western men of above average income??

[Jooky]

If Brave Girl had listed 'trailer trash' income as being $0 - $10,000 a year, would these arguments had even started?

With a tax break, more middle-class families could afford private schools and thus less kids would attend public schools thus reducing the need for public school funding.

Ok in theory, but not that simple in reality. Blues, I went to private schools my whole life. Comparing my private high school with the local public schools, I can't affirm that we had better facilities, programs or teachers, but at the end of four years, our students definitely scored better on standardized tests. I can think of a few reasons why:

Students that weren't up to par were kicked out. By senior year about a third of the class was gone.

Parents would pull out their kids and put them in public schools if they weren't performing. Why spend so much money without seeing results?

Private schools didn't have to follow public school rules, so they could provide more discipline.

The biggest reason: parents that send their kids to private schools put a stress on their kid's education in the home. The kids I grew up with mostly did not come from wealthy families. Many were actually at the poor end of the spectrum, but they did come from families that put an emphasis on education. Education starts in the home, and this in turn affects other kids study habits. If you grow up around a bunch of kids who do their homework after school and talk about the things you're learning, you're going to learn more than if you're around a bunch of kids that just screw off and watch TV at home.

The problem runs a lot deeper than private versus public schools.

[BillyB]

Most RW who's experienced both the FSU and the American education system says America's is worse. But why are we better off living here?

What America does have better than other countries is education at the University levels where the teachers are more deserving of the money they earn. We don't need the whole popluation to be brilliant. We need some to flips burgers and pick up the garbage. We have enough top notch education and an environment to put out the most inventors, innovators, millionaires, billionaires, and nobel peace prize winners.

[I/O]

it could be the fault of American feminists, which, I have learned since reading this forum, is the root cause of virtually every failure in US culture and society.

Funny, I've learned the same thing when previously I simply thought they were a bunch of brain dead bra burners. Clever little devils have infiltrated every part of society and politics it seems.

[Gylden]

Here is my 2 cents worth on this thread.
There are people in all walks of life with various salaries and such. Many worthy of love and respect regardless of just income levels. Also there are different approaches to finding a FSU woman, which vary in the demands for expenditures. I agree that one must work and live within their means, but I believe that the income requirement can vary greatly depending on the individual. Including area of residence.

[brave girl]

The sad part about this whole tax thing weighs heavy on my mind. What to do?

BIG MONEY more important than truck machines boat!
Understand now??

if she's marrying for love

Please silly man do not speak of LOVE with story about shallow pockets it is impossible!!

Also to men who speak of work in foreign country for Russian girl.
Man comes to Russia and marrys nice Russian girl can he work first day for family??
I say NO it is IMPOSSIBLE!!
Foreign man come to Russia his complete life and NEVER find work.
So because of it no money throw away man?? Understand??    brave girl

[Daveman]

BIG MONEY more important than truck machines boat!
Understand now??

Please silly man do not speak of LOVE with story about shallow pockets it is impossible!!

Blah blah blah

[Daveman]

Here is my 2 cents worth on this thread.
There are people in all walks of life with various salaries and such. Many worthy of love and respect regardless of just income levels. Also there are different approaches to finding a FSU woman, which vary in the demands for expenditures. I agree that one must work and live within their means, but I believe that the income requirement can vary greatly depending on the individual. Including area of residence.

Agreed, and just for the record, I'm certainly not opposed to making money.  I rather enjoy it actually.  The difference as I see it is that there are some women who will bail at a financial downturn (which can and does happen from time to time) and others who will stick it out as a supportive partner.  It's an attitude about relationships that better be "equally yoked" as well otherwise it could be a rough ride.

[boaterguy]

BIG MONEY more important than truck machines boat!
Understand now??

   And just what do you think buys these truck machines boat and more importantly firma terra(house and land). With the value of the dollar in steep decline I think I would rather own hard assets!  :evil: Of course I also have a pot of gold buried in the backyard ya know!  :evil:

[Aloe]

 And just what do you think buys these truck machines boat and more importantly firma terra(house and land). With the value of the dollar in steep decline I think I would rather own hard assets!  :evil: Of course I also have a pot of gold buried in the backyard ya know!  :evil:

you dont understand. BIG MONEY means she can come over and spend it all herself. Home truck and boat means no spending money and no selling the dear darling boaty or truck so no money  Not to mention that whatever she buys with the BIG MONEY will be split in two, while homes trucks boats are all acquired before marriage

[Gylden]

Aloe,
Sounds like a plan!!   and you know what? it has been proved to work, because there is a sucker born every minute
I believe both man and woman wants to be successful and ideally should want each other to succeed as well in a marriage.
Nothing wrong to place importance on good financial abilities, just a bad idea to want to be a leach without the intention of contributing to the venture.

[Misha]

Please silly man do not speak of LOVE with story about shallow pockets it is impossible!!

