it is a pill most men swallow easily,its part of most any family dynamic regardless of country.
(and i've always hoped you would  adopt me anyway!     )

Heck, I spoiled my wife honestly,and enjoyed doing so.. !!   .,. and she would certainly agree , and  tell you so!!
(she has your typical luxury car, fur, big rocks, designer bags,shoes, glasses, clothes.. et al)
and unlike some examples i see, appreciated everything, was always thankful and yes helped
work towards those things as well,and we did support her family in the FSU as well.


but I don't mind playing devils advocate!!!!!!!!

The shifting sand in your post is in bold? If a woman can be poor and happy

in that light-
wouldn't we need to actually define *poor* in relation to the life she'd have in the typical *struggling* FSU family,
in relation to the established western average and lifestyle in "surbubia USA" (or euroland).

this isnt some question of yes indeed it is very nice to have more?
or money can buy you happiness?
of course it is, and of course it eases lifes burdens and who wouldn't look for that as well?

With this dynamic, maybe AW should be the ones in this endeavior? as i'm left wondering how many average income RM would turn down the oppurtunity, if a AW ,that they were interested in,and with a reasonable income ,and average western life , wanted to marry them.


 Sorry still playing devils advocate-
of course there are these forum *stories*,
 and probably some situations have occured,.
but do you really believe any RW married a WM ,
 relocated here and was with  aman that could not provide lifes basics?
 and better than they were provided in her past life?
This may have been a far cry from what she expected? but likely was not a step down from her past experiences.
Unable to "provide" for her is very relative as well?


In my experience with local RW/AM couples,,
most are above average, to well above it.
most are adjusted and "happy",
but certainly several i know,  would tell you plainly their husband can't really provide
despite being quite decently provided for.  
 For sure it's a small sample group ,but the ones closer to average income, are the ones that seem more likely to be adjusted and content, and for some reason, i dont think this is an anomoly.

[Jumper]

All I can say is that our disposable income is disposed of by the end of the month..

The more, the merrier.

And that's all I have to say about that.

LOL! yes i agree this is the reality.

it sounds like a Forrest Gump quote

[Misha]

GQ,   If people have lots of money that is great but my point is just that there are lots of people who do just fine looking for a RW on less money.   Your personal expenses are $ 15,000 - 20,000?   Darn,  Mine are under $ 1000.00

I fall in the same camp as Turboguy. My biggest expense were the lawyer fees ($3,000) and the government fees ($1,500). Looking back, I should have done all the paperwork myself without the lawyer. Other than that, the only real other expense in the first two years was perhaps long distance phone calls which was between $20 and $40 a month.

And some like me don't have any of them.   

But, you do have a good sense of humor 

[JR]

Interesting how men with shallow pockets speak about BIG LOVE when topic is about finances??     brave girl

Shallow Pockets LOL! You know nothing about my current financial situation. However your shallow and empty soul is on display for the world to see.

[BC]

GQ,   If people have lots of money that is great but my point is just that there are lots of people who do just fine looking for a RW on less money.   Your personal expenses are $ 15,000 - 20,000?   Darn,  Mine are under $ 1000.00

Turbo,

Coming from someone who probably spent well over $100K just finding the woman he wanted to be with, it sounds like one of those 'either before or after, but in any case you gonna pay' kinda thing.

100K is still 100K..

[brave girl]

And I thought some resentment was appropriate in response to a peremptory statement that 50K is not enough to support a family, period.  Without even entertaining a possibility of the wife working as well. 

When touch land of milk and honey I work for first day??

Ask you what is man for??   brave girl

[GQBlues]

Your personal expenses are $ 15,000 - 20,000?   Darn,  Mine are under $ 1000.00

Per year?!? Clothing, food, car expense, entertainment, etc...?!? Dang! Wifey really have you on a budget, or is this a simple case of selective or quick reading?

Turbo,

Coming from someone who probably spent well over $100K just finding the woman he wanted to be with, it sounds like one of those 'either before or after, but in any case you gonna pay' kinda thing.

100K is still 100K..

Probably spent WELL OVER 100K? LOL. Holy smokes, who's stupid enough to do that?

