Cheaper Meat????

[RussianWind]

But please refrain from making judgments about me based upon your own personal criteria and a lack of knowledge of who I am and what I am about.

Why? I personally don't mind if somebody calls me a sex tourist here  

[JR]

Why? I personally don't mind if somebody calls me a sex tourist here  

I'll tour sex with you anytime

[GQBlues]

P.S. My advice - don't take JR's posts too seriousely, you always forget that he is kinda joking  

I figured much...there's a higher rate of probability Hillary Clinton also had an affair with Tiger Woods than JollyRat being serious at any given time.. 

[Mars]

Why? I personally don't mind if somebody calls me a sex tourist here  

Yes, but unfortunately for you and the pleasure you may derive from it, the term is never applied to women.  :-))

[RussianWind]

I'll tour sex with you anytime

Yes but I am not hunting neither in Tashkent nor in Donetsk 

[Mars]

Mars: Bad day or natural bad attitude? Get over yourself dude. 

I/O:  Bad day or natural bad attitude?  Get over yourself dude.

Oh I forgot to ask.  Can I post such things to one of the Gods?
Or can they just be thrown at the underlings?

[I/O]

Can I post such things to one of the Gods? Or can they just be thrown at the underlings?

Do you have underlings? I didn't know. My bad.

[sunandsail]

Yes but I am not hunting neither in Tashkent nor in Donetsk 

RussianWind, do you deny having a relationship with Tiger Woods?

[RussianWind]

RussianWind, do you deny having a relationship with Tiger Woods?

I don't. But who is Tiger Woods?

 

[GQBlues]

RussianWind, do you deny having a relationship with Tiger Woods?

There's a good chance TW had more extra marital affairs than he has PGA victories however I don't believe his stinger 3-wood have the distance to reach Moscow.

[GQBlues]

I don't. But who is Tiger Woods?

 

Uh-huh That's what Rachel Uchitel initially claimed.

[JR]

I figured much...there's a higher rate of probability Hillary Clinton also had an affair with Tiger Woods than JollyRat being serious at any given time.. 

[BillyB]

Which is more expensive, dating women or getting married to them? What if a guy does both? Now that could get expensive:

http://www.yardbarker.com/golf/article_external/Elin_Offered_5M_Now_80_Million_Later_To_Stay/1674830

RussianWind, Tiger Woods is arguably the most popular athlete in the World. If you did not spend so much time here flirting with us men, you would know that. He's a pro golfer. He's got more money and assets than Micheal Jordon estimated over a Billion $.

[RussianWind]

RussianWind, Tiger Woods is arguably the most popular athlete in the World. If you did not spend so much time here flirting with us men, you would know that. He's a pro golfer. He's got more money and assets than Micheal Jordon estimated over a Billion $.

Thank you. I tried to calculate how many coats he is able to buy and lost count. Maybe I just don't need so many coats...

[mies]

I could not understand what you tried to say by this post of yours.

that's ok, i try to be clear, but sometimes my posts are confusing.

Gator’s post did not imply or label the women who inadvertently got in arms of sex-tourist as hookers.

 I did not imply that either. And basically I reinstated what Gator said.

What he said is about the same as claiming that man can buy regular/"economy class" trip to FSU and have a decent woman meet him in the airport and stay with him whole week attending to every his wish, and demand nothing in return, just hoping that what they have been experiencing is a real, serious, and leading to long-term relationship. Since the man did not pay her money, this fact gives the man perception that he is liked for his identity, for who he is. And for the opportunity to experience the perception, he pays the airfare.  

yes - this is more or less what i said as well. There are men who are willing to pay for this experience. Without any further plans of getting married or anything like that.

namely,

Knowing that the local hooker is with him only because he paid her money is a turnoff.  He prefers the fantasy that the beautiful "8" or "9" woman is with him because he is a wonderful man, not because he paid her a few hundred dollars for a hour or so of sex.  

on the accounting books of the international dating the airfare is considered by majority of men a "cost of dating a RW" - and hence - they say RWs aren't cheap dates. And then compare RWs to "cheaper local girls" or "cheaper local hookers". While the airfare isn't really spent on a girl. Do you normally view cost of the new jacket, shoes and underwear you buy for yourself as money spent on dating a girl - just because you bought them to look good on a date?  

[Turboguy]

that's ok, i try to be clear, but sometimes my posts are confusing.
  I did not imply that either. And basically I reinstated what Gator said.
 yes - this is more or less what i said as well. There are men who are willing to pay for this experience. Without any further plans of getting married or anything like that.

Exactly!  Do that with a woman or women from the FSU and it is called Sex Tourism and you are an evil Sex Tourist!

Do the same thing with an AW and it is called dating and you are considered a stud.

[Turboguy]

Speaking of the value of getting married, dating and having hookers, the latest on Mrs. TW is their prenup is being renegotiated to give her an immediate 5 Mil and 75 Million is she stays married to him for 10 years.   Isn't that akin to prostitution?

Darn, RWD is a great learning tool.   Wish I had known about this Sex Tourism bit before I made so many trips to the FSU where I didn't get lucky.

[brave girl]

IMO to use the terminology of "meat" is disrespectful, though I realise it was most likely provoked by a woman poster.