If I understand correctly, a woman can only love a man if he has money? So I presume that if you husband's "deep pockets" become shallow that you will immediately stop loving him? That might explain the bitterness that I sense in your posts. In my experience, women who married "по расчёту" are never happy no matter how deep the pockets of their husbands may be and how much money he spends on her 

[boaterguy]

If I understand correctly, a woman can only love a man if he has money? So I presume that if you husband's "deep pockets" become shallow that you will immediately stop loving him? That might explain the bitterness that I sense in your posts. In my experience, women who married "по расчёту" are never happy no matter how deep the pockets of their husbands may be and how much money he spends on her 

But she is happy when she is away from her husband one upping all those she likes to call her friends! 

[boaterguy]

you dont understand. BIG MONEY means she can come over and spend it all herself. Home truck and boat means no spending money and no selling the dear darling boaty or truck so no money  Not to mention that whatever she buys with the BIG MONEY will be split in two, while homes trucks boats are all acquired before marriage

  I see you have a keen eye(actually mind) for seeing  :evil:

[brave girl]

Also to men who speak of work in foreign country for Russian girl.
Man comes to Russia and marrys nice Russian girl can he work first day for family??
I say NO it is IMPOSSIBLE!!
Foreign man come to Russia his complete life and NEVER find work.
So because of it no money throw away man?? Understand??    brave girl

Blah blah blah

Interesting no one brave American man come to Russia and work for family BUT nice Russian girl must work in USA to be suitable match??
What is this??   
I ask again what kind of MAN!!  brave girl

[BillyB]

Interesting no one brave American man come to Russia and work for family BUT nice Russian girl must work in USA to be suitable match??

I assume your husband works, you don't work and he supports you well. If you had to work, I don't think you would be married to him at this moment. What does your husband get out of this marriage/deal? What is it that he's getting from you as a wife in return of providing a good lifestyle for you? Why are you a superior woman/wife more than an American or RW who came to America and works and helps out the family in that way?

[GQBlues]

Interesting no one brave American man come to Russia and work for family BUT nice Russian girl must work in USA to be suitable match?? What is this??   I ask again what kind of MAN!! 

Sheeesshh!!! What, are you kidding me?

A whole bunch of American men go to Russia almost every month to work. They make dire sacrifices working as English teachers while giving up the comforts of home, those poor things.

If they're brave enough to do that just to get laid, one can only imagine to what ends they're willing to go and do to care for a family.

[Boethius]

I assume your husband works, you don't work and he supports you well. If you had to work, I don't think you would be married to him at this moment. What does your husband get out of this marriage/deal? What is it that he's getting from you as a wife in return of providing a good lifestyle for you? Why are you a superior woman/wife more than an American or RW who came to America and works and helps out the family in that way?

Youth, beauty, and culture that his physical appearance and station in life does not afford him at home.

Isn't that the trade off?

[Misha]

Interesting no one brave American man come to Russia and work for family BUT nice Russian girl must work in USA to be suitable match??

I personally had no objections to working in Russia. However, my profession in my wife's city would have paid ten times less than what I was earning in Canada  And, my wife working part-time in Canada earns more than twice what she was earning in Russia. Together, we earned enough to travel, buy what we want and enjoy our lives. More than we could have done in Russia together. So, I believe it was a decent deal for both of us 

[Daveman]

Interesting no one brave American man come to Russia and work for family BUT nice Russian girl must work in USA to be suitable match??
What is this??   
I ask again what kind of MAN!!  brave girl

Well, now that I can actually understand what you are getting at, I couldn't care less if my "partner" works at a job or not.  That would be her choice as to whether she wishes to pursue a career or take care of the home. The one thing she will not do is *nothing*.

[BillyB]

Youth, beauty, and culture that his physical appearance and station in life does not afford him at home.

Isn't that the trade off?

If you ever dated a shallow biatch, those characteristics are appealing for about couple of minutes. If the sex is great, they are appealing for a couple of hours. If beauty and youth is a woman's answer, I wouldn't blame her man if he exchanges her when she gets old for a younger model.

 I'd like to hear Brave Girl's answer why her husband is thrilled with her and what she provides to the marriage to keep it strong and healthy. Her youth and beauty will not last forever.

[Blues Fairy]

I'd like to hear Brave Girl's answer why her husband is thrilled with her and what she provides to the marriage to keep it strong and healthy. Her youth and beauty will not last forever.

Youth, beauty, and culture

 

[Boethius]

It was sarcasm, Billy.

I believe brave girl is a satirist.  She is the mirror image of every male poster here who posts about wanting to hit slim nubile flesh.

[BillyB]

She is the mirror image of every male poster here who posts about wanting to hit slim nubile flesh.

I rarely see a guy posting that's only what he's looking for or posting something such as "a woman is only good for sex". You have to go to sex forums to read those kind of shallow statements from men.

There's nothing wrong with searching for a person you're initally attracted to. When two people are physically attracted to each other, the physical part of their relationship is a whole lot better when they enjoy each other. Anybody against that?

[Boethius]

Search "AW" on this forum and you will see the correlation.

[I/O]

nice Russian girl

This description keeps surfacing. A rare animal no?