[BC]

Per year?!? Clothing, food, car expense, entertainment, etc...?!? Dang! Wifey really have you on a budget, or is this a simple case of selective or quick reading? 

Hear ya Blues..

At current exchange rate that's about our food budget alone..  we do enjoy though.

[vwrw]

Ask you what is man for?? 

Well, since women often indicate in their profiles that they want a generous man and according to your definition, the women mean that they want emotional generosity and support, then it would be logical to infer that men are there for emotional generosity and support …. Or the denotation underlying the term -generous - is different. 

[BC]

Probably spent WELL OVER 100K? LOL. Holy smokes, who's stupid enough to do that?

GQ..

That's the amount TG openly admits to..  I think double hits the spot, not to forget the 10 or so years involved in his 'adventure'.  Figure that in and in terms of productivity (he is self employed) and we're probably in the range of a half million dollar wife.  Not saying VW is not worth it to TG, but reality is reality.

We've spent as much over the years (100K, not the half Mil) and a bit more.. but that was enjoying it all together in worthwhile ways.

Cost of finding my wife, or maybe better her finding me: $0.00

[BC]

Well, since women often indicate in their profiles that they want a generous man and according to your definition, the women mean that they want emotional generosity and support, then it would be logical to infer that men are there for emotional generosity and support …. Or the denotation underlying the term -generous - is different. 

VW,

Were you looking for a 'generous man' in your profile?, and if so in what context?

[BillyB]

When touch land of milk and honey I work for first day??

Well....your home isn't going to get clean by itself. Neither will your clothes.

Ask you what is man for??   brave girl

I thought you ladies liked sex as much as we did? I guess that makes us only as useful as an ATM machine.

[I/O]

Knights armour on (White that is). Devils (BG’s) advocate. Her underlying insinuation is correct. Most guys can’t afford this caper and get all panty bunched when put on the carpet regarding what they can actually offer financially. They’re happy to play smoke and mirrors hiding behind the perceived affluence of the west which may or may not be their reality.

Most girls don’t dream of living poor in some back block village. True or false? Absolutely true. Why is it so bad to state it openly? The message is, if you’re poor, find another hobby.

Knight amour off. BG: Clearly your grasp on either the language or the financial realities prevents you from articulating your argument effectively. I tend to think your language is adequate although as B/F points out, if you’re looking to catch a beau from the top end of town, you’d do well to tidy it up a little. The real deal seems to be your understanding of income vs expenditure vs asset base vs equity etc.

For a guy who is 40ish and face it, most in this caper are, the income level isn’t the issue, the asset base is. If he, as some of us are, is sitting on real assets of $2 or $3 or $4 million or more and little or no debt, his income at $50K / year is worth a lot more to you as his potential lovely than a guy on $100K / year with a debt level of $500K on an asset base of $750K.

You are quite right in one respect, “an empty barrel makes the loudest noise” and for sure, you’ll find more than enough “blowhards” in this caper who can’t back up the illusion they try to create. Nevertheless, some of your statements in this thread are somewhat over the edge, although I suspect you’ve achieved what you set out to and that is, yank the chain a little. BTW, I’m on significantly more than $50K / year. 

[BC]

BTW, I’m on significantly more than $50K / year. 

AUD?

-admittedly pokin at ya..

[I/O]

BC: At .92 - 1 (Live rate 9.55am local time) the difference is a round of drinks but for the record, USD. (Poke returned)

[Blues Fairy]

When touch land of milk and honey I work for first day??
Ask you what is man for?? 

What language are you speaking?  
Do you mean USA is land of milk and honey and therefore woman here should not have to work (from the first day)?

I doubt even a man making a meager 50K/year will make his immigrant wife work from the first day.  And he may not have any debt which this poor woman will have to pay; it's very possible.  Therefore, your panic is entirely unfounded - unless, of course, you're talking of someone in particular with whose shallow pockets you, or your friends, have had a particularly bad experience.  But when I asked you about it you never answered.  

[BC]

BC: At .92 - 1 (Live rate 9.55am local time) the difference is a round of drinks but for the record, USD. (Poke returned)

At 1.61 AUD/EUR seriously considering a visit but 20+ hours on a plane blows it..

Besides that AU accent is quite sexy too..  makes my knees weak..