 

Interesting
and terminology used here like bitch whore prostitute gold digger are not offensive in description of nice Russian girls ??  brave girl

[Turboguy]

Interesting
and terminology used here like bitch whore prostitute gold digger are not offensive in description of nice Russian girls ??  brave girl

Personally I don't recall ever seeing those terms used to describe a NICE Russian Girl.   RW are often the most amazing and wonderful women in the world but there are some who those words would be the most accurate to describe.

[vwrw]

that's ok, i try to be clear, but sometimes my posts are confusing.
  I did not imply that either. And basically I reinstated what Gator said.
 yes - this is more or less what i said as well. There are men who are willing to pay for this experience. Without any further plans of getting married or anything like that.

mies, I am glad you do not mind to provide clarifications because when it comes to your posts, I do care about comprehending you. I have noticed that when you have insufficient info about an issue, you attempt to imagine yourself in the shoes of the protagonist of the issue to gain completeness of the info before you reflect on the issue and make your conclusions. Did this communicative technique come naturally to you or did you consciously learn it to use?

What made me thinking that there is a discrepancy between what Gator said and how you rephrased his claim was the word - hooker. Regardless of the reality, it is crucially important for the sex-tourist (as well as for a sane guy in this pursuit) to perceive that the woman who meets him in the airport is at least a decent woman, but ideally she should be viewed (even if only by him) as a first class lady.  Should the sex-tourist, for whatever reason, perceive indications that the woman might be a hooker, this would be turnoff for him.  To put it shortly, from the sex-tourist perspective, he does not view the women as a hooker.

It is extremely difficult to say whether sex-tourist initially plans to marry the woman he meets or not. Generally, it is tough to imagine what is going on in heads of the people who encountered  the subject that triggers their irrational behavior. I think in this moment they stop thinking and start feeling.  I think a good analogy would be a woman buying her 586 pair of new shoes. She mentally knows she does not need new shoes, but when she sees them she stops thinking and starts feeling that she wants them. When her need of the shoes’ possession  is satisfied, she is likely to see the shoes in different light. I think something similar happens with the sex-tourist, he sees a woman that he perceives as first class lady he wants to be with her, maybe even marry her (the same as the woman buying her 586 pair of new shoes may justify her purchase by promising that these shoes she certainly will wear). However, lately when his desire of being liked is temporally satisfied, he finds that the women he met during his trip do not satisfy his 586th important criterion. Hence, the women’s affection is not guarantee that he would be liked by the one, his perfect woman. …………….he is chasing his delusions again.

[Blues Fairy]

I think something similar happens with the sex-tourist, he see a woman that he perceives as first class lady he wants to be with her, maybe even marry her (...) However, lately when his desire of being liked is temporally satisfied, he finds that the women he met during his trip do not satisfy his 586th important criterion. Hence, the women’s affection is not guarantee that he would be like by the one, his perfect woman. …………….he is chasing his delusions again.

You are describing a typical Don Juan who is honestly in love with every woman he's chasing. 

[Gylden]

Interesting
and terminology used here like bitch whore prostitute gold digger are not offensive in description of nice Russian girls ??  brave girl

BraveGirl,
IMO equally offensive and unnessasary.

[Gator]

Ok, well if you want to attribute something to me, then lets prove it.

The words quoted above are "there is no such thing as a sex tourist."

So point to where I said those words alone.  No, no . . . . not those words in conjunction with something else, or those words plus some other words.  Just those words alone.  That is what a real quote is about; not leaving out something, but a total and complete quote; and along with the context of the quote is generally what is fair.

Mars, please change your name to NITPICKER.

But in my view, there is no such thing as a sex tourist who has sex with a consenting adult in any country of the world. 

I was quoting 2012fiction and did not bother to return to your first post in this thread.  Yet, Mars, i don't see a difference. 

The qualifying phrase "...who has sex with a consenting adult in any country of the world" is redundant in the context of this discussion.  The redundancy is illustrated by substituting RW for "consenting adult" and Russia  for "any country of the world."

Please explain what I am missing.  Does anyone else see what I am missing?

[Gator]

You are describing a typical Don Juan who is honestly in love with every woman he's chasing. 

While we are picking nits in this thread, do you consider Don Juan a subcategory of Sex Tourism?

Or does the word "honestly" separate him from the pack because I think of sex tourism with marriage agency women as devious?

[BillyB]

Interesting
and terminology used here like bitch whore prostitute gold digger are not offensive in description of nice Russian girls

What terminology do you suggest for a women who sells her body for sex, women who only focuses on money, and the bad Russian girls? I have never complained when someone described a bad man, based on his actions, as a sex tourist.

Brave girl, I didn't see you defend Russian Girls when the first mention of "cheaper meat" was made by a Ukrainian man and posted by his American(I believe) wife who agreed with him. You actually agreed with it.  "Cheaper meat" defined as a RW who don't ask for $700 coats or expensive items on the first few dates. If anything, those women who do not ask for gifts or shopping sprees from their dates have more dignity which is worth a whole lot more than money.

Brave Girl, when you have the ability to defend against the the phrase "cheaper meat" when you first see it and on a consistant basis, then I will know that you truly care about Russian girls and the men who go see them. As it stands now, when a AW and a UM says it, no problem but when a AM says it, it's time to criticize. If anyone is still wondering because they did not read the other thread where "cheaper meat" was introduced, it was not JR or any Western man who first used the terminology when referring to actual NICE Russian girls.